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Post by Quoincidence on Nov 5, 2020 20:20:30 GMT
I’ve heard rumours about some of Stockholm 71 as well ! Overdubbing rumours? It definitely wasn't overdubbed as Quo had a busy schedule at the time. Radio companies tend to keep the multitracks for a week before wiping them and solely keeping the broadcast master(s). I don't think the Paris Theatre broadcast was dubbed either. Simply polished and mixed before being broadcast.
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Post by roquer on Nov 5, 2020 20:27:47 GMT
In regards to the Live Alive Quo thing, are you not mistaking it for the guitar chugging that's apart of the stage tape layered with a synth, or the various guitar parts that were left in on the stage tape. Rick overdubbed his vocals for the whole show, as he was fairly rough on the day... I saw a particular moment, a camera is pointing at him, and you can see clearly he hit a Ab chord instead of A chord, he looks to somewhere and laugh. You can't hear that wrong chord anywhere. My favorite moment in the history of the overdubs is this: You can clearly hear two Francis singing Telling you why. Hilarious.
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Post by Quoincidence on Nov 5, 2020 20:44:30 GMT
Curious about the process of dubbing studio vocals onto live recordings....is it a straightforward process does anyone know? Are the original vocals fairly well separated to begin with so there shouldn't be too much of an issue matching the ambience of the live setting, to put it like that? Thinking about overspill, i guess. Similar with guitar parts, or are they less or more problematic to blend? Is it a straight case of cutting a track out and dubbing in, or something more like reducing certain levels and overlaying? With guitar dubbing, the common thing they used to do was completely drop the crowd mics from the mix... Backwater from the Milton Keynes concert for example. Solo was completely overdubbed as Rossi made a right dogs dinner of it, and the crowd is inaudible. Whilst Rossi is introducing Backwater / Just Take Me, there's a crowd dub there using audio from after they finished Bye Bye Johnny (before they played it again) and before the fireworks went off. That same crowd audio is used after Roadhouse Blues before What You're Proposing. You can tell as someone is shouting Quo into the right channel crowd mic. Quite tempted to make a list of everything overdubbed on the Milton Keynes release Whatever You Want, Rick dubbed the guitar intro (it's completely out of sync on the video due to him playing it at a different speed to on the day) and his vocals are dubbed. I think Rossi's solo might also be dubbed. It was definitely dubbed. Some bits were edited out as well... for instance - before the guitar interplay section during Big Fat Mama, Rick shouts "Go ahead, Frame". It's still fairly audible if you listen out for it
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Post by Quoincidence on Nov 5, 2020 20:54:06 GMT
In regards to the Live Alive Quo thing, are you not mistaking it for the guitar chugging that's apart of the stage tape layered with a synth, or the various guitar parts that were left in on the stage tape. Rick overdubbed his vocals for the whole show, as he was fairly rough on the day... I saw a particular moment, a camera is pointing at him, and you can see clearly he hit a Ab chord instead of A chord, he looks to somewhere and laugh. You can't hear that wrong chord anywhere. My favorite moment in the history of the overdubs is this: You can clearly hear two Francis singing Telling you why. Hilarious. Tbh, you can't really hear him messing up on the radio broadcast either. And how have I never noticed that, in regards to the Brum '89 audio. I knew it was overdubbed, but I'd never noticed that you could hear the live vocal under the studio dub... They had no way of escaping it either, with needing the crowd mics to be a decent level in the mix due to the audience participation.
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Post by freewilly on Nov 6, 2020 20:03:35 GMT
This is fun Let's see what else we can find Reminds me of the Queen at Wembley 86 gig that was released. The official release sounds good but the bootleg shows it to be riddled with mistakes, vocal issues and a lot more...Basically, it didn't seem to be their usual high standard performance
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Post by 747727 on Nov 7, 2020 11:35:18 GMT
Were all the vocals over dubbed on the end of the road gig? Rossi's voice sounds very different and much rougher on the audience bootleg.
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Post by Quoincidence on Nov 9, 2020 9:47:58 GMT
Were all the vocals over dubbed on the end of the road gig? Rossi's voice sounds very different and much rougher on the audience bootleg. The majority of them were, yes. Rick and Francis seemed to have been having a bad day, vocally. If you listen to Caroline, you can hear 2 lots of vocals for Rossi, studio dub / crowd mic spill, and towards the end of the first chorus you can hear him tell the crowd to "watch it" whilst the studio dub carries on going.
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Post by acoje on Feb 11, 2021 14:33:43 GMT
What a great post, thanks Quoincidence
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Post by ashakike on Feb 12, 2021 7:20:21 GMT
There are no two vocal tracks on Paper Plane. In the 70´s singers use to have two mics live, one with a little delay to give the impression of false stereo, two vocals at a time. "The physical spacing between the two mics inherently introduces a small, but finite, time delay, and so when the two mic signals are mixed together, the frequency response will inevitably become comb filtered."
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