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Post by frozenhero on Jun 16, 2023 7:38:33 GMT
Do we know the motivation behind these archive releases? I'd say it's "monetizing the assets". If you've got a band like Quo in your roster, you'd want to also make a profit off that, and these releases are a way of doing that. And yes, of course I'd like those classic recordings to be part of it, but that's probably not going to happen. Hoping for a couple of FF reunion shows, though. The same label did the same with a couple of Marillion live albums, which had previously only been released through their own label. I thought that was a nice idea (I got them all), but somebody who already had the original releases probably would find them pointless. Mind, those weren't remixed, only redesigned.
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Post by ant on Jun 16, 2023 7:44:44 GMT
We can only hope that they find some older FF stuff of (at least) broadcast quality to release. I doubt I'll be buying the later stuff - already got loads of it. I just hope that if the early releases are as uninteresting as this and they don't sell enough, that it doesn't put the record company off releasing more interesting stuff. It'd be really good if we could get a list of the releases and the release schedule. earMUSIC won't be touching anything prior to the 2000s as Quo don't own that catalogue, so I wouldn't bother hoping for much on that end Sigh The wait goes on! I doubt they'll get much of my money, then. Surely someone MUST see the value of at least one classic Quo release so could put some effort in to locate tapes or licence those from Rossi.
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Post by per on Jun 16, 2023 11:55:26 GMT
Hammy Saturday 2013 and Friday+Saturday 2014 would be brilliant to get as vinyl releases!
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Post by mortified on Jun 16, 2023 13:24:37 GMT
I'm not sure how the royalty thing works with these things either. Obviously, Matt and Rick were involved (despite the " 100% approved by the band" marketing nonsense). And if they did touch the reunion stuff, they'd have to consider Alan and John as well. Depends who controls the strings I suppose. And who signed what. And when. And under what pressure
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Post by railroad007 on Jun 16, 2023 14:40:19 GMT
I won't be getting involved in this stuff,my prism has gone a bit foggy.
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Post by frozenhero on Jun 16, 2023 19:18:12 GMT
I'm not sure how the royalty thing works with these things either. Obviously, Matt and Rick were involved (despite the " 100% approved by the band" marketing nonsense). And if they did touch the reunion stuff, they'd have to consider Alan and John as well. Depends who controls the strings I suppose. And who signed what. And when. And under what pressure It really only depends on who owns the recordings. In this case it's Status Quo (aka Francis), who've licensed them out to Edel (earmusic). Matt will get perfomance royalties from anything he's been on, the estates of Rick and Alan will get songwriting royalties from anything that features songs they've co-written.
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Post by Quoincidence on Jun 16, 2023 19:31:13 GMT
earMUSIC won't be touching anything prior to the 2000s as Quo don't own that catalogue, so I wouldn't bother hoping for much on that end Sigh The wait goes on! I doubt they'll get much of my money, then. Surely someone MUST see the value of at least one classic Quo release so could put some effort in to locate tapes or licence those from Rossi. It's essentially not profitable. The Quo fanbase is a dying fanbase, literally. The amount of money they would spend on someone trawling through the archives, digitising the tapes, checking the stems from the tapes to ensure there are no issues, mixing, mastering etc wouldn't even make a return from sales, as most people use streaming services for any form of releases these days and it's mainly collectors that still buy physical copies. Not forgetting the money spent on getting someone to design the artwork and licensing era specific photos of the band The only gigs they wouldn't have to trawl through the archives for are; Glasgow Apollo 27 / 28 / 29 October 1976 (or at least 2 of the shows anyway) Hammersmith Apollo 26th June 1979
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Post by Quoincidence on Jun 16, 2023 19:45:18 GMT
Is this only going to be for Live Here Now stuff? What happened to Hammersmith 1979? The tapes were baked and there was even a photo of it I think. PLease don't fumble this Quo, lot of good shit that could come out here surely. you mean this...?
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Post by ant on Jun 17, 2023 8:46:38 GMT
Sigh The wait goes on! I doubt they'll get much of my money, then. Surely someone MUST see the value of at least one classic Quo release so could put some effort in to locate tapes or licence those from Rossi. It's essentially not profitable. The Quo fanbase is a dying fanbase, literally. The amount of money they would spend on someone trawling through the archives, digitising the tapes, checking the stems from the tapes to ensure there are no issues, mixing, mastering etc wouldn't even make a return from sales, as most people use streaming services for any form of releases these days and it's mainly collectors that still buy physical copies. Not forgetting the money spent on getting someone to design the artwork and licensing era specific photos of the band The only gigs they wouldn't have to trawl through the archives for are; Glasgow Apollo 27 / 28 / 29 October 1976 (or at least 2 of the shows anyway) Hammersmith Apollo 26th June 1979 Yup, I understand all that, Luke. What I don't understand is how they do exactly that for other, less popular artists. And there are some (I would hazard a guess that you would be one of them - so would I) that would search for items free of charge (travel and subsistence would be nice ). And as you've said - there's a chunk of stuff in Rossi's personal archive which wouldn't cost anything.
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Post by mortified on Jun 17, 2023 9:22:34 GMT
The world has changed.
Back in the 70's, the constant gripe from artists was that touring wasn't profitable but they had to do it to promote their latest album because that's where the money was. Now, they say recording isn't profitable and the money is made from touring. Or at least from certain gigs like festivals etc.
This is presumably down to reduced income from music companies due, firstly, to downloads and now streaming. And only a certain few profit (very handsomely, it has to be said) from those mediums. But with downloading in particular it was very easy for people to find sites that offered the music for free. Much easier and accessible than the old bootleg way of doing things. So the rot presumably started there. Or maybe more likely with the advent of radio playlists which became much narrower.
I'm speculating, of course, because I know nothing about the music industry but that's how it all seems from the outside.
It is a pity but it seems that, unless it makes a real profit, no one is interested in getting stuff out for artistic merit alone. That's not naïve; I get it. It's just a shame this is how things have become. That only releases expected to be popular get a look in.
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Post by Quoincidence on Jun 17, 2023 17:52:12 GMT
It's essentially not profitable. The Quo fanbase is a dying fanbase, literally. The amount of money they would spend on someone trawling through the archives, digitising the tapes, checking the stems from the tapes to ensure there are no issues, mixing, mastering etc wouldn't even make a return from sales, as most people use streaming services for any form of releases these days and it's mainly collectors that still buy physical copies. Not forgetting the money spent on getting someone to design the artwork and licensing era specific photos of the band The only gigs they wouldn't have to trawl through the archives for are; Glasgow Apollo 27 / 28 / 29 October 1976 (or at least 2 of the shows anyway) Hammersmith Apollo 26th June 1979 Yup, I understand all that, Luke. What I don't understand is how they do exactly that for other, less popular artists. And there are some (I would hazard a guess that you would be one of them - so would I) that would search for items free of charge (travel and subsistence would be nice ). And as you've said - there's a chunk of stuff in Rossi's personal archive which wouldn't cost anything. It doesn't help that both UMG and BMG have trusted people before now that took advantage. A guy that worked on the 1998 remasters of the PYE era albums digitised the multitracks / alt mixes etc and kept said digitised copies to himself afterwards. These days he refuses to hand them over unless he is involved / reign over any projects that they are used for. He even turned down money that myself and someone else were willing to give him for them.
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Post by ant on Jun 19, 2023 15:19:00 GMT
Yup, I understand all that, Luke. What I don't understand is how they do exactly that for other, less popular artists. And there are some (I would hazard a guess that you would be one of them - so would I) that would search for items free of charge (travel and subsistence would be nice ). And as you've said - there's a chunk of stuff in Rossi's personal archive which wouldn't cost anything. It doesn't help that both UMG and BMG have trusted people before now that took advantage. A guy that worked on the 1998 remasters of the PYE era albums digitised the multitracks / alt mixes etc and kept said digitised copies to himself afterwards. These days he refuses to hand them over unless he is involved / reign over any projects that they are used for. He even turned down money that myself and someone else were willing to give him for them. Sounds like they need a better lawyer - the contract should have stated that the company kept all copyright including that for the digitised material - then they could get 'em back. And yu can't judge everyone based on one bad guy. But hey ho, it ain't gonna happen. Shame.
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Post by mortified on Jun 20, 2023 10:00:17 GMT
Anyone got a full track listing for this release?
Amazon tell you rock all (as usual) but I checked on "JPC" and the suggestion is there might only be 14 tracks as opposed to the 20 that were on the original CD. That's the vinyl anyway. The listing stops at Matt's drum solo.
But they may not have listed everything. However, 20 tracks on a remastered double album would be some feat.
Complete information seems limited.
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Post by quolion on Jun 20, 2023 10:39:06 GMT
Full Set newly remixed and remastered!
Disc 1 Intro (Live In Amsterdam, New 2023 Mix) Caroline (Live In Amsterdam, New 2023 Mix) Something 'Bout You Baby I Like (Live In Amsterdam, New 2023 Mix) Rain (Live In Amsterdam, New 2023 Mix) Don't Drive My Car (Live In Amsterdam, New 2023 Mix) Mean Girl (Live In Amsterdam, New 2023 Mix) Softer Ride (Live In Amsterdam, New 2023 Mix) Beginning Of The End (Live In Amsterdam, New 2023 Mix) Hold You Back (Live In Amsterdam, New 2023 Mix) The Proposing Medley (Live In Amsterdam, New 2023 Mix) The Oriental (Live In Amsterdam, New 2023 Mix) Creepin' Up On You (Live In Amsterdam, New 2023 Mix)
Disc 2 Living On An Island (Live In Amsterdam, New 2023 Mix) In The Army Now (Live In Amsterdam, New 2023 Mix) Drum Solo (Live In Amsterdam, New 2023 Mix) Roll Over Lay Down (Live In Amsterdam, New 2023 Mix) Down Down (Live In Amsterdam, New 2023 Mix) Whatever You Want (Live In Amsterdam, New 2023 Mix) Rockin' All Over The World (Live In Amsterdam, New 2023 Mix) Junior's Wailing (Live In Amsterdam, New 2023 Mix) Rock 'N' Roll Music / Bye Bye Johnny (Live In Amsterdam, New 2023 Mix)
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Post by freewilly on Jun 20, 2023 10:39:25 GMT
Anyone got a full track listing for this release? Amazon tell you rock all (as usual) but I checked on "JPC" and the suggestion is there might only be 14 tracks as opposed to the 20 that were on the original CD. That's the vinyl anyway. The listing stops at Matt's drum solo. But they may not have listed everything. However, 20 tracks on a remastered double album would be some feat. Complete information seems limited. From the official site... Status Quo – Official Archive Series Vol. 1 - Live In Amsterdam Album release: 11 August 2023 Formats: Ltd. 2CD Digipak Ltd. 3LP (Black Vinyl/180g/Gatefold) Digital Track listing: CD 1 1. Intro 2. Caroline 3. Something 'Bout You Baby I Like 4. Rain 5. Don't Drive My Car 6. Mean Girl 7. Softer Ride 8. Beginning Of The End 9. Hold You Back 10. The Proposing Medley 11. The Oriental 12. Creepin' Up On You CD 2 13. Living On An Island 14. In The Army Now 15. Drum Solo 16. Roll Over Lay Down 17. Down Down 18. Whatever You Want 19. Rockin' All Over The World 20. Junior's Wailing 21. Rock 'N' Roll Music / Bye Bye Johnny Vinyl Side Split: A: 1-4; B: 5-8 C: 9-11; D: 12-15 E: 16-18; F: 19-21
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