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Post by freewilly on Nov 1, 2020 17:32:48 GMT
Assume that was dubbed in after? Yeah. They didn't start using stage tapes until 1977 and that was just for the Intro / Outro Drones Was thinking. The tempo isn't the same the whole way through and they didn't have click tracks back then. Also, what's the story with the double mics?
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Post by Quoincidence on Nov 1, 2020 17:50:58 GMT
Yeah. They didn't start using stage tapes until 1977 and that was just for the Intro / Outro Drones Was thinking. The tempo isn't the same the whole way through and they didn't have click tracks back then.Β Also, what's the story with the double mics?Β 1 mic being captured straight to the tape and the other going out to the P.A.
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Post by roquer on Nov 2, 2020 10:23:40 GMT
Whilst everyone is on the topic of live audio being tampered with... go and have a listen to the Marquee Club, 28th November 1972 version of Paper Plane and you'll hear two vocal tracks for Rossi - one of which being the studio vocal track from Piledriver. I never notice that it was a second line of Francis throught all the song... So...The Marquee gig was overdubbed the vocals (I can't see clearly if it was the vocal track from Piledriver or a new one), the EP has the vocals overdubbed (at least ROLD)...And the Live album was purely live? ...NOW I CAN'T BE SO SURE! I would like to craw in a blanket and cry. I know most of the other videos has overdubbed things, for example, the two vocal leak of Francis from The Power of Rock of N.E.C. 89 in the last chorus or the Rick's guital overdub from Live Alive Quo in In The Army Now.
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Post by 747727 on Nov 4, 2020 19:43:30 GMT
How much over dubbing was on the live EP?
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Post by Quoincidence on Nov 4, 2020 20:05:11 GMT
How much over dubbing was on the live EP? Just the vocals for Rick and Francis on Roll Over Lay Down. That's all. Francis had a sore throat that night, but his vocal performance wasnt too bad during ROLD.
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Post by Quoincidence on Nov 4, 2020 20:13:51 GMT
Whilst everyone is on the topic of live audio being tampered with... go and have a listen to the Marquee Club, 28th November 1972 version of Paper Plane and you'll hear two vocal tracks for Rossi - one of which being the studio vocal track from Piledriver. I know most of the other videos has overdubbed things, for example, the two vocal leak of Francis from The Power of Rock of N.E.C. 89 in the last chorus or the Rick's guital overdub from Live Alive Quo in In The Army Now. Another case of Rick and Francis being under the weather and struggling with hitting notes. Little Dreamer and Perfect Remedy were dropped for a couple of dates during that tour due to Rossis sore throat. In regards to the Live Alive Quo thing, are you not mistaking it for the guitar chugging that's apart of the stage tape layered with a synth, or the various guitar parts that were left in on the stage tape. Rick overdubbed his vocals for the whole show, as he was fairly rough on the day...
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Post by Quoincidence on Nov 4, 2020 20:16:59 GMT
Whilst everyone is on the topic of live audio being tampered with... go and have a listen to the Marquee Club, 28th November 1972 version of Paper Plane and you'll hear two vocal tracks for Rossi - one of which being the studio vocal track from Piledriver. So...The Marquee gig was overdubbed the vocals (I can't see clearly if it was the vocal track from Piledriver or a new one), the EP has the vocals overdubbed (at least ROLD)...And the Live album was purely live? ...NOW I CAN'T BE SO SURE! I would like to craw in a blanket and cry. There's no evidence for the Live! gigs being overdubbed, so don't worry about those. 100% raw, and simply a compilation of the best performances across the 3 nights
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Post by Quoincidence on Nov 4, 2020 20:27:43 GMT
Nothing will ever be AS overdubbed as the Milton Keynes concert is, however.
Rick / Francis / Alan - All have overdubbed vocals and guitar parts throughout the show. Mystery Medley is pretty much a studio recording asides from Petes and Andys parts.
The only songs, as far as I know, that aren't overdubbed are; Big Fat Mama, Don't Waste My Time and Roadhouse Blues. Fair enough, they had additional crowd noise dubbed onto them, but no vocal / instrumental dubbing... except they had to sort a bit of Alans bass out during DWMT as he came in far too early during the section were Rick plays on his own and Rossi gets the crowd going. You can still hear the error slightly over the crowd mics.
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Post by azza200 on Nov 4, 2020 20:48:10 GMT
I know most of the other videos has overdubbed things, for example, the two vocal leak of Francis from The Power of Rock of N.E.C. 89 in the last chorus or the Rick's guital overdub from Live Alive Quo in In The Army Now. Another case of Rick and Francis being under the weather and struggling with hitting notes. Little Dreamer and Perfect Remedy were dropped for a couple of dates during that tour due to Rossis sore throat. In regards to the Live Alive Quo thing, are you not mistaking it for the guitar chugging that's apart of the stage tape layered with a synth, or the various guitar parts that were left in on the stage tape. Rick overdubbed his vocals for the whole show, as he was fairly rough on the day... never realized Rick's vocals were overdubbed on LAQ
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Post by blagult on Nov 5, 2020 0:08:21 GMT
Iβve heard rumours about some of Stockholm 71 as well !
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Post by matt on Nov 5, 2020 9:40:50 GMT
Funnily enough I listened to both the bootleg eotr version of Down Down and then the official release just yesterday
The vocals are completely different...
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Post by gav on Nov 5, 2020 12:02:40 GMT
Curious about the process of dubbing studio vocals onto live recordings....is it a straightforward process does anyone know? Are the original vocals fairly well separated to begin with so there shouldn't be too much of an issue matching the ambience of the live setting, to put it like that? Thinking about overspill, i guess. Similar with guitar parts, or are they less or more problematic to blend?
Is it a straight case of cutting a track out and dubbing in, or something more like reducing certain levels and overlaying?
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Post by Quoincidence on Nov 5, 2020 17:40:30 GMT
Curious about the process of dubbing studio vocals onto live recordings....is it a straightforward process does anyone know? Are the original vocals fairly well separated to begin with so there shouldn't be too much of an issue matching the ambience of the live setting, to put it like that? Thinking about overspill, i guess. Similar with guitar parts, or are they less or more problematic to blend? Is it a straight case of cutting a track out and dubbing in, or something more like reducing certain levels and overlaying? they normally mix down parts of the tapes to a SLAVE reel for further edits. Vocal dubbing could either be a mix of the live vocal (decent parts) and studio vocal or completely dubbed. Crowd mics would be low in the mix to stop any spill of the live vocals and it'll be dubbed over with crowd noise from somewhere else in the show. The Milton Keynes show uses 1 crowd loop throughout at certain points, and it's so noticeable.
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Post by dennis on Nov 5, 2020 19:21:07 GMT
Curious about the process of dubbing studio vocals onto live recordings....is it a straightforward process does anyone know? Are the original vocals fairly well separated to begin with so there shouldn't be too much of an issue matching the ambience of the live setting, to put it like that? Thinking about overspill, i guess. Similar with guitar parts, or are they less or more problematic to blend? Is it a straight case of cutting a track out and dubbing in, or something more like reducing certain levels and overlaying? they normally mix down parts of the tapes to a SLAVE reel for further edits. Vocal dubbing could either be a mix of the live vocal (decent parts) and studio vocal or completely dubbed. Crowd mice would be low in the mix to stop on any spill of the live vocals and itll be dubbed over with crowd noise from somewhere else in the show. The Milton Keynes show uses 1 crowd loop throughout at certain points, and it's so noticable. Sounds like extras for Animal Magic, or Top Cat
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Post by Quoincidence on Nov 5, 2020 19:23:50 GMT
they normally mix down parts of the tapes to a SLAVE reel for further edits. Vocal dubbing could either be a mix of the live vocal (decent parts) and studio vocal or completely dubbed. Crowd mice would be low in the mix to stop on any spill of the live vocals and itll be dubbed over with crowd noise from somewhere else in the show. The Milton Keynes show uses 1 crowd loop throughout at certain points, and it's so noticable. Sounds like extras for Animal Magic, or Top Cat typing whilst walking isn't for me, clearly haha
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