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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2016 15:33:59 GMT
Tbh, its not really worth all the on screen discussion and over analysis. Quite obviously its nothing like Fatal Attraction, but then that comment was simply a lighter hearted element to a more serious post made and not meant to be taken literally and picked apart.
*Note to herself* Stick to making tea - only in dreams, though mind...
Now, now, I'm not having that. Sulk if you like. But your post which followed mine makes it very clear you wanted to make your point. Which is great. But posters will then respond. ??
I'm afraid I don't follow any of that
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Post by curiousgirl on Jun 20, 2016 15:44:11 GMT
Now, now, I'm not having that. Sulk if you like. But your post which followed mine makes it very clear you wanted to make your point. Which is great. But posters will then respond. ??
I'm afraid I don't follow any of that
I know. I'm very difficult to understand. I'm used to that.
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Post by Victor on Jun 20, 2016 15:58:09 GMT
Noted... and duly.... one keeps learning.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2016 17:33:38 GMT
Hi All, I have read all the posts and just think we are over thinking this whole 'Obsessive Fan' thing when it's all really quite simple IMHO.
People all have their own opinions and much in the same way the fan of whatever has an emotional tie to that whatever all very different levels I would say it's the same all across the wide spectrum of interests we all have. Also it's just that the emotion is higher in some fans than others also, some have difficulty with separating that idolising from reality. Some are just simply not bothered one way or the other what happens to who and when with a take it or leave whatever attitude to news.
The so called obsessive fan are exceptions to the normal fan base of whatever, it consumes their entire life morning noon and night this can as has happened have some tragic consequences. Generally though if handled correctly and treated with respect by whoever is the object off adulation then I would think most would be able to cope a lot better emotionally with whatever news.
I can see the point say for an instance:- When a fan becomes a pest when of whoever because that whoever cannot deal with that adulation themselves. If whoever had people who can aid him/her in letting down the obsessive down gently, almost as if dealing with a child emotionally ? then you wouldn't have so many news involving obsessive fans.
I really do think that while not warranted the attention famous people get do have some responsibility to the obsessive fan and should have contingencies in place to help deal with this problem, and not just sweep it under the carpet as whoever is a nut job. They should be helped not dismissed and accused of whatever. If you like maybe say it was in a way a mental illness that is linked to whoever their emotional attachment is focussed on. Maybe even go so far to suggest as a substitute for a traumatic whatever event early in their life ?
When all said and done at the end of the day they are fans just on another level that's all even if is over the top, to put it simply just more emotionally attached to the band than you or I.
Geoff.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2016 23:50:13 GMT
Taking into context the mental state of said fan, how they act towards Rick, and the fact they are allowed easy access to him it IS frightening. Though, only my opinion of course. So now we're back to that specific instance you alluded to earlier in the thread. I only picked up on that when freewilly made that clear. Okay now I understand. But the line I copied and pasted directly from your post, to which Catlady referred to as a good point, does not make that clear. It is a general point which could apply to any female fan who had a massive crush on Rick. Yes, that was sad and tragic but Rick was not in personal danger that I know of. But I accept that you find it frightening. CG, the "frightening" is in relation to the girl who has an obsession with Rick. Regarding the guy who killed himself, I mentioned that as an example of what can happen. OK, it's different circumstances, and Rick wasn't in any danger (probably because the couple involved were too infatuated with him to care about the consequences), but if this girl were to be encouraged (which is happening with the band allowing her access to Rick) only to be faced with the harsh reality (i.e. Rick isn't interested) then it is frightening what could happen, bearing in mind everything else.
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Post by freewilly on Jun 21, 2016 0:02:42 GMT
So now we're back to that specific instance you alluded to earlier in the thread. I only picked up on that when freewilly made that clear. Okay now I understand. But the line I copied and pasted directly from your post, to which Catlady referred to as a good point, does not make that clear. It is a general point which could apply to any female fan who had a massive crush on Rick. Yes, that was sad and tragic but Rick was not in personal danger that I know of. But I accept that you find it frightening. CG, the "frightening" is in relation to the girl who has an obsession with Rick. Regarding the guy who killed himself, I mentioned that as an example of what can happen. OK, it's different circumstances, and Rick wasn't in any danger (probably because the couple involved were too infatuated with him to care about the consequences), but if this girl were to be encouraged (which is happening with the band allowing her access to Rick) only to be faced with the harsh reality (i.e. Rick isn't interested) then it is frightening what could happen, bearing in mind everything else. Is she hot?
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Jun 21, 2016 1:13:50 GMT
So now we're back to that specific instance you alluded to earlier in the thread. I only picked up on that when freewilly made that clear. Okay now I understand. But the line I copied and pasted directly from your post, to which Catlady referred to as a good point, does not make that clear. It is a general point which could apply to any female fan who had a massive crush on Rick. Yes, that was sad and tragic but Rick was not in personal danger that I know of. But I accept that you find it frightening. CG, the "frightening" is in relation to the girl who has an obsession with Rick. Regarding the guy who killed himself, I mentioned that as an example of what can happen. OK, it's different circumstances, and Rick wasn't in any danger (probably because the couple involved were too infatuated with him to care about the consequences), but if this girl were to be encouraged (which is happening with the band allowing her access to Rick) only to be faced with the harsh reality (i.e. Rick isn't interested) then it is frightening what could happen, bearing in mind everything else. If you are talking about the girl i'm thinking of she has learning disabilites and should be being looked after. She ended up being removed from certain groups as she became offensive towards other fans. It would be difficult for any celeb in that situation to show freindship towards someone like that who is infatuated. Without it being misunderstood. Going back the the guy who killed himself in the end. I don't think what went on with Rick was what pushed him over the edge. That happened in 2005 and the guy died in 2008. The ex was having other affairs and then decided to leave him for good and remarried someone else.
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Jun 21, 2016 8:41:04 GMT
Rick's health problems have unsurprisingly brought about heated discussions about whether it's right or not that Quo are playing without him, should people be entitled to refunds, etc, but behind all of this is the continually ignored fact that some fans (whom I would regard as making up a very significant percentage of Quo fans) are unhealthily obsessed with the band. E.g. this quote; It's all very well Quo being approachable to their fanbase, but this has led to people who already have trouble controlling their emotions and deciphering reality into thinking they are somehow best pals with band members, or more worryingly, romantic interests. The openness and puerile promotion has unquestionably attracted fans of an underdeveloped mental state, which is not to say that those people can't enjoy music, but when it results in said fans' own health being put at risk then it's time something is done about it before it gets any worse. I don't want to name names or go into specifics, but you can all remember years ago the bloke who killed himself because of Quo's open-door policy. Quo don't have an "open door" policy, they are just reasonably decent and approachable when fans are about and they are OK with it. If this is the incident in recent years, I fear it had as much to do with Rick's own "revolving door" policy as anything. (But PS I bow to Lord Flashheart's update.) (Still quite an unhealthy situation unless everyone concerned has a heart as tough as boot leather.) People said that Quo attracted "fans of an undeveloped mental state" pretty much from the moment they started going heads down no nonsense, most bands have been blamed for this by someone or other, the same when the Beatles arrived.
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Jun 21, 2016 9:01:00 GMT
And because some fans just take things far too serious and become unreal in their following of famous persons. If one becomes that obsessive then something is not completely right with their mind in the first place Nicely put. And of course, the clue is in the word 'obsessive.' I'm guessing than the term fans comes from fanatics. I wonder when that got dropped. I believe there is evidence that it did come from "fanatic", but I read a year or two ago a comment that there was also some evidence that it came from "fantasist", which is quite interesting. Probably once the term started being used, people thought both things. Historically a "fanatic" is a religious obsessive or servant of a religion. That's quite interesting too ... I didn't read much medieval religious lyric verse* before starting to think that religion/romance/fandom all had a very close relationship. (*Before anyone wonders, it was a college module and we had to read the book )
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2016 9:05:20 GMT
Hi All, I have read all the posts and just think we are over thinking this whole 'Obsessive Fan' thing when it's all really quite simple IMHO.
People all have their own opinions and much in the same way the fan of whatever has an emotional tie to that whatever all very different levels I would say it's the same all across the wide spectrum of interests we all have. Also it's just that the emotion is higher in some fans than others also, some have difficulty with separating that idolising from reality. Some are just simply not bothered one way or the other what happens to who and when with a take it or leave whatever attitude to news.
The so called obsessive fan are exceptions to the normal fan base of whatever, it consumes their entire life morning noon and night this can as has happened have some tragic consequences. Generally though if handled correctly and treated with respect by whoever is the object off adulation then I would think most would be able to cope a lot better emotionally with whatever news.
I can see the point say for an instance:- When a fan becomes a pest when of whoever because that whoever cannot deal with that adulation themselves. If whoever had people who can aid him/her in letting down the obsessive down gently, almost as if dealing with a child emotionally ? then you wouldn't have so many news involving obsessive fans.
I really do think that while not warranted the attention famous people get do have some responsibility to the obsessive fan and should have contingencies in place to help deal with this problem, and not just sweep it under the carpet as whoever is a nut job. They should be helped not dismissed and accused of whatever. If you like maybe say it was in a way a mental illness that is linked to whoever their emotional attachment is focussed on. Maybe even go so far to suggest as a substitute for a traumatic whatever event early in their life ?
When all said and done at the end of the day they are fans just on another level that's all even if is over the top, to put it simply just more emotionally attached to the band than you or I.
Geoff. Hi Geoff. I think that's well explained.
The cult obsessive fan exists very much in the mind of the creative movie/film maker in constructing a good box office selling plot. That is where my Fatal Attraction joke (that failed ) came from. However, in reality they exist as much of a minority as any other person with an excessive unstable mind-set of whatever kind. That is to say, the actions of these people may have further reaching consequences, but when placed against the general size of the population, they are very few and far between
Does the famous person(s) under the spotlight have any responsibility for augmenting obsessive fan behaviour? Was it fame or money? Lethal vice, cold as ice.
Art for art's sake. Money for god sake
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2016 19:05:14 GMT
Hi All, I have read all the posts and just think we are over thinking this whole 'Obsessive Fan' thing when it's all really quite simple IMHO.
People all have their own opinions and much in the same way the fan of whatever has an emotional tie to that whatever all very different levels I would say it's the same all across the wide spectrum of interests we all have. Also it's just that the emotion is higher in some fans than others also, some have difficulty with separating that idolising from reality. Some are just simply not bothered one way or the other what happens to who and when with a take it or leave whatever attitude to news.
The so called obsessive fan are exceptions to the normal fan base of whatever, it consumes their entire life morning noon and night this can as has happened have some tragic consequences. Generally though if handled correctly and treated with respect by whoever is the object off adulation then I would think most would be able to cope a lot better emotionally with whatever news.
I can see the point say for an instance:- When a fan becomes a pest when of whoever because that whoever cannot deal with that adulation themselves. If whoever had people who can aid him/her in letting down the obsessive down gently, almost as if dealing with a child emotionally ? then you wouldn't have so many news involving obsessive fans.
I really do think that while not warranted the attention famous people get do have some responsibility to the obsessive fan and should have contingencies in place to help deal with this problem, and not just sweep it under the carpet as whoever is a nut job. They should be helped not dismissed and accused of whatever. If you like maybe say it was in a way a mental illness that is linked to whoever their emotional attachment is focussed on. Maybe even go so far to suggest as a substitute for a traumatic whatever event early in their life ?
When all said and done at the end of the day they are fans just on another level that's all even if is over the top, to put it simply just more emotionally attached to the band than you or I.
Geoff. Hi Geoff. I think that's well explained.
Art for art's sake. Money for god sake
Hi All, CL, You knew all along one day a 10cc lyric would come in handy...
Geoff.
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