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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2016 10:12:00 GMT
Val Quoonican in 2018  I've nothing at all against the band going down the acoustic route as a means of creative experimentation.
The problem is that, as much as the Aquostic gig was an enjoyable enough one-off gig, choosing this method as an alternative way of playing a selection of their hits proved a one dimensional strum along cul de sac.
Translating the Quo rock boogie formula acoustically provides a reduced creative framework to work with, and inevitably a one size fits all approach is the result. Much depended on the supporting musicians and orchestra to provide that creativity - and my enjoyment of the Aquostic gig to be honest was more about what they contributed to the music than the band!
It was no surprise that non boogie songs like AIBN (imo) worked best in this creative spirit - as such creativity then did come from the band as much as it did from the supporting musicians. However, there were not enough of these songs in the set.
If CQ insist on repeating this experiment, the onus is on them to select songs that are not strum along MK II - but depend upon some individual creativity from the band themselves other than sitting in a row playing pretty much the same thing in unison.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2016 10:22:58 GMT
Whatever it is, it'll be trivialised bullshit from Porter. That's all he's capable of. He doesn't know how to promote the band properly. You deeply resent Porter...were you employed by the band? Yes, pretty much the same theme as stated elsewhere, I don't resent any individual. Its not a personal vendetta.
Simon Porter seems a decent enough guy, and clearly does have a head for business, even if the decisions he and associated management make don't jive at all with my own preferences as a fan 
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Post by curiousgirl on Feb 21, 2016 16:39:03 GMT
Yes, pretty much the same theme as stated elsewhere, I don't resent any individual. Its not a personal vendetta.
Simon Porter seems a decent enough guy, and clearly does have a head for business, even if the decisions he and associated management make don't jive at all with my own preferences as a fan
What I can't understand, Cats, is if the approach SP uses is so good, and such a money spinner, why don't all the old rock bands' managers use it? Cos you can only have one Rock band that are lovable national treasures Gates.  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2016 16:48:43 GMT
Yes, pretty much the same theme as stated elsewhere, I don't resent any individual. Its not a personal vendetta.
Simon Porter seems a decent enough guy, and clearly does have a head for business, even if the decisions he and associated management make don't jive at all with my own preferences as a fan
What I can't understand, Cats, is if the approach SP uses is so good, and such a money spinner, why don't all the old rock bands' managers use it? Well yes exactly - couldn't agree more
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Post by threechordboogie on Feb 21, 2016 16:50:49 GMT
You deeply resent Porter...were you employed by the band? Nope. Can't stand the man because of his snide attitude, particularly towards the FF. Actually, he does. You just don't like how he's doing it. You failed to spot that I said PROPERLY. Quo are a ROCK band. How he promotes is not how a rock band should be promoted. The promotion only works because CQ fans don't know any better. Porter appeals to their sense of humour, but that's nothing to write home about. The stuff on tonight's TV counts for entertainment, but it's shite. It says something about the people watching, but moving swiftly on because I can't say that word... How do you define "properly"? If you think you can promote the band "properly", why don't you apply for the job? CQ fans are the money. If FF could draw bigger crowds and bigger ticket prices, that would be the focus. But I'm a CQ fan - what do I know? |
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Post by curiousgirl on Feb 21, 2016 17:00:12 GMT
Nope. Can't stand the man because of his snide attitude, particularly towards the FF. You failed to spot that I said PROPERLY. Quo are a ROCK band. How he promotes is not how a rock band should be promoted. The promotion only works because CQ fans don't know any better. Porter appeals to their sense of humour, but that's nothing to write home about. The stuff on tonight's TV counts for entertainment, but it's shite. It says something about the people watching, but moving swiftly on because I can't say that word... How do you define "properly"? If you think you can promote the band "properly", why don't you apply for the job? CQ fans are the money. If FF could draw bigger crowds and bigger ticket prices, that would be the focus. But I'm a CQ fan - what do I know? What do you know TCB - what you like and that's great. Its good to hear from the other points of view on here. I think that the FF fans, of which I'm one, have to accept that Francis didn't want to play in the old way. And with the help of their choice of managers, they've managed to keep going really well. We will never know if the FF style Quo would have continued to prove a draw or a bigger draw that the current style. Management is only part of the current story. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2016 19:12:29 GMT
One of my 'in the know contacts' told me the 2017 plan this weekend.
I'm DESPERATE to tell but have been sworn to secrecy......
Hi All, So secret you blab about the prospect of nothing! on here. I just hope your 'in the know contacts' isn't on this forum because if he/she is you just lost one......  Secret means secret don't you know....? doh 
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2016 19:55:58 GMT
Nope. Can't stand the man because of his snide attitude, particularly towards the FF. You failed to spot that I said PROPERLY. Quo are a ROCK band. How he promotes is not how a rock band should be promoted. The promotion only works because CQ fans don't know any better. Porter appeals to their sense of humour, but that's nothing to write home about. The stuff on tonight's TV counts for entertainment, but it's shite. It says something about the people watching, but moving swiftly on because I can't say that word... How do you define "properly"? If you think you can promote the band "properly", why don't you apply for the job? CQ fans are the money. If FF could draw bigger crowds and bigger ticket prices, that would be the focus. But I'm a CQ fan - what do I know? I define properly by; - Not promoting humour ahead of the actual music.
- Not trying to work "Quo" into nearly every bit of product on the basis that it will somehow be seen as clever. It was fine with QPQ but it's gone beyond a joke now.
- Not intensifying friction between fans by giving a tour a name (i.e. Accept No Substitute) that can be seen as a dig at the FF.
- Not categorically stating that "there is no demand for an FF album" whilst also saying that "Quo is Quo, whatever the lineup". It makes no sense, and it implies that there is no demand for any Quo lineup, which is just not true.
- Not trivialising the FF as an "itch that needed to be scratched".
- Not underpromoting the FF.
- Not letting Radio 2 decide what singles are released.
- Bothering to promote deluxe editions.
- Getting support acts that are credible rock artists.
The FF could sell the same (if not more) tickets as CQ on the winter tour. No-one except a handful of teenage girls go to see Quo because of Rhino, Andy or Leon.
Using the same lineup and the same music, Quo could have been promoted as a rock band. All it would have taken was different promotional methods. Singles such as DTG rather than BBQ. It didn't happen.
That's why I wouldn't be Quo's manager even if I was asked. They are done.
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Post by charles on Feb 21, 2016 20:46:18 GMT
Val Quoonican in 2018 I've nothing at all against the band going down the acoustic route as a means of creative experimentation.
The problem is that, as much as the Aquostic gig was an enjoyable enough one-off gig, choosing this method as an alternative way of playing a selection of their hits proved a one dimensional strum along cul de sac.
I'm not Always the most fervent fan of the somewhat verbose catlady per se, but when she gets it right, she gets it right: "a one dimensional strum along cul de sac" is classic USQB, well done lass, I salute you. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2016 22:25:46 GMT
How do you define "properly"? If you think you can promote the band "properly", why don't you apply for the job? CQ fans are the money. If FF could draw bigger crowds and bigger ticket prices, that would be the focus. But I'm a CQ fan - what do I know? I define properly by; - Not promoting humour ahead of the actual music.
- Not trying to work "Quo" into nearly every bit of product on the basis that it will somehow be seen as clever. It was fine with QPQ but it's gone beyond a joke now.
- Not intensifying friction between fans by giving a tour a name (i.e. Accept No Substitute) that can be seen as a dig at the FF.
- Not categorically stating that "there is no demand for an FF album" whilst also saying that "Quo is Quo, whatever the lineup". It makes no sense, and it implies that there is no demand for any Quo lineup, which is just not true.
- Not trivialising the FF as an "itch that needed to be scratched".
- Not underpromoting the FF.
- Not letting Radio 2 decide what singles are released.
- Bothering to promote deluxe editions.
- Getting support acts that are credible rock artists.
The FF could sell the same (if not more) tickets as CQ on the winter tour. No-one except a handful of teenage girls go to see Quo because of Rhino, Andy or Leon.
Using the same lineup and the same music, Quo could have been promoted as a rock band. All it would have taken was different promotional methods. Singles such as DTG rather than BBQ. It didn't happen.
That's why I wouldn't be Quo's manager even if I was asked. They are done.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2016 23:51:19 GMT
Like your pal will be in his own little jail cell.  Scoff all you like, but nothing in my post you can tear apart. And I was replying to someone who asked, "why don't you apply for the job?". Ain't me who's the nutjob. Thought you weren't posting here anymore? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 12:06:17 GMT
I've nothing at all against the band going down the acoustic route as a means of creative experimentation.
The problem is that, as much as the Aquostic gig was an enjoyable enough one-off gig, choosing this method as an alternative way of playing a selection of their hits proved a one dimensional strum along cul de sac.
I'm not Always the most fervent fan of the somewhat verbose catlady per se, but when she gets it right, she gets it right: "a one dimensional strum along cul de sac" is classic USQB, well done lass, I salute you. Just as well this is a rock music site then, rather than a tutorial in writing lessons |
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Post by I Ain't Complaining on Feb 24, 2016 14:11:41 GMT
Like your pal will be in his own little jail cell. Scoff all you like, but nothing in my post you can tear apart. And I was replying to someone who asked, "why don't you apply for the job?". Ain't me who's the nutjob. Thought you weren't posting here anymore? I have no beef with you DT; but the points you posted are just your opinion, not fact. We will never know if CQ could have done better (chart wise, financially or critically) because we can't test what would have happened if they'd done things differently. But in my opinion; Not trying to work "Quo" into nearly every bit of product on the basis that it will somehow be seen as clever. It was fine with QPQ but it's gone beyond a joke now. - So the last 3-4 albums have had Quo in the title. Not sure they would have done better if they hadn't? Does it matter? Not intensifying friction between fans by giving a tour a name (i.e. Accept No Substitute) that can be seen as a dig at the FF. - Pretty sure that wasn't the intention. After all a lot of the tracks on ANS were originally done by the FF or up until 1984. Sometimes I think people with an agenda look for conspiracy theories. Not trivialising the FF as an "itch that needed to be scratched". - I think this was probably how Francis saw it, and Simon was just vocalising that. To Francis (and Simon), current Quo are Quo, and the FF is the past. I don't think they're trivialising it; it finished over 30 years ago and they moved on. •Not underpromoting the FF. - In what respect? Both tours sold out (didn't they)? The live albums were promoted at the concerts and on the website. I'm no music business expert, but I keep hearing that you don't make much money from records these days; so it goes without saying that the more that is spent on marketing and promotion, so less profit is made. So how much would it cost to sell an extra 1000 units, and is it worth it or would you actually make less profit because of the extra costs involved. We don't know the answer to this because we're not involved. Not letting Radio 2 decide what singles are released. - If Radio 2 are the only (or main) radio station that plays your singles, surely it makes sense that you release something that they will play. One or two of the Rock stations might play a heavier Quo single, but how big is their audience and who buys the albums. Now it could be that Quo might sell more albums by getting their singles played on Planet Rock/Real XS etc, I don't know. But if you want your singles playing on Radio 2, you have to release something they will agree to play. Quo last 6 or 7 singles have all been in the R2 A or B play list, so they probably see that as a success. •Bothering to promote deluxe editions. - Again, probably comes down to finance. Unless sell 'a lot' more units, you could end up making less money if you spend a lot on promotion. It might be more cost effective to promote them less but to the hardcore fans. I don't know that I'm right and you're wrong....I'm just offering an alternative opinion (that I actually believe in). There's always another opinion! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2016 20:51:38 GMT
Like your pal will be in his own little jail cell. Scoff all you like, but nothing in my post you can tear apart. And I was replying to someone who asked, "why don't you apply for the job?". Ain't me who's the nutjob. Thought you weren't posting here anymore? I have no beef with you DT; but the points you posted are just your opinion, not fact. We will never know if CQ could have done better (chart wise, financially or critically) because we can't test what would have happened if they'd done things differently. But in my opinion; Not trying to work "Quo" into nearly every bit of product on the basis that it will somehow be seen as clever. It was fine with QPQ but it's gone beyond a joke now. - So the last 3-4 albums have had Quo in the title. Not sure they would have done better if they hadn't? Does it matter? Not intensifying friction between fans by giving a tour a name (i.e. Accept No Substitute) that can be seen as a dig at the FF. - Pretty sure that wasn't the intention. After all a lot of the tracks on ANS were originally done by the FF or up until 1984. Sometimes I think people with an agenda look for conspiracy theories. Not trivialising the FF as an "itch that needed to be scratched". - I think this was probably how Francis saw it, and Simon was just vocalising that. To Francis (and Simon), current Quo are Quo, and the FF is the past. I don't think they're trivialising it; it finished over 30 years ago and they moved on. •Not underpromoting the FF. - In what respect? Both tours sold out (didn't they)? The live albums were promoted at the concerts and on the website. I'm no music business expert, but I keep hearing that you don't make much money from records these days; so it goes without saying that the more that is spent on marketing and promotion, so less profit is made. So how much would it cost to sell an extra 1000 units, and is it worth it or would you actually make less profit because of the extra costs involved. We don't know the answer to this because we're not involved. Not letting Radio 2 decide what singles are released. - If Radio 2 are the only (or main) radio station that plays your singles, surely it makes sense that you release something that they will play. One or two of the Rock stations might play a heavier Quo single, but how big is their audience and who buys the albums. Now it could be that Quo might sell more albums by getting their singles played on Planet Rock/Real XS etc, I don't know. But if you want your singles playing on Radio 2, you have to release something they will agree to play. Quo last 6 or 7 singles have all been in the R2 A or B play list, so they probably see that as a success. •Bothering to promote deluxe editions. - Again, probably comes down to finance. Unless sell 'a lot' more units, you could end up making less money if you spend a lot on promotion. It might be more cost effective to promote them less but to the hardcore fans. I don't know that I'm right and you're wrong....I'm just offering an alternative opinion (that I actually believe in). There's always another opinion! Of course everything we post is opinion. It can only be that given that we don't have first-hand dealings with Quo and why what is done is done. But there is evidence to support my theories. The quote from Porter that you chose to ignore - "Quo is Quo, whatever the lineup" - suggests that the FF could play arenas and sell as many (if not more) tickets than CQ. The only problem is that the majority of the audience wouldn't like it, because the hits wouldn't get played. But, as I said, no-one except a handful of teenage girls go to see Quo because of Rhino, Andy or Leon. The line-up doesn't matter. The FF have been underpromoted time and time again, starting from the off. Anything FF got posted three or four times on FB while anything to do with Bula Quo was posted several times a day, several days a week. When the FF boxset was to be released in October 2013, Quo released the GGG single, which meant that the FF were ignored. The German arena dates in 2014 were very poorly promoted. It doesn't cost anything to post on FB, so why post more about one and not the other? The answer is that it's a case of what you say - "current Quo are Quo, and the FF is the past". But as soon as you post about the FF, whether you believe they are the past or not, they become current. IMO, Quo didn't want that and that is why posts about the FF were limited. Selling albums at gigs was probably seen as OK because the public didn't get to know about it. Airplay on Radio 2 is not indicative that you will sell albums. BTT and MO got playlisted for about ten weeks yet the album didn't climb in the charts. A title doesn't make ME want to buy an album any more or any less, but it decides how something is marketed. There's a reason why artists choose not to release albums with a similar title to the one before - it's bad practice. It makes no sense unless you're building up a trend - e.g. Led Zeppelin I-IV, Bat Out Of Hell I-III - to which you can exploit customers in later years with boxsets, etc. I don't think that's what's happened with Quo - it's laziness, IMO. Finally, the decision to promote everything with a one-size-fits-all approach is annoying, and at times, mis-guided. How does Quo faffing about aim to promote a serious rock song (i.e. TWT) or encourage people to care deeply about a cause (ITAN 2010)? Every man and their dog knows that Quo have a sense of humour. Why focus on it every bloody time?!! |
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Post by dennis on Feb 24, 2016 23:43:09 GMT
Are there really "a handful of teenage girls go to see Quo because of Rhino, Andy or Leon"?? Nieces, maybe?
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