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Post by Gaz on Mar 29, 2016 12:31:37 GMT
The Yanks didn't like that sort of stuff that's all there is too it.Slade gave it a good go and nothing came of it.The Yanks seem too like really great guitarists and bands that can produce outstanding albums.Robert Christgau a top American music critic said about Quo "the band has no decent singer or guitarist, and criticized their attempts at ballads and blues as "boring". Bet he never saw em live... Quo live in the 70s were a killer band.
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Post by Victor on Mar 29, 2016 12:33:03 GMT
I agree Billy, it seems people´s cynicism and desire to whine is over-the-top sometimes. P.S. I´ll say it again: thank you Status Quo for 50 years of your toil, 50 years of creating music and 50 years of having made all our lives that much better. Jeff I doubt there are many who would disagree with your last sentence. However, even as fans there remains the right to criticise where appropriate. There is truth in the fact that the continuous dumbing down promotional image that the management seemingly want to keep encouraging, is the type of thing that makes a difference between the likes of Quo and The Stones.
Worth saying here that I find The Stones over hyped personally. However, there is no doubting they have made all the right moves through their career to stay established as a global major act, wheras increasingly Quo have wanted to resort to lower denominator 'good for a laugh' capers as a way of gaining endearment in the public eye. Not surprisingly this persistent dumbing down doesn't gain high status respect - although it may be entertaining for some.
As much as some are perceived as whining and being cynical at any opportunity, there is on the other hand a percentage who act offended at any given opportunity for any criticism. These tend mainly to be fans of CQ (and bear in mind I enjoy their music also) who seem to believe they are immune from critique and can do no wrong.
Support them by all means, but that doesn't mean slavish loyalty at any cost. I wonder how many are going to this final tour out of a feeling of 'loyalty'? The whole concept of that seems absurd to me. If it isn't value for money, don't go. Simple really
I have seen it on both sides. There are both CQ and FF fans who act offended at times and who can't take any critisism on what they personally love/like. I think it's a bit unrealistic to think that any band at all is above critisism. As soon as you put a band out there, you're also prone to receive critisism and it won't Always be friendly critisism either. If you can't take that, then you can wonder if one should even start a band at all. Çouldn't agree more with your last sentence ! I am not gonna spend my money on something I don't like. And that doesn't mean for a second that you can't be a loyal fan. Of course i'm loyal... as long as I like the music. If i don't like it then I am not gonna say I like it because of a false sort of loyalty. If i see management and such do the things they have been doing, you bet I will take my right to critisize it if I want to. If that makes me a "non-loyal" Quofan, so be it, I couldn't give a hoot.
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Post by Railroad17 on Mar 29, 2016 12:49:36 GMT
The Yanks didn't like that sort of stuff that's all there is too it.Slade gave it a good go and nothing came of it.The Yanks seem too like really great guitarists and bands that can produce outstanding albums.Robert Christgau a top American music critic said about Quo "the band has no decent singer or guitarist, and criticized their attempts at ballads and blues as "boring". Bet he never saw em live... Quo live in the 70s were a killer band. You don't have to tell me Gaz.I saw a review of a gig I went to in 79 and the journalist,who obviously hadn't a clue about them,said that the 2nd half of the gig was overlong, 4500 times,Roadhouse Blues etc.He went on to say that for an hour Status Quo are the best live band in the world.He was writing in the Quo hating Time Out magazine.
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Post by curiousgirl on Mar 29, 2016 13:08:22 GMT
Bet he never saw em live... Quo live in the 70s were a killer band. You don't have to tell me Gaz.I saw a review of a gig I went to in 79 and the journalist,who obviously hadn't a clue about them,said that the 2nd half of the gig was overlong, 4500 times,Roadhouse Blues etc.He went on to say that for an hour Status Quo are the best live band in the world.He was writing in the Quo hating Time Out magazine. And doesn't Rick tell a story about that period, meeting a journo in a club afterwards, who asked about the gig because he was not there but had to review it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 14:57:26 GMT
Billy Preston's Will it go round in circles... comes to mind. Criticising people is what we do on a daily basis, isn't it? Every time our opinion differs from that of other people, it feels like criticism to some. Many people can't deal with any kind of criticism whatsoever, so it should always be done in a tactful way. We are here because we liked the band Status Quo at one time or another, and many people still do. An MB is generally a good means of being able to discuss what we like, enjoy or dislike and want changed about the band. Everybody is entitled to their opinion, but it doesn't do to constantly ridicule or mock the opinions of others or keep telling them their taste in music is sh1te, the band is sh1te, their attitude is sh1te. It doesn't help to repeat oneself over and over again. I don't think 'CQ' fans are easily offended per se. I often feel it's the tone of those statements which expresses sarcasm or anger that creates negative vibrations. And watching from the 'outside' you can see it's always the same handful of 'FF' fans who get really worked up over all matters 'CQ'. In their eyes, the band and their management can't do anything right. What are they trying to achieve? It certainly won't make Francis or Simon Porter change their mind and have them announce the return of the original line-up and the ditching of the 'current' band. I think the band can deal with all kinds of criticism. There are enough interviews out there where they talk about getting ridiculed, slagged off by the media, promoters, DJs, non-fans and fans alike. I would have tried to 'defend' my Quo when I was a kid in the 70s. I actually did, but it was hopeless because friends and classmates just didn't appreciate them as much as I did. That didn't drag me down or make me feel humiliated. I simply enjoyed them on my own in my room at home or with other Quo fans at gigs. And that's what I still do. The only difference nowadays is that I talk about them on message boards. I know why I turned my back on them when I did - I had simply grown out of Quo music at the time - and why I eventually came back. I like what I like, and I don't feel the need to go and get worked up over people who don't. I'm interested in discussing all things Quo, and I would never say everything they do or have done is just wonderful, but I don't feel the need to 'convince' other fans that my opinion is the right one and ridicule theirs at the same time. And yes, it's definitely right not to spend any money on something you don't like. Why would you want to do that? There's no 'concept of loyalty'. Criticising the band has absolutely nothing to do with being disloyal. It's healthy if it's done properly. And, as I said in my reply above, you can't compare the Stones to Status Quo. I could go on and on about it and the history of rock, but I won't. So relax.
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Post by Victor on Mar 29, 2016 15:16:36 GMT
Billy Preston's Will it go round in circles... comes to mind. Criticising people is what we do on a daily basis, isn't it? Every time our opinion differs from that of other people, it feels like criticism to some. Many people can't deal with any kind of criticism whatsoever, so it should always be done in a tactful way. We are here because we liked the band Status Quo at one time or another, and many people still do. An MB is generally a good means of being able to discuss what we like, enjoy or dislike and want changed about the band. Everybody is entitled to their opinion, but it doesn't do to constantly ridicule or mock the opinions of others or keep telling them their taste in music is sh1te, the band is sh1te, their attitude is sh1te. It doesn't help to repeat oneself over and over again. I don't think 'CQ' fans are easily offended per se. I often feel it's the tone of those statements which expresses sarcasm or anger that creates negative vibrations. And watching from the 'outside' you can see it's always the same handful of 'FF' fans who get really worked up over all matters 'CQ'. In their eyes, the band and their management can't do anything right. What are they trying to achieve? It certainly won't make Francis or Simon Porter change their mind and have them announce the return of the original line-up and the ditching of the 'current' band. I think the band can deal with all kinds of criticism. There are enough interviews out there where they talk about getting ridiculed, slagged off by the media, promoters, DJs, non-fans and fans alike. I would have tried to 'defend' my Quo when I was a kid in the 70s. I actually did, but it was hopeless because friends and classmates just didn't appreciate them as much as I did. That didn't drag me down or make me feel humiliated. I simply enjoyed them on my own in my room at home or with other Quo fans at gigs. And that's what I still do. The only difference nowadays is that I talk about them on message boards. I know why I turned my back on them when I did - I had simply grown out of Quo music at the time - and why I eventually came back. I like what I like, and I don't feel the need to go and get worked up over people who don't. I'm interested in discussing all things Quo, and I would never say everything they do or have done is just wonderful, but I don't feel the need to 'convince' other fans that my opinion is the right one and ridicule theirs at the same time. And yes, it's definitely right not to spend any money on something you don't like. Why would you want to do that? There's no 'concept of loyalty'. Criticising the band has absolutely nothing to do with being disloyal. It's healthy if it's done properly. And, as I said in my reply above, you can't compare the Stones to Status Quo. I could go on and on about it and the history of rock, but I won't. So relax. Good post. Would like to add though that were you describe " the handful of FF fans who always critisize"..etc... Sorry but there have been just as much certain cq fans who do the exact same thing to everything FF. It's definitely not a one way street as far as that goes.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 15:26:26 GMT
Good post. Would like to add though that were you describe " the handful of FF fans who always critisize"..etc... Sorry but there have been just as much certain cq fans who do the exact same thing to everything FF. It's definitely not a one way street as far as that goes. Thanks. You're right there, Victor. It's a certain handful of so-called 'FF' fans and a certain handful of 'CQ' fans who always get agitated. Defo not one way.
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Post by Victor on Mar 29, 2016 15:44:25 GMT
Good post. Would like to add though that were you describe " the handful of FF fans who always critisize"..etc... Sorry but there have been just as much certain cq fans who do the exact same thing to everything FF. It's definitely not a one way street as far as that goes. Thanks. You're right there, Victor. It's a certain handful of so-called 'FF' fans and a certain handful of 'CQ' fans who always get agitated. Defo not one way. You're welcome It's a shame that some CQ and FF fans can't respect eachother's opinions a bit more. I myself strongly prefer the FF but I have never taken part in critisizing CQ fans cos they like CQ. I don't see the point. Music is such a subjective thing anyway and is a very personal matter. I guess some people just love to argue or something.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 15:56:55 GMT
What are they trying to achieve? It certainly won't make Francis or Simon Porter change their mind and have them announce the return of the original line-up and the ditching of the 'current' band. I take it you're including me as one of those pesky FF fans, so I'll answer that. It has been shown in the past that what happens on messageboards DOES influence band/management decisions. BOTE was released as a physical format because of fans; B-sides were included with the BTT single because of fans; "Last Dance In Dublin" was ditched because of the negativity shown towards the title by fans. That's just off the top of my head, I'm sure there's more. Certainly, doing nothing and just accepting what Quo do isn't going to get anywhere.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 17:31:41 GMT
Being offended over a rock band is a rather bizarre proposition really. And I would also find it hard to be offended about any era of Quo as I find things to enjoy and appreciate in all the era's (apart from the issue over the promotion of CQ ) even if my most preferred era is from late 60's to mid 80's and the End of the Road tour.
Yes, that's right - the late 60's. That preliminary period I find fascinating and quite exciting - it tells so much about how the young band developed their music career and irrespective of whether they liked it or not, I love the music they produced in that fiskadelic period in its own right.
The radical change period from 69 through to 71/72 is the most fascinating and absorbing of all for me, even if the rock boogie music and gigs heading through the peak of the 70's is the real deal. I think that Quo were such a cool band back in that metamorphosis period - and they took full advantage of this heading through the 70's. I really appreciate the rebel in them, it was just such the right thing to do at that time.
Maybe they should have toured Cuba?
I'm quite surprised that more fans don't appear quite as enthusiastic about those early days of change. Even if not to like the POMM and Spare Parts albums themselves, to still vibe out on the progressiveness of change Its precisely because of this, and the experiences they had, that the classic boogie era was made the big success it was.
If I had been old enough I could easily have been an eclectic mix of a tye dye hippy with flowers in her hair who also grew to drink rum and blacks whilst her arm was through that of her own trenchcoat and pint holding guy - both nodding our heads in tandem to the boogie shuffle beat letsrock
Once again, maybe in Cuba these things still might be possible to this day?
If there cannot be an FF final gig, then someone please put out a long documentary special that covers the history of all this - with lots of clips and footage from those early days leading on to the main event.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 17:50:51 GMT
What are they trying to achieve? It certainly won't make Francis or Simon Porter change their mind and have them announce the return of the original line-up and the ditching of the 'current' band. I take it you're including me as one of those pesky FF fans, so I'll answer that. It has been shown in the past that what happens on messageboards DOES influence band/management decisions. BOTE was released as a physical format because of fans; B-sides were included with the BTT single because of fans; "Last Dance In Dublin" was ditched because of the negativity shown towards the title by fans. That's just off the top of my head, I'm sure there's more. Certainly, doing nothing and just accepting what Quo do isn't going to get anywhere. The Oriental got played live! Well, I probably should have said, 'What are they trying to achieve by slagging the band and management off?' I know for sure that insulting me would definitely not help you to get what you want from me. I agree with you - doing nothing and just accepting is never the right way. And I don't have you down as a 'pesky FF fan'. I quite enjoy our discussions on here although you do have a way of expressing things when it comes to a certain poster on here. It's just a band, for goodness' sake.
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Post by rockonquo on Mar 30, 2016 9:18:30 GMT
Cheers for that gatesheadbanger, I was just about to ask didn't Quo tour that much in the 80's.
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Post by Gaz on Mar 30, 2016 11:32:01 GMT
Cheers for that gatesheadbanger, I was just about to ask didn't Quo tour that much in the 80's. The gig listing on 'Dr Lees' website (which is accessed on Quo official site ... Links section) is astonishing. It details almost every gig Quo have played and to be honest I can't blame the boys for want of a rest. The thought of all those years of airports and hotels is exhausting. Go have a look.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2016 16:57:31 GMT
Cheers for that gatesheadbanger, I was just about to ask didn't Quo tour that much in the 80's. Perhaps Inna you should be thanking, Daren? - I posted an Iron Maiden tour You have a good point there Teleboogie
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Post by Whoppa Choppa on Apr 1, 2016 18:21:24 GMT
Perhaps Inna you should be thanking, Daren? - I posted an Iron Maiden tour You have a good point there Teleboogie What? Resurrected from ?
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