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Post by hershie on Apr 16, 2020 0:04:35 GMT
I imagine the 100+ appearances on TOTP claimed by the band/management must be an amalgamation of 'all' appearances on the show from 1968 - 2005, including band in studio, video, crowd dancing at chart countdown or dance group performing to song etc. As Hershie has pointed out there are actually only around 40 appearances of the band on stage in the TOTP studio. Yep, it's the only way to count them that remotely makes sense of their claims. To be fair to them, when Rick says something like "it's our 102nd or 103rd" appearance during the 2000 special, if you indeed count every repeat, TOTP2 appearance, small clip, chart rundown, playback, dance routine etc then that's pretty much spot on for where it was then.
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Post by hershie on Apr 16, 2020 0:55:06 GMT
Another update on lost material. The 18/01/73 Paper Plane exists in black and white as part of a large recovery of 405-line reel-to-reel computer tapes. As with 04/01/73, it's in the hands of Kaleidoscope.
So, both Paper Planes are at the very least out there somewhere; whether or not we'll ever see them is another matter.
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Post by 37 on Apr 16, 2020 11:24:29 GMT
So am I correct in saying that the Paper Plane clips are a repeat performance or did they go to the studio twice? For me the Paper Plane and Down The Dustpipe are the clips most wanted,as I only like the Frantic Four era. So for me to get those 2 or 3 clips would be near a whopping £500-£700! I wonder if Kaleidoscope could just put those 2 or 3 clips on a DVD for me(us) as I am not interested in any of the other artists (apart from The Sweet and Free). Well at least we know they are out there!
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Post by quodec on Apr 16, 2020 12:21:46 GMT
After all these years (46!) I continue to be amazed at the utter lack of promotion of Break the rules. The song was my entrance to the world of Quo, as probably a few others here. I love the song, it's a hidden gem in their back catalogue, the fact that there is no live or video clip of it. Hershie notes only two 'appearances' at the time, a chart rundown and end titles. Amazing - after breaking through, so to speak, on TOTP in '73 with Paper Plane, Mean Girl and Caroline, to go then and practically ignore the release of this single smacks of arrogance, bad timing, touring - I don't know. Though I think it was discussed here or on the original site that the band were not overly happy with the choice of single release. That still shouldn't have absolved them from some form of promotion.
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Post by hershie on Apr 16, 2020 12:53:19 GMT
So am I correct in saying that the Paper Plane clips are a repeat performance or did they go to the studio twice? For me the Paper Plane and Down The Dustpipe are the clips most wanted,as I only like the Frantic Four era. So for me to get those 2 or 3 clips would be near a whopping £500-£700! I wonder if Kaleidoscope could just put those 2 or 3 clips on a DVD for me(us) as I am not interested in any of the other artists (apart from The Sweet and Free). Well at least we know they are out there! I can't say either way; there's not so much as a screenshot from either right now. The original TOTP database that a lot of base data comes from suggests they're two separate performances, as does somewhere that claims both the missing In My Chair and Down Down are repeats. I'd be inclined to believe there were two appearances. Interestingly the aforementioned Paper Plane comes from an episode where one of the other finds from it is apparently a Gary Glitter performance that isn't even in the database at all. So it's clear there are errors and inaccuracies we'll never know about for sure without conclusive proof. Down The Dustpipe is one of those I'd be delighted if it ever turned up but I'd be very surprised if it did; even January '73 is pretty early for a home recording to turn up from, let alone two. Even someone with a cassette recording up against a speaker would be nice though. With regards to Kaleidoscope I wouldn't have a clue over how they'd charge for that, assuming they do hold all three missing but existing (I'm counting the Down Down dancing). I'm hesitant to ask myself in case I'm tempted to spend money I don't have.
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Post by mortified on Apr 16, 2020 13:00:11 GMT
So am I correct in saying that the Paper Plane clips are a repeat performance or did they go to the studio twice? For me the Paper Plane and Down The Dustpipe are the clips most wanted,as I only like the Frantic Four era. So for me to get those 2 or 3 clips would be near a whopping £500-£700! I wonder if Kaleidoscope could just put those 2 or 3 clips on a DVD for me(us) as I am not interested in any of the other artists (apart from The Sweet and Free). Well at least we know they are out there! I can't say either way; there's not so much as a screenshot from either right now. The original TOTP database that a lot of base data comes from suggests they're two separate performances, as does somewhere that claims both the missing In My Chair and Down Down are repeats. I'd be inclined to believe there were two appearances. Interestingly the aforementioned Paper Plane comes from an episode where one of the other finds from it is apparently a Gary Glitter performance that isn't even in the database at all. So it's clear there are errors and inaccuracies we'll never know about for sure without conclusive proof. Down The Dustpipe is one of those I'd be delighted if it ever turned up but I'd be very surprised if it did; even January '73 is pretty early for a home recording to turn up from, let alone two. Even someone with a cassette recording up against a speaker would be nice though. With regards to Kaleidoscope I wouldn't have a clue over how they'd charge for that, assuming they do hold all three missing but existing (I'm counting the Down Down dancing). I'm hesitant to ask myself in case I'm tempted to spend money I don't have.We've all been there. Some of us still are I've just this week bought a poster (yes, a bl00dy poster! What age am I, 16?) advertising the Quo Cardiff Castle gig in 1976. And it's not even an original. It's just a print! But I wanted it and it is rather fetching. Now, let's see if I can persuade Mrs Mortified to let me put it up on the back of the bedroom door
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Post by fretbuzzzzz on Apr 16, 2020 13:51:19 GMT
After all these years (46!) I continue to be amazed at the utter lack of promotion of Break the rules. The song was my entrance to the world of Quo, as probably a few others here. I love the song, it's a hidden gem in their back catalogue, the fact that there is no live or video clip of it. Hershie notes only two 'appearances' at the time, a chart rundown and end titles. Amazing - after breaking through, so to speak, on TOTP in '73 with Paper Plane, Mean Girl and Caroline, to go then and practically ignore the release of this single smacks of arrogance, bad timing, touring - I don't know. Though I think it was discussed here or on the original site that the band were not overly happy with the choice of single release. That still shouldn't have absolved them from some form of promotion. Agree, I thought it was a near perfect 3-4 minute single back in '74. Setting out their stall once again as a boogie band with commercial appeal. Strange that the band were not fully behind it. I can't think which track would have worked better. Some folk say 'Backwater' had single written all over it, but I didn't think so personally. Works as an album track. I'm fairly sure that BTR was the first track, up to this point, that they messed with in the studio, slowing and speeding up the tapes, on the solo in particular I gather. Perhaps why the song didn't become a stage favourite with the band?
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Post by fretbuzzzzz on Apr 16, 2020 14:04:13 GMT
I can't say either way; there's not so much as a screenshot from either right now. The original TOTP database that a lot of base data comes from suggests they're two separate performances, as does somewhere that claims both the missing In My Chair and Down Down are repeats. I'd be inclined to believe there were two appearances. Interestingly the aforementioned Paper Plane comes from an episode where one of the other finds from it is apparently a Gary Glitter performance that isn't even in the database at all. So it's clear there are errors and inaccuracies we'll never know about for sure without conclusive proof. Down The Dustpipe is one of those I'd be delighted if it ever turned up but I'd be very surprised if it did; even January '73 is pretty early for a home recording to turn up from, let alone two. Even someone with a cassette recording up against a speaker would be nice though. With regards to Kaleidoscope I wouldn't have a clue over how they'd charge for that, assuming they do hold all three missing but existing (I'm counting the Down Down dancing). I'm hesitant to ask myself in case I'm tempted to spend money I don't have.We've all been there. Some of us still are I've just this week bought a poster (yes, a bl00dy poster! What age am I, 16?) advertising the Quo Cardiff Castle gig in 1976. And it's not even an original. It's just a print! But I wanted it and it is rather fetching. Now, let's see if I can persuade Mrs Mortified to let me put it up on the back of the bedroom door Think I was looking at the very same posters on ebay this week. Framed posters and an original? Had been looking at a Just Supposin' Ad poster. Managed to resist temptation this time! Bought stuff in the past that never found their way on to any walls as originally intended. Had forgotten that the Strawbs had been on the bill at Cardiff Castle. I saw them a few years back at a local theatre.
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Post by 37 on Apr 16, 2020 14:31:39 GMT
After all these years (46!) I continue to be amazed at the utter lack of promotion of Break the rules. The song was my entrance to the world of Quo, as probably a few others here. I love the song, it's a hidden gem in their back catalogue, the fact that there is no live or video clip of it. Hershie notes only two 'appearances' at the time, a chart rundown and end titles. Amazing - after breaking through, so to speak, on TOTP in '73 with Paper Plane, Mean Girl and Caroline, to go then and practically ignore the release of this single smacks of arrogance, bad timing, touring - I don't know. Though I think it was discussed here or on the original site that the band were not overly happy with the choice of single release. That still shouldn't have absolved them from some form of promotion. Agree, I thought it was a near perfect 3-4 minute single back in '74. Setting out their stall once again as a boogie band with commercial appeal. Strange that the band were not fully behind it. I can't think which track would have worked better. Some folk say 'Backwater' had single written all over it, but I didn't think so personally. Works as an album track. I'm fairly sure that BTR was the first track, up to this point, that they messed with in the studio, slowing and speeding up the tapes, on the solo in particular I gather. Perhaps why the song didn't become a stage favourite with the band? Break The Rules would be in my top 10 Quo songs. It beggars belief that after the big selling singles such as Caroline and Paper Plane and after the hit albums Piledriver and Hello, they would under play it. Surely a promo or a TOTP performance would have been warranted as they were one of the top British bands of that time. Mind you,it was the correct choice of a single from the Quo album. I dont think Backwater would have worked.
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Post by kursaal75 on Apr 16, 2020 15:13:09 GMT
Down here on the Essex Riviera, the 'B'side Lonely Night, was played almost as much as 'Break The Rules' on the pub Juke boxes in Southend.
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Post by fretbuzzzzz on Apr 16, 2020 16:33:15 GMT
Down here on the Essex Riviera, the 'B'side Lonely Night, was played almost as much as 'Break The Rules' on the pub Juke boxes in Southend. It was on a Jukebox that I first heard Break The Rules in the Easter Holidays in 1974. In the Clubhouse/games room at a Holiday park on the Swanage Riviera! Knocked out by it at the time as quite something to hear a track played 10 times louder than on my Dad's stereo at home! We could even hear it being played from outside the Clubhouse. I'm going off track a bit hershie...sorry 'bout that.
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Post by kursaal75 on Apr 16, 2020 16:38:27 GMT
Down here on the Essex Riviera, the 'B'side Lonely Night, was played almost as much as 'Break The Rules' on the pub Juke boxes in Southend. It was on a Jukebox that I first heard Break The Rules in the Easter Holidays in 1974. In the Clubhouse/games room at a Holiday park on the Swanage Riviera! Knocked out by it at the time as quite something to hear a track played 10 times louder than on my Dad's stereo at home! We could even hear it being played from outside the Clubhouse. I'm going off track a bit hershie...sorry 'bout that. Sorry from me as well Hershie, on what is an excellent thread
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Post by hershie on Apr 16, 2020 17:19:26 GMT
Not a worry, and thanks I've been reading along; I'm just too young to have much to contribute to some of it!
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Post by mortified on Apr 17, 2020 5:05:26 GMT
I'm not sure what the story is behind Break The Rules. I've read various things over the years but the one that sticks in my mind is that the band couldn't appear on TOTP because they were in Europe or something. But I read that a very long time ago.
They did do the odd promo back then but not for every single so it's no major surprise there wasn't one for that.
But what the truth is probably no one can actually remember.
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Post by kursaal75 on Apr 17, 2020 8:31:04 GMT
Did any of the Quo hits ever appear on the TOP OF THE POPS albums, where session musicians would cover the hit singles. I vaguely remember Paper Plane being covered on one of the 1973 releases.
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