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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2016 13:45:50 GMT
The same could be said for countless other songs besides CUOY. There has never been any reasonable excuse for the permanent presence of this song or others that have never left the set, over dozens and dozens of other songs that are "distinctive and can be replicated well live". Just offering a thought as to why CUOY has stayed. I wouldn't say there are dozens and dozens of other songs, least not from recent (i.e. 1986-) albums. Those that HAVE worked, not played for years; Anniversary Waltz One Man Band Rock Til You Drop Restless Twenty Wild Horses Old Time Rock N Roll All Stand Up Heavy Traffic Solid Gold Belavista Man could have been re-introduced if Quo were worried about taking a chance on obscure, untried tracks. It could be argued that songs were plucked from nowhere for the Aquostic, FF and Francis solo tours, but they worked because of the context in which they were chosen. No pressure, experimental, blank canvas to choose from, etc. I doubt BEL and OB would have lasted long in the set had there been no FF reunion. Suppose it would have been a change for one year at least. Maybe dozens an dozens was something of an exaggeration but other than ones that previously briefly featured but have been dropped - my focus would have also embraced songs they haven't played. Hence why I still think there are more than plenty of them that could have been chosen.
As I have implied to Frozen Hero, its all totally hypothetical (especially now with Ricks health concerns on top of impending retirement) but just some of my own wish-list suggestions would have been based around these to try and exclude pre 85 karaoke. In no particular order:
Blues and Rhythm Dust to Gold Frozen Hero Like a Zombie Shine On Alright Go Go Go Nothing Comes Easy Who Gets The Love Got To Get Up and Go Heavy Traffic Electric Arena (but with FR band type solo) Penslyvania Blues Tonight My Little Heartbreaker You'll Come Round Under The Influence Twenty Wild Hawsers Rock Till You Drop Tongue Tied
I could easily suggest more - but the main problem clearly showing up from that selection alone is shortage of suitable songs (for live performance) from Rick because his writing hasn't been anywhere near as prolific as Francis during the CQ years.
I'm not personally that keen on something like The Power of Rock but in terms of something different I would have certainly put up with it ahead of 70's hits karaoke. I would probably also include One Man Band and Belavista Man - which are ok even though they are not favourite songs of mine from the respective albums. I don't like Rhino's singing - but something like Run and Hide would have been a possibility (and infinitely better than the dreadful Gravy Train!). It would simply be to try and balance the singing at gigs and proportion of songs written by Francis (mainly) or the rest of the band.
But like I say, its all academic and it ain't ever going to happen. That is largely why making up imaginary set lists is a waste of time. The band never listened before (yes they reacted to the HT album but that was a one-off because they liked some of the songs live at the time) so it definitely isn't going to happen now!
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Post by frozenhero on Aug 11, 2016 11:00:58 GMT
Just offering a thought as to why CUOY has stayed. I wouldn't say there are dozens and dozens of other songs, least not from recent (i.e. 1986-) albums. Those that HAVE worked, not played for years; Anniversary Waltz One Man Band Rock Til You Drop Restless Twenty Wild Horses Old Time Rock N Roll All Stand Up Heavy Traffic Solid Gold Belavista Man could have been re-introduced if Quo were worried about taking a chance on obscure, untried tracks. It could be argued that songs were plucked from nowhere for the Aquostic, FF and Francis solo tours, but they worked because of the context in which they were chosen. No pressure, experimental, blank canvas to choose from, etc. I doubt BEL and OB would have lasted long in the set had there been no FF reunion. Suppose it would have been a change for one year at least. Maybe dozens an dozens was something of an exaggeration but other than ones that previously briefly featured but have been dropped - my focus would have also embraced songs they haven't played. Hence why I still think there are more than plenty of them that could have been chosen.
As I have implied to Frozen Hero, its all totally hypothetical (especially now with Ricks health concerns on top of impending retirement) but just some of my own wish-list suggestions would have been based around these to try and exclude pre 85 karaoke. In no particular order:
Blues and Rhythm Dust to Gold Frozen Hero Like a Zombie Shine On Alright Go Go Go Nothing Comes Easy Who Gets The Love Got To Get Up and Go Heavy Traffic Electric Arena (but with FR band type solo) Penslyvania Blues Tonight My Little Heartbreaker You'll Come Round Under The Influence Twenty Wild Hawsers Rock Till You Drop Tongue Tied
I could easily suggest more - but the main problem clearly showing up from that selection alone is shortage of suitable songs (for live performance) from Rick because his writing hasn't been anywhere near as prolific as Francis during the CQ years.
I'm not personally that keen on something like The Power of Rock but in terms of something different I would have certainly put up with it ahead of 70's hits karaoke. I would probably also include One Man Band and Belavista Man - which are ok even though they are not favourite songs of mine from the respective albums. I don't like Rhino's singing - but something like Run and Hide would have been a possibility (and infinitely better than the dreadful Gravy Train!). It would simply be to try and balance the singing at gigs and proportion of songs written by Francis (mainly) or the rest of the band.
But like I say, its all academic and it ain't ever going to happen. That is largely why making up imaginary set lists is a waste of time. The band never listened before (yes they reacted to the HT album but that was a one-off because they liked some of the songs live at the time) so it definitely isn't going to happen now!
With all due respect catlady, but so is endlessly complaining about the situation in threads that have nothing to do with it. I'd prefer to 'waste my time' with a positive attitude, thank you. Besides, O Baby was also often requested (see 90s interview), and one can argue that they did listen, even if it took them the FF reunion to actually play it. Gravy Train remains one of my favourite "CQ" (2000s) tracks. Rick must have liked it enough to sing and play on it, and it seems the band as a whole preferred it over the two/three Rick songs that did land on ISOTFC. I really don't get why, with Freddie on stage at the moment and Rhino already singing one song, they don't at least try out Bad News.
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Post by frozenhero on Aug 11, 2016 11:03:37 GMT
Looking at your list, GoGoGo was a mess live, I can't assume they'd do Frozen Hero any more justice (as much as I'd like it). And I can't imagine tracks like My Little Heartbreaker or Tongue Tied going down well live...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2016 14:34:29 GMT
Looking at your list, GoGoGo was a mess live, I can't assume they'd do Frozen Hero any more justice (as much as I'd like it). And I can't imagine tracks like My Little Heartbreaker or Tongue Tied going down well live... And that's called a positive attitude in your world. Charming.
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Post by curiousgirl on Aug 11, 2016 14:55:52 GMT
Looking at your list, GoGoGo was a mess live, I can't assume they'd do Frozen Hero any more justice (as much as I'd like it). And I can't imagine tracks like My Little Heartbreaker or Tongue Tied going down well live... Actually, Francis played both these tracks on his solo tour and they went down very well. So.... as many on here call this the Francis Rossi Quo now, and Freddie was in his solo band, they may well be more than okay!
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Post by frozenhero on Aug 11, 2016 15:03:28 GMT
Looking at your list, GoGoGo was a mess live, I can't assume they'd do Frozen Hero any more justice (as much as I'd like it). And I can't imagine tracks like My Little Heartbreaker or Tongue Tied going down well live... And that's called a positive attitude in your world. Charming. It's a realistic attitude. Have another listen at what Francis does to the lyrics in GoGoGo, do you think that was OK? I thought it was embarrassing, though the rest of the band certainly did well and I also liked the solo. But it didn't sound proper as a whole. Maybe I subconsciously adjusted my attitude but I didn't (and won't) call MLH or TT "dreadful" even if I don't like them - because I, unlike others, respect that they have their fans and don't want to insult their musical taste - and don't see how they could please a large crowd. Frozen Hero could, but it's probably got way too many lyrics. The big problem is if they wanted to integrate new material, they would have to make sure not to start on the wrong foot. Midtempo material is always problematic and ballads are not easily fitted into a Quo set. I was giving my honest opinion and if they had tried out those two songs I would assume they'd get a very polite response. If they could pull something like Frozen Hero off (which I doubt), that would be another story. Besides, I said that the original premise of the thread was meant to be constructive, but apart from rossiswaistcoat nobody really followed in that vein. Instead all I got was more negativity (and some setlist proposals, but only after persisting). Of course that's going to rub off on you, whatever good intentions you may have had in the beginning.
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Post by frozenhero on Aug 11, 2016 15:24:24 GMT
Looking at your list, GoGoGo was a mess live, I can't assume they'd do Frozen Hero any more justice (as much as I'd like it). And I can't imagine tracks like My Little Heartbreaker or Tongue Tied going down well live... Actually, Francis played both these tracks on his solo tour and they went down very well. So.... as many on here call this the Francis Rossi Quo now, and Freddie was in his solo band, they may well be more than okay! Thanks, I had forgotten about that. Must listen to those live versions. But then the expectations are different for a "Rossi" concert compared to a "Quo" concert. I think the entire solo set was structured differently. I don't mind it personally, I don't need two hours of "bang! bang!" fast rock uninterrupted, but that's what Quo are still about (except Gerdundula and ITAN) and I struggle to think exactly how those songs (among others) could be integrated into the "Quo" framework (npi ). Personally, I'll say it again: those two songs don't do anything for me. My Little Heartbreaker has a nice verse and guitar solo but the chorus is just way too reminiscent of "Schlager", could be covered by those German beer tent bands, and that's something I really don't want to associate with Quo. Just my personal taste. And Tongue Tied sounds like an Imagine wannabe to my ears. They probably could work it into an acoustic set but there are numerous Quo ballads I'd prefer to hear live. And both songs suffer IMO from coming after some songs on ISOTFC that really get me going (Electric Arena/Gravy Train/Figure of Eight/YTOFM and Hold Me/Saddling Up/Bad News). Of course telling down somebody else's choices isn't what I created this thread for, which is why I'll try to refrain from doing it in the future.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2016 15:49:52 GMT
Think we're halfway there to agreeing. The likes of EA and TT would work well at a theatre/arena gig, but wouldn't at an open-air gig.
Perhaps why Oriental and CUOY continue to stay in the set, because they suit all occasions?
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Post by frozenhero on Aug 11, 2016 15:54:34 GMT
Think we're halfway there to agreeing. The likes of EA and TT would work well at a theatre/arena gig, but wouldn't at an open-air gig. Perhaps why Oriental and CUOY continue to stay in the set, because they suit all occasions? Those two can't be the only songs in that category, though? Maybe this is also why Francis was keen on continuing the acoustic path - because it's an opportunity to play some different type of material in other types of venues. They keep me guessing...
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Post by MrWaistcoat on Aug 11, 2016 16:00:26 GMT
Think we're halfway there to agreeing. The likes of EA and TT would work well at a theatre/arena gig, but wouldn't at an open-air gig. Perhaps why Oriental and CUOY continue to stay in the set, because they suit all occasions? That's an interesting thought, you could be onto something with that The band insist that they really do want to change the set....and do think about it a lot and try things. I guess they wouldn't be prepared to have two set lists....so yeah....the songs would have to fit any setting. I do think they can pull that off, but not with album tracks from any era. They could play a shed load of different / not played or rarely played hits, and the punters would be very happy. Reckon most CQ gig goers would prefer "mess o blues" to Oriental. Save
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Post by markquo on Aug 11, 2016 16:58:14 GMT
Caroline
Paper Plane
Roll over lay down
Backwater
Just take me
Little Lady
Don't drive my car
Whatever you want
Hold you back
Rockin' all over the world
Over the Edge
Dirty Water
4500 Times
Big Fat Mama
Don't waste my time
Roadhouse Blues
What you'Re proposing
Rain
Down Down
Bye bye Johnny
Cheers
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Post by whoami on Aug 11, 2016 18:35:09 GMT
Not WYW. not RAOTW not Burning B and so on. Play a set based on the last FF. Put in unspoken words or a year, then Claudie, reasons for living and and its better now (maybe take out down down and put in dont think it matters IMO ( Claudie would be easy for them;)....maybe Frame and regg doin NaNaNa acoustic??? ( in my dreams)))) Anyway-soon the AII is out and some of you will be satisfied😜
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2016 8:49:54 GMT
Maybe dozens an dozens was something of an exaggeration but other than ones that previously briefly featured but have been dropped - my focus would have also embraced songs they haven't played. Hence why I still think there are more than plenty of them that could have been chosen.
As I have implied to Frozen Hero, its all totally hypothetical (especially now with Ricks health concerns on top of impending retirement) but just some of my own wish-list suggestions would have been based around these to try and exclude pre 85 karaoke. In no particular order:
Blues and Rhythm Dust to Gold Frozen Hero Like a Zombie Shine On Alright Go Go Go Nothing Comes Easy Who Gets The Love Got To Get Up and Go Heavy Traffic Electric Arena (but with FR band type solo) Penslyvania Blues Tonight My Little Heartbreaker You'll Come Round Under The Influence Twenty Wild Hawsers Rock Till You Drop Tongue Tied
I could easily suggest more - but the main problem clearly showing up from that selection alone is shortage of suitable songs (for live performance) from Rick because his writing hasn't been anywhere near as prolific as Francis during the CQ years.
I'm not personally that keen on something like The Power of Rock but in terms of something different I would have certainly put up with it ahead of 70's hits karaoke. I would probably also include One Man Band and Belavista Man - which are ok even though they are not favourite songs of mine from the respective albums. I don't like Rhino's singing - but something like Run and Hide would have been a possibility (and infinitely better than the dreadful Gravy Train!). It would simply be to try and balance the singing at gigs and proportion of songs written by Francis (mainly) or the rest of the band.
But like I say, its all academic and it ain't ever going to happen. That is largely why making up imaginary set lists is a waste of time. The band never listened before (yes they reacted to the HT album but that was a one-off because they liked some of the songs live at the time) so it definitely isn't going to happen now!
With all due respect catlady, but so is endlessly complaining about the situation in threads that have nothing to do with it. I'd prefer to 'waste my time' with a positive attitude, thank you. Besides, O Baby was also often requested (see 90s interview), and one can argue that they did listen, even if it took them the FF reunion to actually play it. Gravy Train remains one of my favourite "CQ" (2000s) tracks. Rick must have liked it enough to sing and play on it, and it seems the band as a whole preferred it over the two/three Rick songs that did land on ISOTFC. I really don't get why, with Freddie on stage at the moment and Rhino already singing one song, they don't at least try out Bad News. Criticising a pre-existing set list, however often that may happen, is at least a reality. Conjuring up imaginary set lists for a band that has never offered such a choice to begin with, but is now set to retire anyway, with the additional handicap of the precarious position of Ricks health seems wholly in vain to me. But each to their own of course.
Notwithstanding all that, I did still offer a list of songs anyway! ... But all it has served to do for me is endorse even further what could/should have been.
Gravy Train I think is essentially a travesty. As I see it, GT is a hideous attempt at some kind of death metal thrash. Its not a genre I like personally, but saying that is nothing against death metal if that is what anyone else likes - its just that this song fails to meet the standard regardless anyway.
I struggle to think of other songs, however poor they may also be, that are written by this band that are as devoid of melody as this one. I suppose that in the absence of any welcomed and much needed overhaul of the set, at least they saw the light and ditched it pdq
Alright, most especially of the other Rick songs on ISOTFC is infinitely better and more "Quo-like". It was ironic that last time I went to see CQ a few years back, this song was playing on the sound system as the crowd streamed out of the park the gig had been played in. I'd gone to the gig in hope of hearing a representation of songs from ISOTFC at the time and the only offering had the (ok if nothing special) BOTE. At least I was spared Gravy Train....
Very little was to change thereafter. It has been great that the ISOFTC album was at least highlighted in the FR solo gigs however. I find Bad News to be the next poorest song on an otherwise excellent CQ album. I'm pushed to think of any song sung by Rhino worth including in any ex-fantasy CQ set. No offence intended to him personally, but his singing is a parallel universe behind that of the essential Alan Lancaster third vocal. The reunions starkly exposed just how much that third vocal (as much as Alan himself of course) has been missed.
On the subject of the reunions, taking Oh Baby (and BEL) from the FF set into the CQ set was just asking for problems and very negative reactions. Not only did it precisely illustrate that CQ are incapable of substituting songs in their set for anything different of their own, but also they set themselves up for a big fall through inevitable comparison shortfalls, set against the incredible success and frenzied excitement of those reunion gigs.
In the circumstances I'd much rather Freddie (and other guest stand-in) were allowed to be playing a role closer to that of the FR solo gigs by being involved in departure songs from the written in stone karaoke set.
In the unfortunate circumstances as they are, they have nothing at all to lose - yet another opportunity for something different, spontaneous and creative missed.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2016 9:36:49 GMT
Think we're halfway there to agreeing. The likes of EA and TT would work well at a theatre/arena gig, but wouldn't at an open-air gig. Perhaps why Oriental and CUOY continue to stay in the set, because they suit all occasions? That's an interesting thought, you could be onto something with that The band insist that they really do want to change the set....and do think about it a lot and try things. I guess they wouldn't be prepared to have two set lists....so yeah....the songs would have to fit any setting. I do think they can pull that off, but not with album tracks from any era. They could play a shed load of different / not played or rarely played hits, and the punters would be very happy. Reckon most CQ gig goers would prefer "mess o blues" to Oriental. SaveIf CQ had become a band in their own right in terms of reflecting the music they record as the same music they play at their gigs, then many of these interesting options discussed on here would be quite possible.
Instead, by over focussing on keeping the old SQ name alive through playing (mostly) 70's hits and two or three CQ staples (as supposedly representative of that post 86 30 yr recorded work), they immediately swallow up all the possibilities of being able to adapt the set list to a format that would suit most occasions
If expectations are set up on such an insular focus, and followed up over such a long period of time on that same insular focus, then an audience is also created that is set in its ways as a reflection of that insular focus. The longer that time goes on, the harder it becomes to make acceptable departures from what a certain "groomed" audience comes to gigs to listen to.
Of course, grooming a specific audience that way, will also alienate large numbers along the way as well. This is exactly what has happened and why such cynicism now exists.
This is reasoned "negativity". Its not an attitude created to deliberately spoil attempts at being "positive". It simply reflects an honest opinion of how things have evolved.
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Post by paradiseflats on Aug 12, 2016 9:59:31 GMT
That's an interesting thought, you could be onto something with that The band insist that they really do want to change the set....and do think about it a lot and try things. I guess they wouldn't be prepared to have two set lists....so yeah....the songs would have to fit any setting. I do think they can pull that off, but not with album tracks from any era. They could play a shed load of different / not played or rarely played hits, and the punters would be very happy. Reckon most CQ gig goers would prefer "mess o blues" to Oriental. SaveIf CQ had become a band in their own right in terms of reflecting the music they record as the same music they play at their gigs, then many of these interesting options discussed on here would be quite possible.
Instead, by over focussing on keeping the old SQ name alive through playing (mostly) 70's hits and two or three CQ staples (as supposedly representative of that post 86 30 yr recorded work), they immediately swallow up all the possibilities of being able to adapt the set list to a format that would suit most occasions
If expectations are set up on such an insular focus, and followed up over such a long period of time on that same insular focus, then an audience is also created that is set in its ways as a reflection of that insular focus. The longer that time goes on, the harder it becomes to make acceptable departures from what a certain "groomed" audience comes to gigs to listen to.
Of course, grooming a specific audience that way, will also alienate large numbers along the way as well. This is exactly what has happened and why such cynicism now exists.
This is reasoned "negativity". Its not an attitude created to deliberately spoil attempts at being "positive". It simply reflects an honest opinion of how things have evolved.
I agree with you. They may be an efficient live act but even for casual fans I know they are no longer as attractive as they don't go saying, 'it's not like I haven't seen it before'. They are a very predictable turn and sadly not as good as they were. They started to dip around Fourh Chord. Another sad point is, they don't even play that many if their greatest songs any more. With Rick out of action, this must be the worst set in years.
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