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Post by frozenhero on May 25, 2016 10:42:26 GMT
Tried hard to come up with something that reflects the (mainly CQ) fan consensus but also works as a 'flowing' setlist like the recent ones. And of course there's a bit of my personal taste in there ;-) There are some gaps in there and I deliberately left out many of the current staples, such as TW, SBYBIL, BOTE, TO and CUOY. Not sure about ROLD or DWMT, as I feel they should only be there if Francis is actually up for doing the solos justice. I guess ROLD (and BFM) is fixed anyway so feel free to put it somewhere. I also feel that perhaps the old bluesier stuff like JW or RHB should be represented, as well as a final outing of 4500 Times and perhaps a ballad, but I'm not sure what to do with those. IMO, this set should be less hits-oriented. We've had enough of these tours and this time there's no worry about whether people will come back next time assuming there won't be a 'next time' so yep, it's all about the *music* this time. In my very humble opinion, this could be a decent mixture of old & new songs with a healthy dose of rarities and some nice transitions (check out what happens to the keys of the first four songs - this could be fun). Caroline Lies Movin' On Softer Ride Wild Side of Life (full version) You'll Come Round Dust to Gold Again and Again Railroad Medley: Railroad Part 1/Backwater (without intro)/(drum interlude)/Slow Train (full version with extended drum solo) In the Army Now (no drum solo obviously) All Stand Up (Never Say Never) Reality Cheque Rain Rockers Rollin' Down Down Whatever You Want Rockin' All Over the World Bad News Bye Bye Johnny (complete version)
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Post by rockonquo on May 25, 2016 10:57:19 GMT
Would like to see a complete CQ set for eg, The Madness Lucinda You Never Stop Who Gets The Love One Man Band Shine On Alright Dust To Gold Lonely The Power Of Rock'N'Roll Solid Gold Red Sky Nothing Comes Easy
RAOTW WYW Rolling Home
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Post by frozenhero on May 25, 2016 11:36:57 GMT
Would like to see a complete CQ set for eg, The Madness Lucinda You Never Stop Who Gets The Love One Man Band Shine On Alright Dust To Gold Lonely The Power Of Rock'N'Roll Solid Gold Red Sky Nothing Comes Easy
RAOTW WYW Rolling Home Or Burning Bridges in the encore...nothing new I know.
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Post by whoami on May 27, 2016 6:52:30 GMT
Brrrrrrrrr
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Post by MrWaistcoat on May 27, 2016 10:05:04 GMT
Tried hard to come up with something that reflects the (mainly CQ) fan consensus but also works as a 'flowing' setlist like the recent ones. And of course there's a bit of my personal taste in there ;-) There are some gaps in there and I deliberately left out many of the current staples, such as TW, SBYBIL, BOTE, TO and CUOY. Not sure about ROLD or DWMT, as I feel they should only be there if Francis is actually up for doing the solos justice. I guess ROLD (and BFM) is fixed anyway so feel free to put it somewhere. I also feel that perhaps the old bluesier stuff like JW or RHB should be represented, as well as a final outing of 4500 Times and perhaps a ballad, but I'm not sure what to do with those. IMO, this set should be less hits-oriented. We've had enough of these tours and this time there's no worry about whether people will come back next time assuming there won't be a 'next time' so yep, it's all about the *music* this time. In my very humble opinion, this could be a decent mixture of old & new songs with a healthy dose of rarities and some nice transitions (check out what happens to the keys of the first four songs - this could be fun). Caroline Lies Movin' On Softer Ride Wild Side of Life (full version) You'll Come Round Dust to Gold Again and Again Railroad Medley: Railroad Part 1/Backwater (without intro)/(drum interlude)/Slow Train (full version with extended drum solo) In the Army Now (no drum solo obviously) All Stand Up (Never Say Never) Reality Cheque Rain Rockers Rollin' Down Down Whatever You Want Rockin' All Over the World Bad News Bye Bye Johnny (complete version) Great post I wasn't planning on going to the tour, but if it started with this set I'd buy a ticket. I think that's a great set. I'd drop Rain and add roadhouse. I also think BBJ is tired, probably raotw should end the CQ show now. I don't think Bad news is good enough to be an encore... a ballad like rock n roll would sit well there I would be astonished if CQ were prepared to end with such a radically changed set. They never have, and it would amaze me if they did so right at the end. As with FR solo and FF reunions, FR should know it can and will work.....but I just can't see it Safer still (and still enjoyable) they could keep the set hits oriented, but play in full the ones they never do, eg mess of blues, lies, down the dustpipe, WSOL, again and again, ole rag blues, dear john, BTR, MS...
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Post by frozenhero on Jun 22, 2016 21:14:52 GMT
Tried hard to come up with something that reflects the (mainly CQ) fan consensus but also works as a 'flowing' setlist like the recent ones. And of course there's a bit of my personal taste in there ;-) There are some gaps in there and I deliberately left out many of the current staples, such as TW, SBYBIL, BOTE, TO and CUOY. Not sure about ROLD or DWMT, as I feel they should only be there if Francis is actually up for doing the solos justice. I guess ROLD (and BFM) is fixed anyway so feel free to put it somewhere. I also feel that perhaps the old bluesier stuff like JW or RHB should be represented, as well as a final outing of 4500 Times and perhaps a ballad, but I'm not sure what to do with those. IMO, this set should be less hits-oriented. We've had enough of these tours and this time there's no worry about whether people will come back next time assuming there won't be a 'next time' so yep, it's all about the *music* this time. In my very humble opinion, this could be a decent mixture of old & new songs with a healthy dose of rarities and some nice transitions (check out what happens to the keys of the first four songs - this could be fun). Caroline Lies Movin' On Softer Ride Wild Side of Life (full version) You'll Come Round Dust to Gold Again and Again Railroad Medley: Railroad Part 1/Backwater (without intro)/(drum interlude)/Slow Train (full version with extended drum solo) In the Army Now (no drum solo obviously) All Stand Up (Never Say Never) Reality Cheque Rain Rockers Rollin' Down Down Whatever You Want Rockin' All Over the World Bad News Bye Bye Johnny (complete version) Great post I wasn't planning on going to the tour, but if it started with this set I'd buy a ticket. I think that's a great set. I'd drop Rain and add roadhouse. I also think BBJ is tired, probably raotw should end the CQ show now. I don't think Bad news is good enough to be an encore... a ballad like rock n roll would sit well there I would be astonished if CQ were prepared to end with such a radically changed set. They never have, and it would amaze me if they did so right at the end. As with FR solo and FF reunions, FR should know it can and will work.....but I just can't see it Safer still (and still enjoyable) they could keep the set hits oriented, but play in full the ones they never do, eg mess of blues, lies, down the dustpipe, WSOL, again and again, ole rag blues, dear john, BTR, MS... I know, it's unfortunate that there's really no indication of something like that happening. But assuming everything goes well, I do hope that they realize this is the last opportunity to play any old song they feel that should have been played by Quo at some point. And I know Rick says in the Quo liner notes about Slow Train "why we don't do it live is one of life's great mysteries". Rhino said how proud he is of having contributed to Dust to Gold. Francis raves about Electric Arena. If they like these songs so much, why don't they play them?
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Post by Whoppa Choppa on Jun 23, 2016 4:35:47 GMT
Great post I wasn't planning on going to the tour, but if it started with this set I'd buy a ticket. I think that's a great set. I'd drop Rain and add roadhouse. I also think BBJ is tired, probably raotw should end the CQ show now. I don't think Bad news is good enough to be an encore... a ballad like rock n roll would sit well there I would be astonished if CQ were prepared to end with such a radically changed set. They never have, and it would amaze me if they did so right at the end. As with FR solo and FF reunions, FR should know it can and will work.....but I just can't see it Safer still (and still enjoyable) they could keep the set hits oriented, but play in full the ones they never do, eg mess of blues, lies, down the dustpipe, WSOL, again and again, ole rag blues, dear john, BTR, MS... I know, it's unfortunate that there's really no indication of something like that happening. But assuming everything goes well, I do hope that they realize this is the last opportunity to play any old song they feel that should have been played by Quo at some point. And I know Rick says in the Quo liner notes about Slow Train "why we don't do it live is one of life's great mysteries". Rhino said how proud he is of having contributed to Dust to Gold. Francis raves about Electric Arena. If they like these songs so much, why don't they play them?one of life's great mysteries
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Post by Buzz on Jun 23, 2016 4:44:49 GMT
You wanna hear new stuff? Get the FF to do an album of new stuff. Release said album, and play the songs on a tour. The world will be a better place, .
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Post by frozenhero on Jun 23, 2016 9:45:52 GMT
You wanna hear new stuff? Get the FF to do an album of new stuff. Release said album, and play the songs on a tour. The world will be a better place, . If the FF couldn't be bothered to play more than two new songs on the Quo* tour (and CQ adopted the same habit around the time of ISOTFC), why should they play any more new songs from a new album? They don't need to make a new album to play new songs. There's enough unplayed material from all Quo phases to fill numerous setlists. As long as they don't address that problem, the chance of what you're proposing is very low. * Edit - I mean the tour for the album "Quo", from 1974...
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Post by frozenhero on Jun 23, 2016 9:48:48 GMT
I know, it's unfortunate that there's really no indication of something like that happening. But assuming everything goes well, I do hope that they realize this is the last opportunity to play any old song they feel that should have been played by Quo at some point. And I know Rick says in the Quo liner notes about Slow Train "why we don't do it live is one of life's great mysteries". Rhino said how proud he is of having contributed to Dust to Gold. Francis raves about Electric Arena. If they like these songs so much, why don't they play them?one of life's great mysteries Regardless of the reason, it certainly can't be because they don't like these songs!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2016 17:53:57 GMT
You wanna hear new stuff? Get the FF to do an album of new stuff. Release said album, and play the songs on a tour. The world will be a better place, . Yes, it was significant that the FF did the reunions after 30yrs of nothing at all, and yet managed to play a set that included songs they hadn't even played live all that time back. If they proved they are still that flexible and spontaneous live, it shows that it would be quite possible for them to show the same spontaneity in the studio and do a new album.
Its a pity its so very to happen based on the fact that winding down priorities lie with CQ, albeit these have obviously been put into uncertainty obviously by Ricks latest health scare,
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Post by frozenhero on Jul 5, 2016 19:26:58 GMT
You wanna hear new stuff? Get the FF to do an album of new stuff. Release said album, and play the songs on a tour. The world will be a better place, . Yes, it was significant that the FF did the reunions after 30yrs of nothing at all, and yet managed to play a set that included songs they hadn't even played live all that time back. If they proved they are still that flexible and spontaneous live, it shows that it would be quite possible for them to show the same spontaneity in the studio and do a new album.
Its a pity its so very to happen based on the fact that winding down priorities lie with CQ, albeit these have obviously been put into uncertainty obviously by Ricks latest health scare,
They needed something to fill up the space where the long bits of 4500x and Roadhouse Blues used to be... Seriously though, my thoughts are very mixed on that episode. I know that "O Baby" had been on the wishlists of many fans. Perhaps they thought that this was a better opportunity than any previous CQ tour. But was it a good idea? IMHO, not so much, as none of the versions I heard did the song any justice. Similar story with "Blue Eyed Lady", another one that had been demanded for a long time and that I was never too hot on to begin with. The only positive I can see was "(April) Spring, Summer & Wednesdays", even though that one also doesn't quite feel like a predestined live Quo song. Ironically it's the one song Quo did play live, albeit for a rather short time. It's interesting to see how you define flexibility. I don't see/hear any spontaneity on the DVDs, much like CQ in that regard. Yes, playing a couple of old songs that they had not played before is certainly somewhat flexible. But then again, I think Francis might not even have done it if the condition had been "play Live! straight through". Playing a few 'new' songs gave him the freedom to not exactly repeat something he'd done thirty years ago. Certainly 4th Chord is correct when he says that the second tour had an almost identical setlist, which closely resembles the "winning formula" attempt of recent CQ setlists. Furthermore, reading the comments about all the songs Alan wanted to play - "Unspoken Words", "Don't Think It Matters", "Slow Train"... it doesn't make me angry, it just makes me sad. How many Quo fans would have been upset if they'd dropped one or two of their standards (Down Down seems to be an obvious contender, for me anyway) and done another rarity in that place? Whether it would have worked live, is hard to tell and also obviously down to personal taste. DTIM, I think, should have worked at least as good as BEL, maybe even better.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2016 9:05:53 GMT
The FF didn't play 'versions' of their songs, they played their own songs. For a band that had not played together for 30 yrs, and then only had the skimpy benefit of a few months at the most to prepare for gigs - they did remarkably well. Especially bearing in mind Alan's health.
I don't agree at all about ASS&W. If the tedious repetition of playing CUOY has been representative of predestinate thinking to fit the CQ set, then ASS&W surely holds tenfold more justification in context of the FF as a song that (in starkest contrast to the 'by numbers' CUOY) has been played so sparingly over 45 years +. A much older band gave a reminding glimpse of why in its much younger days that classic Quo song had been such an icon of coolness as shown at the Beat Club at the turn of the 70's.
On that basis, it owes its predestinate presence in an FF set as much as any other.
As for BEL, its a number that made the hairs at the back of most all fans necks stand on end at the reunion gigs, and still manages to give me goose-bumps even though I unfortunately missed out on the gigs and only have the benefit of youtube videos as testimony to it. Taking into account all the above factors, its surely just one further classic illustration, of so many more possibilities, of vintage Quo at their very best.
There is a big big difference between the FF playing two identical sets after not playing together for 30 yrs - and CQ playing an identikit set year in and year out - and having been playing together for that same time30 yrs the original was in the wilderness. Following the FF reunion, that makes the taking BEL and Oh Baby into the CQ set even less excusable and shows a complete lack of imagination that inevitably could only lead to a let down when compared with the original song played by the original band.
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Post by frozenhero on Jul 6, 2016 10:52:57 GMT
The FF didn't play 'versions' of their songs, they played their own songs. For a band that had not played together for 30 yrs, and then only had the skimpy benefit of a few months at the most to prepare for gigs - they did remarkably well. Especially bearing in mind Alan's health.
I don't agree at all about ASS&W. If the tedious repetition of playing CUOY has been representative of predestinate thinking to fit the CQ set, then ASS&W surely holds tenfold more justification in context of the FF as a song that (in starkest contrast to the 'by numbers' CUOY) has been played so sparingly over 45 years +. A much older band gave a reminding glimpse of why in its much younger days that classic Quo song had been such an icon of coolness as shown at the Beat Club at the turn of the 70's.
On that basis, it owes its predestinate presence in an FF set as much as any other.
As for BEL, its a number that made the hairs at the back of most all fans necks stand on end at the reunion gigs, and still manages to give me goose-bumps even though I unfortunately missed out on the gigs and only have the benefit of youtube videos as testimony to it. Taking into account all the above factors, its surely just one further classic illustration, of so many more possibilities, of vintage Quo at their very best.
There is a big big difference between the FF playing two identical sets after not playing together for 30 yrs - and CQ playing an identikit set year in and year out - and having been playing together for that same time30 yrs the original was in the wilderness. Following the FF reunion, that makes the taking BEL and Oh Baby into the CQ set even less excusable and shows a complete lack of imagination that inevitably could only lead to a let down when compared with the original song played by the original band.
Of course they play 'versions'. Rick can't sing like his old self anymore, Francis played with the same guitar sound and style as in the CQ concerts preceding the reunion, and I'm not even talking about John's fails in Down Down and O Baby, which make me cringe each time I hear them (which is why I don't listen to them often). I'm sorry but those are flaws I can't simply overlook (same goes for CQ's live flaws, by the way). Some reviewers said that they got the impression that there were two bands playing at the same time, and they're right to a degree. From what I hear, the sound just doesn't gel, with Rick often being slightly ahead of John, etc. - but that is not the subject of the thread. Why do you have to drag CUOY into this? Are you making the assumption that I try to defend the overexposure of that song? If so, that is inaccurate. The song needs a rest, but so do quite a few others. See my proposed set list above. Yes, there are many old and new Quo songs that, for me personally, make more obvious live tracks and were not played. I already mentioned DTIM as an obvious contender for the FF reunion. But somehow you've missed my remark that despite its midtempo feel and start/stop structure, ASS&W is one of the few positives I can see when watching the DVDs or listening to the CDs - something that does not simply feel like an inferior version of Live! to me. I've never cared much about BEL - to me it's just an average Quo song. I probably feel the way about it the way you feel about CUOY. The most exciting part of BEL IMHO is the intro, and they shortened that (much like they do with Big Fat Mama, but that's a far superior song so it doesn't matter that much to me). I respect your opinion, but I feel they could have been much bolder with the track selection. Half of Quo, OTL and BFY never got played live at all. As for year-in-year-out, may I refer you back to the statistics? It's only been like that for the last ca. five years or such. What makes you think that, if the FF had continued, they would have changed their set? If they couldn't even manage to get Alan's wishes (DTIM, Unspoken Words, ST etc.) in despite Francis already making it clear that it would be the last chance to do so? I'm not buying it. The FF reunion, in my eyes, suffered from the exact same problems CQ (and, at least on paper, the original band in the 70s as well) have been suffering from. Quo have never been a 'flexible' band, and they won't ever be one. Have you seen 'Shine a Light'? Scorsese kept asking the band for a setlist and they kept telling him they didn't know what songs they would be playing. That's what I call flexibility. Quo are a million miles away from that. They put together a set; if something doesn't work it gets dropped. If they think it works, they play the same set every night, and on the next tour 90% of the set remains in place, save for a few times they completely overhauled the set (last time, incidentally, happening in 2009). Compare the Hello! tour to the Quo tour - two new songs...at least the original band could balance that out by being spontaneous (i.e. playing improvised parts such as in RHB or 4500x/GGH). But take that out and all that remains is staleness and predictability. OK, the reunited FF didn't quite "achieve" that because it was over before they could become as repetitive as CQ, but for me the signs were all there that this was the tendency.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2016 13:01:48 GMT
I would especially in this context clarify a version or versions of song(s) as a different set of musicians (collectively) playing and singing the songs that an original set of musicians (collectively) wrote, produced, sang and played themselves.
I didn't miss any remark. I responded to the comments that I felt were pertinent. Its up to me, after all, to decide which those might be.
The relevance of CUOY is quite clear and has been dealt with in detail many times before and requires no further elaboration
The majority of what you have written is based on your opinion, and which is of course fair enough, but much of which has either been covered before in previous post exchanges and/or we are simply don't agree on.
Therefore there seems little point in replying further
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