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Post by curiousgirl on Feb 6, 2016 11:49:17 GMT
Status Quo, in its current incarnation is for me a band of the hit parade and their best known works. And as most of this material was pre-mid 80s, they play early stuff. I don't feel its nostalgic for me as they sound very different to the band I got into with their early hits.
re: my love of the reunion gigs over current band. I loved the groove and sound of that previous line-up. What I heard was a chemistry a 'je ne sais quoi', that magic ingredient that makes me tingle when I hear them play together. It was there on the Hello Quo jam. It wasn't about thinking I was back in the past or that they were as good as those early gigs. It was the love in the room for the sound, those musicians back together and the memories that made them unbeatable.
And I agree that the set-list would have been as static whatever lineup. It was ever thus for a band so aptly named, Status Quo'
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2016 14:04:28 GMT
I think that the FF embraced set list change (with each new album they released and subsequent tour) and a bolder approach and attitude in general to gigs than CQ. I cannot see how the two incarnations can be compared in this respect in my opinion
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Post by Detroit on Feb 6, 2016 15:29:18 GMT
I don't care if you know a song by him or not. You are much to sensitive. oh, extreme? Anything goes around here. You should know that. Thanks for telling me what I am and what I should be. By the way, it's "too" and not "to". how childish.
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Post by curiousgirl on Feb 6, 2016 18:19:53 GMT
Status Quo, in its current incarnation is for me a band of the hit parade and their best known works. And as most of this material was pre-mid 80s, they play early stuff. I don't feel its nostalgic for me as they sound very different to the band I got into with their early hits. re: my love of the reunion gigs over current band. I loved the groove and sound of that previous line-up. What I heard was a chemistry a 'je ne sais quoi', that magic ingredient that makes me tingle when I hear them play together. It was there on the Hello Quo jam. It wasn't about thinking I was back in the past or that they were as good as those early gigs. It was the love in the room for the sound, those musicians back together and the memories that made them unbeatable. And I agree that the set-list would have been as static whatever lineup. It was ever thus for a band so aptly named, Status Quo' Je ne sais Quo - you just named the new album CG ! Well I'd buy that. Would you Gates?... especially if its got an accordion on it...
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Post by curiousgirl on Feb 6, 2016 18:28:58 GMT
Well I'd buy that. Would you Gates?... especially if its got an accordion on it... Oh I'll buy anything. Even Jazz LP's I bought Accept No... yesterday. £5. Well why wouldn't you at that price. And I love a bit of jazz too.
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Post by frozenhero on Feb 8, 2016 11:51:29 GMT
I think that the FF embraced set list change (with each new album they released and subsequent tour) and a bolder approach and attitude in general to gigs than CQ. I cannot see how the two incarnations can be compared in this respect in my opinion Erm.... no. The set list became pretty fixed early on. It got more and more like that the more classic material they had at hand, and it was a continuous development that led all the way to what we have now.
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Post by curiousgirl on Feb 8, 2016 12:01:03 GMT
I think that the FF embraced set list change (with each new album they released and subsequent tour) and a bolder approach and attitude in general to gigs than CQ. I cannot see how the two incarnations can be compared in this respect in my opinion Erm.... no. The set list became pretty fixed early on. It got more and more like that the more classic material they had at hand, and it was a continuous development that led all the way to what we have now. Yes, I was surprised to look back on the old gig lists at how fixed the set was even then. As it was all new to me in those days, I didn't care. But I might have 20 years down the line.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2016 12:13:35 GMT
I think that the FF embraced set list change (with each new album they released and subsequent tour) and a bolder approach and attitude in general to gigs than CQ. I cannot see how the two incarnations can be compared in this respect in my opinion Erm.... no. The set list became pretty fixed early on. It got more and more like that the more classic material they had at hand, and it was a continuous development that led all the way to what we have now. 'Erm'... Its rather a matter of opinion isn't it, and we will have to differ.
I can remember clearly how the FF live act evolved - there was far more spontaneity and ad libbing than seen with CQ. Albeit there was more flexibility at a CQ gig in their earliest days (as well as around the HT period) than there is now. Unfortunately, the inspiration taken at the time of the HT period has never been repeated or renewed since, and it has renaged further and further into a greatest hits fest.
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Post by frozenhero on Feb 8, 2016 14:15:41 GMT
Erm.... no. The set list became pretty fixed early on. It got more and more like that the more classic material they had at hand, and it was a continuous development that led all the way to what we have now. 'Erm'... Its rather a matter of opinion isn't it, and we will have to differ.
I can remember clearly how the FF live act evolved - there was far more spontaneity and ad libbing than seen with CQ. Albeit there was more flexibility at a CQ gig in their earliest days (as well as around the HT period) than there is now. Unfortunately, the inspiration taken at the time of the HT period has never been repeated or renewed since, and it has renaged further and further into a greatest hits fest.
And how much spontaneity and ad libbing was there on the reunion tours?
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Post by frozenhero on Feb 8, 2016 14:16:23 GMT
Thanks for telling me what I am and what I should be. By the way, it's "too" and not "to". how childish. boo hoo, nobody's talking me serious...
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Post by curiousgirl on Feb 8, 2016 14:26:26 GMT
'Erm'... Its rather a matter of opinion isn't it, and we will have to differ.
I can remember clearly how the FF live act evolved - there was far more spontaneity and ad libbing than seen with CQ. Albeit there was more flexibility at a CQ gig in their earliest days (as well as around the HT period) than there is now. Unfortunately, the inspiration taken at the time of the HT period has never been repeated or renewed since, and it has renaged further and further into a greatest hits fest.
And how much spontaneity and ad libbing was there on the reunion tours? Interesting question and I think there was some. I've heard the Oberhausen gig and Alan starts speaking in German and Francis teases him about it. I don't know if that happened at any of the other German gigs. There were stories that Francis told at Hammersmith which vary each at each gig. What they did not do was any of the audience participation of old. We were all desperate for them to do the jig again. Some of the audience even made banners. But that had no effect even though there appeared to be some kind band meeting to discuss it.
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Post by frozenhero on Feb 8, 2016 14:32:03 GMT
Status Quo, in its current incarnation is for me a band of the hit parade and their best known works. And as most of this material was pre-mid 80s, they play early stuff. I don't feel its nostalgic for me as they sound very different to the band I got into with their early hits. re: my love of the reunion gigs over current band. I loved the groove and sound of that previous line-up. What I heard was a chemistry a 'je ne sais quoi', that magic ingredient that makes me tingle when I hear them play together. It was there on the Hello Quo jam. It wasn't about thinking I was back in the past or that they were as good as those early gigs. It was the love in the room for the sound, those musicians back together and the memories that made them unbeatable. And I agree that the set-list would have been as static whatever lineup. It was ever thus for a band so aptly named, Status Quo' This post, even if it is written from a different standpoint than mine, and even if it is rather short compared to others', is excellent. I am even going so far as to majorly agreeing with your assessment of the Hello Quo reunion. In my opinion, this short feature (I just watched it again last week) has tons more atmosphere, spontaneity and - yes - groove going on. They go into all kinds of songs from days of yore (Gloria etc.) and don't really care to model anything after the Live album (or to please anybody, as they're really just playing for themselves). When I see the reunion DVDs though, they appear just as staged to me as any CQ live gig, and the playing seems to be stiffer. Plus, when you already model yourselves after the classic live album, it just makes it more obvious when John keeps messing up his fills and breaks. And that's where the original premise of the thread becomes important again, because if you extract the nostalgia factor out of the shows, how much actually remains? A couple of live premieres, sure, but not nearly as much as would have been necessary to give the impression of a band that can evolve and create again.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2016 18:03:47 GMT
'Erm'... Its rather a matter of opinion isn't it, and we will have to differ.
I can remember clearly how the FF live act evolved - there was far more spontaneity and ad libbing than seen with CQ. Albeit there was more flexibility at a CQ gig in their earliest days (as well as around the HT period) than there is now. Unfortunately, the inspiration taken at the time of the HT period has never been repeated or renewed since, and it has renaged further and further into a greatest hits fest.
And how much spontaneity and ad libbing was there on the reunion tours? Well, it seems that one version of an answer has been given already, which would not be the same as my own - but I will still answer it as you directly quoted me.
I was clearly referring to the FF as they were in the 70's in my previous post and not specifically to the reunion, but you took that out of context and asked me a question about the reunion, without commenting on my actual answer.
However, in respect of the reunion it is just as simple to answer anyway:
The very fact that the FF members came together after 30 yrs apart and played together with some songs in the set that would have been unfamiliar enough (live) even back in the 70's and 80's is surely as refreshing and spontaneous as any fan could hope for all these yrs later. And in striking contrast to the samey safety first approach of CQ.
Trying to take the two reunion tours and argue that the FF approach is no different to CQ, as was posted earlier in this thread, is something of a straw-man because 30 yrs apart and consolidating a new set over two tours (as the reunited FF did) is hardly the same as CQ being 30 yrs together, touring year in and year out, and playing a largely samey, predestinately approached set for several yrs.
I consider myself to have a very open mind and balanced in terms of opinions when it comes to Quo, and its history. Prior to the reunions I had a much more sanguine approach to CQ in terms of their live act. However, for me, the reunions were something I will very happily admit to not expecting to come along. I was very happy to be completely wrong. Having suddenly the original members gigs as a benchmark once again to compare CQ with after 30 yrs of nothing to compare them against, I was struck by the differences between them both, and the effect the new perspective these gigs offered had on changing my opinions was very profound.
This profound change of perspective is/was actually enhanced further because of the health limitations and potential restrictions placed on the original members through being under rehearsed. As stated before, I would rather have a slightly frayed at the edge performance 'technically' but one that has a same vibe that echoes of the past glorious instincts that existed between the four original members, than a technically polished but over rehearsed and manufactured performance that is a copy of the past, rather than emulating its own style and product as I believe CQ should do much more. And CQ do largely ignore their own product. That particular point cannot be disputed in my opinion - whatever reasons are given for them doing so.
We can all agree or disagree in opinions over this and other matters, but we also cannot change opinions by attempting to take others thoughts and views into a different context. However, what we can do is readily change opinions when events come along that provide a whole new perspective to look at things and make sudden new comparisons.
I happily look back at my own changes of opinion since 2013 and can see clearly now the points that many fans were trying to make before the reunions. They have, as I see it at least, proved to be closer to the mark than I have been - and that has to be welcomed.
But as stated, I have the reunions to thank for enabling me to gain that better perspective.
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Post by frozenhero on Feb 8, 2016 18:23:04 GMT
I'm tired and have no desire to read through all of this. (and I'm certainly not the first on this thread to have twisted arguments!) I have never questioned that the original FF were a lot more spontaneous in terms of live performance. To ignore that would be silly and I thought this was a given among Quo fans. However, the setlist itself wasn't too flexible even back in the day, as curiousgirl has confirmed. How many songs from BFY are there on Live? How many songs from QPQ were played on its tour?
For me personally, the reunion tours were lacking a lot of what made those original Quo performances great - mainly the improvisations and the inspired playing. And with even the tightness and preciseness of the CQ rhythm section (at least with Matt) lacking, there simply wasn't too much left for me besides nostalgia. Which was the thread title.
I know Rick has referred to CQ after the first reunion as "Quo Light".
To me personally, the reunion version of the FF though is "Quo Zero".
Neither are "the real thing". But one of them is simply doing what they have been doing for years, and has settled into a nice comfortable (some might say too comfortable) groove, and the other one was trying to recreate something that had originally come about completely naturally, and therefore always feels more or less 'artificial' to me.
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