quodec
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Post by quodec on Oct 6, 2021 19:15:02 GMT
DOTH was released almost 50 years ago and officially did not chart. A search through the UK top 50 album lists (www.officialcharts.com) in November and December 1971 show no charting position for the album. Yet Francis in his 2019 autobiography 'I Talk Too Much' suggests (on page 89) that, 'I always wonder if it (DOTH) was so bloody good why it was such a commercial flop. Yes, it managed to get a foothold in the Top 30, but only for a couple of weeks before disappearing down the ladder again.' So, is he mis-remembering, thinking of another chart (German?) or perhaps some other PYE release? Curious!
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Post by dennis on Oct 6, 2021 20:56:47 GMT
maybe it hit the lower reaches of one of those charts not considered to be the "official" chart, in the same way the Beatles Please Please Me was a number 1 single in every chart but the one deemed "official"
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Oct 6, 2021 21:38:41 GMT
DOTH was released almost 50 years ago and officially did not chart. A search through the UK top 50 album lists (www.officialcharts.com) in November and December 1971 show no charting position for the album. Yet Francis in his 2019 autobiography 'I Talk Too Much' suggests (on page 89) that, 'I always wonder if it (DOTH) was so bloody good why it was such a commercial flop. Yes, it managed to get a foothold in the Top 30, but only for a couple of weeks before disappearing down the ladder again.' So, is he mis-remembering, thinking of another chart (German?) or perhaps some other PYE release? Curious! Francis is forgetting that Pye did shit promotion for it. If DOTH had been on Vertigo it would probably have been thier first top 10 album. |
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Post by cammythemortonfan on Oct 6, 2021 22:10:42 GMT
I often wonder if in the 70s Dog sold enough to go silver or gold .
I can imagine as Quo’s popularity grew, folk would used bought it after hearing Hello, Quo etc.
I’d course the record company probably didn’t inform the BPI.
Same with Pildedriver which was released before the awards came into being.
But it had such a long chart run that I bet it should have had a gold disc too
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Post by roadhouse on Mar 26, 2024 14:49:36 GMT
Something always baffled me about DOTH is the fact Na Na Na was repeated on this album, all be it shorter versions each time.
I have never seen this on an album before from any artists.
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ant
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Post by ant on Mar 26, 2024 15:09:45 GMT
Something always baffled me about DOTH is the fact Na Na Na was repeated on this album, all be it shorter versions each time. I have never seen this on an album before from any artists. It gets longer each time, I believe. Never seen it before but The Western Sizzlers did it on their second album - they are Quo fans so I would guess that they were well aware of DOTH and did it as some sort of homage (or for a laugh). |
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mortified
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Post by mortified on Mar 26, 2024 15:22:42 GMT
Something always baffled me about DOTH is the fact Na Na Na was repeated on this album, all be it shorter versions each time. I have never seen this on an album before from any artists. It was the year of pretension  It seems daft now but at the time I dare say it was quite the thing. But you do see it occasionally where bands repeat a track and stick the word "reprise" in brackets next to it. Famous In The Last Century did it as well, although I guess it sort of book-ended the album, so you can sort of see the logic. Despite what Francis says, the quality of an album will never dictate it's chart position. Music is too subjective for that. I mean, look at Bat Out Of Hell |
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Post by cammythemortonfan on Mar 26, 2024 15:59:07 GMT
Something always baffled me about DOTH is the fact Na Na Na was repeated on this album, all be it shorter versions each time. I have never seen this on an album before from any artists. It gets longer each time, I believe. Never seen it before but The Western Sizzlers did it on their second album - they are Quo fans so I would guess that they were well aware of DOTH and did it as some sort of homage (or for a laugh). Charlie Starr of Blackberry Smoke plays on their version of Break the Rules |
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col
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Post by col on Mar 26, 2024 16:01:02 GMT
Something always baffled me about DOTH is the fact Na Na Na was repeated on this album, all be it shorter versions each time. I have never seen this on an album before from any artists. It was the year of pretension It seems daft now but at the time I dare say it was quite the thing. But you do see it occasionally where bands repeat a track and stick the word "reprise" in brackets next to it. Famous In The Last Century did it as well, although I guess it sort of book-ended the album, so you can sort of see the logic. Despite what ANYONE says, the quality of an album will never dictate it's chart position. Music is too subjective for that. I mean, look at Bat Out Of Hell Quo are the most mainstream thing I listen to, and the stuff that really hits the mainstream seldom does it for me. |
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Post by dennis on Mar 26, 2024 16:03:23 GMT
NaNaNa was just padding because the album was really a track short, imo
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Post by gerh on Mar 26, 2024 18:07:09 GMT
Aye, shite padding ‘twas too. Maybe a throwback to pre- ‘Rock’ SQ.
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Post by allyp on Mar 26, 2024 19:22:55 GMT
Not sure how the album charts worked then. None of Quo’s albums properly charted until piledriver looking at the history. Albums such as ma kellys and Dog of two head must have sold some units??
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Post by backwater67 on Mar 26, 2024 20:42:10 GMT
Pretty sure back in 1971 the album chart was based on a top 50 only. Certifications were based on £ value sold. Silver was sales over £75k & gold £150k. DOTH didn’t make the top 50 although sales would’ve been steady as Quo toured continuously. Maybe 1500 units per week, not enough for top 50 or £75k worth of sales.
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mortified
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Post by mortified on Mar 27, 2024 6:33:46 GMT
I'm working from memory hear but in 1971, the music papers only published the weekly top 30; singles and albums. Although the music business publications may have gone a bit further, I don't know. But as far as the public were concerned, it was the top 30.
The top 40, as it became known, was quite a few years later. No idea why it changed. Or precisely when. But Top of the Pops suddenly extended their charts by 10 at some point.
Quo were still building a following via the live circuit in 1971 and hadn't had a hit single since In My Chair, so I can't see how the Dog was ever going to chart. Vertigo and Paper Plane changed everything.
As for the Na Na Na thing, you do wonder why they didn't just stick Tune To The Music on there. Mean Girl was never a single until after they'd moved away from PYE.
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col
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Post by col on Mar 27, 2024 10:20:33 GMT
I'm working from memory hear but in 1971, the music papers only published the weekly top 30; singles and albums. Although the music business publications may have gone a bit further, I don't know. But as far as the public were concerned, it was the top 30. The top 40, as it became known, was quite a few years later. No idea why it changed. Or precisely when. But Top of the Pops suddenly extended their charts by 10 at some point. Quo were still building a following via the live circuit in 1971 and hadn't had a hit single since In My Chair, so I can't see how the Dog was ever going to chart. Vertigo and Paper Plane changed everything. As for the Na Na Na thing, you do wonder why they didn't just stick Tune To The Music on there. Mean Girl was never a single until after they'd moved away from PYE. Shifting Sands was the song that should have been on The Dog. Tune To The Music I really do love, but it's sonically different, it would have to have been a different recording, in my opinion, of course. I read somewhere The Dog made No:12 in Norway or Sweden (or another Scandinavian country). |
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