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Post by frozenhero on Nov 19, 2020 21:52:35 GMT
I'm sure someone can back me up here, but wasn't John actually told (maybe around the time of the RAOTW album) to play more straight in the studio? For some reason "Don't Drive My Car" also comes to mind as an example of how bored he became (possibly quoted by himself)...
So i can't help thinking his drumming wouldn't have been so far removed from what Pete did on 1+9+8+2, just with a slightly heavier feel. You could see what was happening on the previous album. "Enough Is Enough" for example, sounds very much like a Pete Kircher performance to me. Most of that album's songs had fairly pedestrian drum parts to my ears.
I actually think that his best drumming in Quo was Live+Quo and Rockin' All Over The World onwards. But what I'm talking about is even when Coghlan played a straight beat there was something to it, it was almost a little shuffle blended in there. I strongly believe that a song like Doesn't Matter would have been amazing and a big difference to what Kircher did. There's a LinnDrum on some of the 1982 tunes, I think Doesn't Matter is one of them. Maybe they added some real drums too but it's certainly way too metronomic (and yes, that aspect had been creeping in over the previous 2 albums).
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Post by twentytwenty on Nov 19, 2020 22:15:15 GMT
I actually think that his best drumming in Quo was Live+Quo and Rockin' All Over The World onwards. But what I'm talking about is even when Coghlan played a straight beat there was something to it, it was almost a little shuffle blended in there. I strongly believe that a song like Doesn't Matter would have been amazing and a big difference to what Kircher did. There's a LinnDrum on some of the 1982 tunes, I think Doesn't Matter is one of them. Maybe they added some real drums too but it's certainly way too metronomic (and yes, that aspect had been creeping in over the previous 2 albums). You know, I've suspected something like this for a long time. It sounds alright though
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Post by cammythemortonfan on Nov 20, 2020 23:09:15 GMT
The riff in Thinking of You is great but the rest of the song, especially the verses isn’t as good in my opinion.
I was lucky enough to see them perform this live in Croydon.
It was unusual for Quo to play a new single straight away.
I always found it funny that the better of the two new tracks at the time , You’m Come Round , didn’t get played.
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Post by MrWaistcoat on Nov 21, 2020 18:10:42 GMT
The riff in Thinking of You is great but the rest of the song, especially the verses isn’t as good in my opinion. I was lucky enough to see them perform this live in Croydon. It was unusual for Quo to play a new single straight away. I always found it funny that the better of the two new tracks at the time , You’m Come Round , didn’t get played. Great example of how frustrating they've been for so long. Really good single remix for TOY,but nowhere as good on the album version most fans would have.same with all that counts Expect the band feared YCR would be a plodder
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Post by cammythemortonfan on Nov 22, 2020 14:09:56 GMT
The riff in Thinking of You is great but the rest of the song, especially the verses isn’t as good in my opinion. I was lucky enough to see them perform this live in Croydon. It was unusual for Quo to play a new single straight away. I always found it funny that the better of the two new tracks at the time , You’m Come Round , didn’t get played. Great example of how frustrating they've been for so long. Really good single remix for TOY,but nowhere as good on the album version most fans would have.same with all that counts Expect the band feared YCR would be a plodder Totally agreed- the remix of TOY and YCR sounded so much better
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Post by frozenhero on Nov 23, 2020 22:53:51 GMT
Which is why I hope those remixes will be on a future CD Quoincidence
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Post by mortified on Nov 24, 2020 8:22:38 GMT
The riff in Thinking of You is great but the rest of the song, especially the verses isn’t as good in my opinion. I was lucky enough to see them perform this live in Croydon. It was unusual for Quo to play a new single straight away. I always found it funny that the better of the two new tracks at the time , You’ll Come Round , didn’t get played. Yeah, You'll Come Round was streets ahead and was actually the best single they'd released in a very long time. It probably remains their best single since maybe the early 80's. If memory serves me correctly, Francis played it on his solo tour. The version on the XS All Areas album was very flat by comparison. I dare say there was a technical reason for that. But it should have been remedied.
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Post by roquer on Nov 24, 2020 20:29:24 GMT
I can't stand the single versions of Thinking of You and You'll Come 'Round. Just too harsh with a lot of clipping. Even in the vinyl single the first time I've heard them I thought that the stylus of the turntable was broken. I'm surprised that I'm the only one complaining about this...Maybe my ears are delicated
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Post by charles on Nov 24, 2020 22:36:02 GMT
I can't stand the single versions of Thinking of You and You'll Come 'Round. Just too harsh with a lot of clipping. Even in the vinyl single the first time I've heard them I thought that the stylus of the turntable was broken. I'm surprised that I'm the only one complaining about this...Maybe my ears are delicated If they were also compressed, FH is your go-to man
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Post by sqcollector on Nov 25, 2020 0:14:36 GMT
I can't stand the single versions of Thinking of You and You'll Come 'Round. Just too harsh with a lot of clipping. Even in the vinyl single the first time I've heard them I thought that the stylus of the turntable was broken. I'm surprised that I'm the only one complaining about this...Maybe my ears are delicated Yeah, especially the TOY single version. It's completely unlistenable in the CD Single. But that's about mastering, mostlikely (unless the mix result was already compressed). If uncompressed masters exist, I hope they get released soon! Listening to these songs (their single mix) without noise getting in a way would be a nice point in their favour. I don't dislike the versions that came in the XS compilation. I think they sound more natural (less processed), but yeah, a bit duller. They are also very compressed there, by the way. But are better compressed than the single versions. Those are just horrible. The single mix of TOY has several parts with more than 60 straight samples (60!!) clipping! (considering the CD rip (i.e., redbook standard)) It's even poorer than the POMM that was released in 1999.
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Post by mortified on Nov 25, 2020 8:49:20 GMT
I obviously have cotton wool in my ears All I hear with the CD single version of You'll Come Round is a very good track indeed. And all I hear with the album version is the same track but considerably duller - and all the less listenable for it. The only compression I'm detecting at the moment is in my back, as my age is now dictating that I should have a touch of sciatica Probably caused by decades of jumping about to this bl00dy band This is one of those rare occasions when I DO wish it was duller
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Post by MrWaistcoat on Nov 25, 2020 9:49:10 GMT
Like it or not
A good example of really good bits and bad bits together in one song. Great riff and instrumental parts. Every now and then it tails off into the boring "don't be scared of the future bit"
I think the old Quo tended to work on each others songs ,whereas the new band just Quo'd up the demo. This song could have been very very good.
Hold me I'm tired now,off to adjust my girth
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Post by frozenhero on Nov 26, 2020 10:38:11 GMT
I can't stand the single versions of Thinking of You and You'll Come 'Round. Just too harsh with a lot of clipping. Even in the vinyl single the first time I've heard them I thought that the stylus of the turntable was broken. I'm surprised that I'm the only one complaining about this...Maybe my ears are delicated If they were also compressed, FH is your go-to man Clipping is one of the issues summed under the umbrella of "loudness wars". (The other being old-school type compression and modern "brickwall" limiting.) In fact, most commercial rock and pop releases since the late 90s have had a lot of clipping, there's some shocking analysis on the web. (Yes, Deep Purple ran tapes into the red, as did Quo, but that's analogue - nowhere near as harsh as digital clipping.) I can't stand the single versions of Thinking of You and You'll Come 'Round. Just too harsh with a lot of clipping. Even in the vinyl single the first time I've heard them I thought that the stylus of the turntable was broken. I'm surprised that I'm the only one complaining about this...Maybe my ears are delicated Yeah, especially the TOY single version. It's completely unlistenable in the CD Single. But that's about mastering, mostlikely (unless the mix result was already compressed). If uncompressed masters exist, I hope they get released soon! Listening to these songs (their single mix) without noise getting in a way would be a nice point in their favour. I don't dislike the versions that came in the XS compilation. I think they sound more natural (less processed), but yeah, a bit duller. They are also very compressed there, by the way. But are better compressed than the single versions. Those are just horrible. The single mix of TOY has several parts with more than 60 straight samples (60!!) clipping! (considering the CD rip (i.e., redbook standard)) It's even poorer than the POMM that was released in 1999. Ouch. If that is the case... the 1999 POMM comes in at an unbelievably low DR of 3 (!!!). I thought that was the poorest mastering released by Quo. Hopefully the pre-mastering mixes still exist.
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Post by sqcollector on Nov 26, 2020 17:02:30 GMT
Ouch. If that is the case... the 1999 POMM comes in at an unbelievably low DR of 3 (!!!). I thought that was the poorest mastering released by Quo. This version of TOY has a DR of 4. The DR values don't say anything by themselves. They are very inaccurate to assert if a song has compression or not. You can compress the heck out of a song and have a DR of 15, for example. You just compressed at RMS level and it has no dynamics at all; yet, it still has transients (boosting the DR value). Yep! I hope better versions of these single mixes get released soon, somewhere!
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Post by frozenhero on Nov 27, 2020 22:51:05 GMT
Ouch. If that is the case... the 1999 POMM comes in at an unbelievably low DR of 3 (!!!). I thought that was the poorest mastering released by Quo. You can compress the heck out of a song and have a DR of 15, for example. You just compressed at RMS level and it has no dynamics at all; yet, it still has transients (boosting the DR value). I've never ever come across a case of that. I'm also not sure how you would technically achieve that, and what would be the point of that.
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