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Post by Victor on Apr 6, 2017 13:37:38 GMT
Yes...but that was true as early as fine fine fine, that melody has a very strong country ring to it. True, but FFF doesn't sound like a nursery rhyme!! Nope, sure doesn't
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Post by Whoppa Choppa on Apr 6, 2017 15:25:31 GMT
One of the most characterizing things of the Frossi-Rost collaborations was that they sounded like nursery rhymes.... must have been the Lauda....
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Post by Victor on Apr 6, 2017 17:01:18 GMT
One of the most characterizing things of the Frossi-Rost collaborations was that they sounded like nursery rhymes.... must have been the Lauda.... Yea certain songs did...Others didn't though (Come Rock with me/Rockin on, Runaway, Another game in Town, Never too Late, Long Ago, Riverside, Doesn't matter, I should have known, Twenty Wild Horses, Under the Influence)...yes, they wrote some crap for sure, but they also wrote some very good songs imo.
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Post by gav on Apr 6, 2017 17:12:30 GMT
One of the most characterizing things of the Frossi-Rost collaborations was that they sounded like nursery rhymes.... must have been the Lauda.... Yea certain songs did...Others didn't though (Come Rock with me/Rockin on, Runaway, Another game in Town, Never too Late, Long Ago, Riverside, Doesn't matter, I should have known, Twenty Wild Horses, Under the Influence)...yes, they wrote some crap for sure, but they also wrote some very good songs imo. True again. I find a lot of the Rossi/Young stuff from Heavy Traffic era quite childlike melodically. That would figure if Bob was the lyric man. Some of Frame's demos on Bob's site illustrate this. Back to basics, but without the old magic, imo.
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Post by slowtrain7 on Apr 7, 2017 5:16:40 GMT
Fine, Fine, Fine is a country rock song. There have been a few over their career. Country Rock is ok, though when they recorded Marguerita Time they ( Francis ) went too far. Lancaster was rightly uncomfortable and embarrassed to be associated with such an awfully bad song. I think it was the straw that broke the ROCK STARS back.
I've noticed over the duration of my music life that a lot of songs in general can sound like nursery rhymes when they're broken down. They appeal to the INNER CHILD, subliminally.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2017 8:40:04 GMT
Claudie, Fine Fine Fine and Dirty Water are very good Quo country rock songs. Marguerita Time is a commercial parody country pop song. It was the first time that they had completely removed the Quo from any of the country element of their music, but it was also the first clearest signal that parody entertainment and slapstick was beginning its full emergence.
At that time though there wasn't anyone to know that the Francis-led brand of "show business" was ultimately to become more dominant than the music itself. In that sense the reunions showed up that defining choice even further once they were completed. It was as if to say here is a reminder of what we were, but this is confirmation of what we have become.
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Post by RED on Apr 7, 2017 20:22:58 GMT
One For The Money.... Nothing to do with the instrumentation on it but, the melody and vocal delivery impresses me I really like this track too. Ricks vocal delivery seems to have a lot of anger in it. Also I really like tracks like: Save me Calling End of the line Everytime I think of you Don't mind if I do The loving Game Man Overboard Good sign Nothing comes easy Like it or not Tango I could name plenty more from that era that I really like but that's just a few of the lesser popular tracks that I really like.
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Post by freewilly on Apr 7, 2017 20:31:07 GMT
One For The Money.... Nothing to do with the instrumentation on it but, the melody and vocal delivery impresses me I really like this track too. Ricks vocal delivery seems to have a lot of anger in it. Also I really like tracks like: Save me Calling End of the line Everytime I think of you Don't mind if I do The loving Game Man Overboard Good sign Nothing comes easy Like it or not Tango I could name plenty more from that era that I really like but that's just a few of the lesser popular tracks that I really like. Agree with every song on that list tbh. Obviously they're not as good as real Quo but, I like them. Except the middle part in Tango... Otherwise, some great guitar in it
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2017 9:50:43 GMT
Red Flamenco dress, rose between the teeth - it works...
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Post by Whoppa Choppa on Apr 8, 2017 10:59:39 GMT
There ain't enough prosecco in the world....
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Post by I Ain't Complaining on Apr 11, 2017 15:45:30 GMT
I find it pretty difficult to believe that it was written in the early 70's. Not because i'm post-85-phobic or even dislike their 80's stuff, but it's songwriting style is nothing like anything from the 70's. I don't mean the style of the music obviously, just the melody and lyrics. Maybe the person who said this (from an interview?) or typed it, meant to say/write 80's.....early 80's i could certainly believe. Having said that, i don't like it anyway. It was from the 'Just For The Record' book. It states it to be the first Rossi and Young song... And the first track written by both Rossi and Young didn't appear until IYCSTH? So it must have been early 70's for Naughty Girl, but it could've changed drastically in those 10+ years... who knows Hi. Not sure if anyone answered this as I'm only on page 5 of 8!! But you mean the first Rossi and Frost song obviously?
I thought that Naughty Girl was from 1978. I can't remember where I got that from, but it's stuck in my head. If that's when Francis and Bernie first wrote together then that could make sense. Also I agree that it sounds quite like it would fit in with IYCSTH with the synths / horns. Would have probably sounded slightly less poppy in 1978 though than 1986! It obviously didn't make the cut in 1978 (if it was put forward for the album), but in 1986 I think they just took anything they could get their hands on to get an album out there to satisfy the record company. Not sure how much quality assurance there was over the choice of the songs!
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Post by frozenhero on Apr 11, 2017 20:17:04 GMT
If we are still talking about that atrocious Dreamin' song, there isn't a single redeeming feature about it, synths or no synths.
IYCSTH gets a lot of stick with Quo fans for its experiments with production, backing vocals etc, but I've always enjoyed the album. I can remember John Peel (RIP) bless him, playing quite a few songs from the album prior to release on his late evening show. My Dad, who unlike my Mum thought Quo were a joke band, even liked the album Compared to the likes of Going Down Town Tonight? Yes, it's got a catchy melody. As a composition, it's not all that different from something like, say, "Runaway". And when you listen to the 78/79 FF outtakes of "Keep Me Guessing", "Late Last Night" or "Invitation" and compare them to the finished mid-80s versions you'll see how much difference arrangements can make. The ITAN version of "Invitation" sounds so polished, so empty to me - I was genuinely surprised how much I liked the "demo" on the IYCSTH deluxe.
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Post by frozenhero on Apr 11, 2017 20:18:42 GMT
One of the most characterizing things of the Frossi-Rost collaborations was that they sounded like nursery rhymes.... must have been the Lauda.... Yea certain songs did...Others didn't though (Come Rock with me/Rockin on, Runaway, Another game in Town, Never too Late, Long Ago, Riverside, Doesn't matter, I should have known, Twenty Wild Horses, Under the Influence)...yes, they wrote some crap for sure, but they also wrote some very good songs imo. Though according to the new deluxe that one's a Rossi/Young collab. It does sound more like Rossi/Frost to me, particularly the part that predates "Lies".
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Post by frozenhero on Apr 11, 2017 20:19:35 GMT
It was from the 'Just For The Record' book. It states it to be the first Rossi and Young song... And the first track written by both Rossi and Young didn't appear until IYCSTH? So it must have been early 70's for Naughty Girl, but it could've changed drastically in those 10+ years... who knows Hi. Not sure if anyone answered this as I'm only on page 5 of 8!! But you mean the first Rossi and Frost song obviously?
I thought that Naughty Girl was from 1978. I can't remember where I got that from, but it's stuck in my head. If that's when Francis and Bernie first wrote together then that could make sense. Also I agree that it sounds quite like it would fit in with IYCSTH with the synths / horns. Would have probably sounded slightly less poppy in 1978 though than 1986! It obviously didn't make the cut in 1978 (if it was put forward for the album), but in 1986 I think they just took anything they could get their hands on to get an album out there to satisfy the record company. Not sure how much quality assurance there was over the choice of the songs!
I noticed it but decided not to open my virtual mouth
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Post by gav on Apr 11, 2017 20:35:31 GMT
It was from the 'Just For The Record' book. It states it to be the first Rossi and Young song... And the first track written by both Rossi and Young didn't appear until IYCSTH? So it must have been early 70's for Naughty Girl, but it could've changed drastically in those 10+ years... who knows Hi. Not sure if anyone answered this as I'm only on page 5 of 8!! But you mean the first Rossi and Frost song obviously?
I thought that Naughty Girl was from 1978. I can't remember where I got that from, but it's stuck in my head. If that's when Francis and Bernie first wrote together then that could make sense. Also I agree that it sounds quite like it would fit in with IYCSTH with the synths / horns. Would have probably sounded slightly less poppy in 1978 though than 1986! It obviously didn't make the cut in 1978 (if it was put forward for the album), but in 1986 I think they just took anything they could get their hands on to get an album out there to satisfy the record company. Not sure how much quality assurance there was over the choice of the songs!
So here's a geek-list of all the tracks recorded around the time of 'Army' and others recorded previously and used as Quo B-sides. I have a strong suspicion that there was very little writing done for the album as IAC suggests above - maybe this list illustrates that. Also suspect that Pip Williams played on quite a few of the tracks, so i've marked these with a *. He definitely played on all of Rick's solo stuff, the rest is speculation. Interesting period of their history.... Calling - co-written by Francis & Bernie Frost, so may have been intended for Frame's solo album Don't Give It Up - old Rhino song recorded for Rick's solo album Dreamin' - old song End Of The Line* - co-written by Rick & Ricky Patrick, so may have been intended for another project/solo album Heartburn* - co-written by Rick & Ricky Patrick, so may have been intended for another project/solo album In The Army Now* - cover version Invitation* - old song In Your Eyes - co-written by Francis & Bernie Frost, so may have been intended for Frame's solo album Keep Me Guessing - old song Late Last Night* - old song recorded for Rick's solo album Lonely - don't know anything about this one but would guess as a R&P composition it might be an older song Long Legged Girls* - recorded for Rick's solo album Overdose* - co-written by Rick & Pip Williams, so may have been intended for another project/solo album Red Sky - outside writer Rollin' Home - outside writer Save Me - don't know anything about this one but would guess as a R&P composition it might be an older song Speechless - cover version
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