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Post by matt on Jul 24, 2024 7:56:16 GMT
I think it’s an ok song but it’s all over in the first five seconds with that ludicrous intro
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Post by ant on Jul 24, 2024 10:42:29 GMT
If I recall correctly, originally, the single version was meant to be on the Tim Turan remaster in 2006. But the record company (or whoever) cocked it up and just repeated the album version. I personally haven't ever listened to it because I'm not keen on the album and a remaster was never going to encourage me to check it out. But I believe that was the case judging by numerous comments on the old message board. Wasn't the originally released version of B2B with the repeated album version replaced by the record company? I've got the album but I don't have two versions of the disk and I most certainly would have asked for a replacement. I can't imagine I chucked the first version, but I might have - long time ago now. Another glorious episode in the pathetic record company management of Quo's back catalogue. Same with the NEC release which had to have a replacement disc sent out.
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Post by mortified on Jul 24, 2024 11:27:07 GMT
If I recall correctly, originally, the single version was meant to be on the Tim Turan remaster in 2006. But the record company (or whoever) cocked it up and just repeated the album version. I personally haven't ever listened to it because I'm not keen on the album and a remaster was never going to encourage me to check it out. But I believe that was the case judging by numerous comments on the old message board. Wasn't the originally released version of B2B with the repeated album version replaced by the record company? I've got the album but I don't have two versions of the disk and I most certainly would have asked for a replacement. I can't imagine I chucked the first version, but I might have - long time ago now. Another glorious episode in the pathetic record company management of Quo's back catalogue. Same with the NEC release which had to have a replacement disc sent out. As did the Just Doin' It CD which came with the DVD and turned out be in mono! You couldn't make such incompetence up 🙄
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Post by roquer on Jul 24, 2024 12:16:15 GMT
I maybe talking dumb here, but I been comparing the two versions of GDTT closely with high quality headphones, and to me the version on B2B sounds like the drums are from a drum machine. I think Quo first experimented with that on Riverside. And I listened closely to the new version and sounds more like Pete Kircher on drums as the rhythm is slightly played slower and more deliberate. This has probably been debated many times before, so apologies if it has. I did a "multitrack" with an AI, and even the re-recorded version it's a drum machine, the bass is a synth, the only one working there is Francis and maybe Andy, but that's it.
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Post by roadhouse on Jul 24, 2024 12:25:48 GMT
Its no biggy, I understand GDTT is definitely no 45 hundred times, but I was merely observing that to my ears the new version or re recorded version sounds more like its played by the band, and less mechanical if I'm making sense.
I would have prefered it if they lessened or ommited that screeching keyboard sound all together, but lets be fair it was 1984 and sadly keyboards took over lots of bands.
So basically the re-recorded version was a massive improvement to me, but it would have been even better if we could hear a more guitar based sound. The added guitar solo in hindsight was a lame attempt at pleasing the fans, but collectively with the slightly slowed down pace, and the fact it sounds like Kircher on drums instead of a drum machine, and the albeit lame attempt at adding a guitar solo worked enough for me at the time.
Makes me sound easily pleased, but at the time I was only 15, and I'm not sure we were so critical as fans at that age. 🤔 😉
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Post by roadhouse on Jul 24, 2024 12:28:04 GMT
I maybe talking dumb here, but I been comparing the two versions of GDTT closely with high quality headphones, and to me the version on B2B sounds like the drums are from a drum machine. I think Quo first experimented with that on Riverside. And I listened closely to the new version and sounds more like Pete Kircher on drums as the rhythm is slightly played slower and more deliberate. This has probably been debated many times before, so apologies if it has. I did a "multitrack" with an AI, and even the re-recorded version it's a drum machine, the bass is a synth, the only one working there is Francis and maybe Andy, but that's it. I wouldn't trust AI to replicate it into a rockier version with a real drum sound. Incidentally what AI software did you use?
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Post by dennis on Jul 24, 2024 12:43:35 GMT
maybe it would have worked better if Status Quo had recorded it
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Post by mortified on Jul 24, 2024 13:02:35 GMT
I would have prefered it if they lessened or ommited that screeching keyboard sound all together, but lets be fair it was 1984 and sadly keyboards took over lots of bands.That's very true but other bands seemed to use them to better effect. Look at Van Halen, just as one example, with Jump. The likes of Budgie and Judas Priest also used them much better and much more sparingly. None of us will have anything against keyboards (I presume) because that would be daft. Where would Deep Purple and Rainbow have been without them? It's HOW they're used more than anything else. Quo had used them very well in the past on songs like Rain but someone thought it was a great idea to replace a main guitar riff with a synth. Wrong move. He dictated with no authority or musical background whatsoever
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Post by roquer on Jul 24, 2024 15:09:35 GMT
I did a "multitrack" with an AI, and even the re-recorded version it's a drum machine, the bass is a synth, the only one working there is Francis and maybe Andy, but that's it. I wouldn't trust AI to replicate it into a rockier version with a real drum sound. Incidentally what AI software did you use? I think the software is credible, other songs you could hear more things from the drums that I never payed attention to, like the bass drum. One of them is this: fadr.com/remix
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Post by roadhouse on Jul 24, 2024 18:11:20 GMT
I would have prefered it if they lessened or ommited that screeching keyboard sound all together, but lets be fair it was 1984 and sadly keyboards took over lots of bands.That's very true but other bands seemed to use them to better effect. Look at Van Halen, just as one example, with Jump. The likes of Budgie and Judas Priest also used them much better and much more sparingly. None of us will have anything against keyboards (I presume) because that would be daft. Where would Deep Purple and Rainbow have been without them? It's HOW they're used more than anything else. Quo had used them very well in the past on songs like Rain but someone thought it was a great idea to replace a main guitar riff with a synth. Wrong move. He dictated with no authority or musical background whatsoever Thats very true. Jump is one of my favourite rock songs. I remember Thin Lizzy fans hating their Renegade album as keyboards really dominated the production, and it was their first major flop album, a bit like Quo's Perfect Remedy in terms of a worrying flop. Another incidence I remember was when Iron Maiden always bragged that there was no synths or keyboards in our music, yet by 1986 on the Somewhere in time album synths are all over it. That said I agree with if put to good use, and used properly it works perfectly. Personally in the Thin Lizzy situation I didn't have a problem with it, but I know a lot of fans thought it kinda cheapened their sound as they always had a particular twin guitar sound which was special. Another classic case of trying to fix something that wasn't broken, yet try to follow a trend. Bad move. I have to confess, I know I was defending the re recorded version of GDTT, and I'm in fear of sounding a hypocrite, but thinking about it I cant compare it to anything else it sounds similar to, I mean other artists or anything. It sounds more like something that would be pumped out of those Wurlitzer machines at a fair ground. What was Francis thinking of, and how could he get away with it? I can only assume it was his reality was heavily affected by the white stuff he was sniffing. But then was management on the old marching powder too? If you play the first few seconds of Throw her a line, its very close to the type of sound I was refering to pumping out of a fair ground machine, its a bit like the keyboard sound on GDTT. So it took a while for Francis to shake it off 😴
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Post by Quoincidence on Jul 24, 2024 20:04:20 GMT
If I recall correctly, originally, the single version was meant to be on the Tim Turan remaster in 2006. But the record company (or whoever) cocked it up and just repeated the album version. I personally haven't ever listened to it because I'm not keen on the album and a remaster was never going to encourage me to check it out. But I believe that was the case judging by numerous comments on the old message board. Wasn't the originally released version of B2B with the repeated album version replaced by the record company? I've got the album but I don't have two versions of the disk and I most certainly would have asked for a replacement. I can't imagine I chucked the first version, but I might have - long time ago now. Another glorious episode in the pathetic record company management of Quo's back catalogue. Same with the NEC release which had to have a replacement disc sent out. Yes, it was replaced. I was lucky enough to get the corrected version of this release when I bought an un-opened copy the other year.
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Post by backwater67 on Jul 25, 2024 9:31:30 GMT
It’s no classic although I don’t mind it & the re-recorded version is an improvement on the album version. Decent artwork on the sleeve, especially the reverse side 👍. Originally the B side Too close to the ground was going to be the official single release & not Going down town tonight. Probably would’ve been a better choice.
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Post by curiousgirl on Jul 25, 2024 16:23:59 GMT
Can't say I'm a fan of either version. But reminded me of this track. It doesn't have the synths but they both have that Europop vibe.
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Post by roadhouse on Jul 25, 2024 17:58:34 GMT
Can't say I'm a fan of either version. But reminded me of this track. It doesn't have the synths but they both have that Europop vibe. Yeah I can see where your going with that 👍
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Post by theprogfather on Jul 25, 2024 21:39:42 GMT
I'm not convinced the re-recorded version was ever released on any pressing of 12 Gold Bars II, the LP was never re-released as far as I'm aware so how could the re-recording get on it?
I've never ever heard or read about a pressing with it on so that's why I don't believe it exists.
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