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Post by taximan2002 on Mar 10, 2017 21:29:41 GMT
Could you imagine his response for getting a roll of denim as payment for the Levi ad's... lol I always seemed likely to me that the fee may well have been higher but the band only received the roll of cloth - but I'm a cynical git! The changing of lyrics in Living on an Island confirm it to me of where the huge fee went...
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Mar 10, 2017 22:26:48 GMT
... an enigmatic frontman with a great voice (and the reason that Ritchie Blackmore painted himself green and went to live in a tree) in Robert Plant .... Robert Plant has been called many things, but this is the first time I've ever thought it possible that anyone could call him "enigmatic" .... even his trousers weren't enigmatic
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Mar 10, 2017 22:42:47 GMT
If Peter Grant had been managing Quo in the early '70s they would have cracked the USA, imo. Could you imagine his response for getting a roll of denim as payment for the Levi ad's... lol PS They would have cracked the USA or been hung upside down by their heels ...
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Post by kachunk on Mar 10, 2017 23:10:10 GMT
Jimmy Page is a more fluent and fluid guitarist. Since I've Been Loving You probably demonstrates the abilities he had at that time better than anything else, anyways it's the one that always stops me in my tracks. It's not just the picky bits and the fast bits, that cover the neck without ever ramping off into pointless shredding or trying to drown out the singer (fat chance), but the rolling chords he plays under the vocals at points in the song, if anything I have for the last 45 years found these even more ear grabbing than the solo spots. I value his guitar playing on this track more than the much more often rolled out and also great Stairway to Heaven. But when it really comes down to it, what I "go to" is his lead and rhythm playing on "Rock and Roll". Any guitarist could play any of this, it's not Paganini showoff stuff, but first they need to have the ear and get their head round it. Francis has the ear. What he never had was the experience, the confidence, and maybe the desire to be a guitarist like that. He's more or less said that in the past. He went with what he had, and did his best with it for years. The amazing thing is, is what he achieved, not what he didn't achieve. But he never seems to have appreciated himself. Jimmy Page pulled in everything he learned as a top session guitarist, and poured it into Led Zeppelin. Since Zep, and really well before they broke up, he's never done anything new or comparable. He seems to have drained all his gifts in those few years. Having the techniques does not compensate for that. Francis could have gone on with what he had, but he got bored with it. He seems to have left himself nothing to draw on, professionally. There's a wealth of country stuff that he could have investigated, if he likes country music. Playing jazz in his spare time may be satisfying to him, that's great, but it's not playing into what he does for the public. The great Johnny Marr apparently decided, early in his career, that he was going to eschew shredding and classic rock style guitar, and do something different. This is why he is the best bit of The Smiths. Curiously, there's a line between what he does, and Keith's wonderful guitar work on Jumping Jack Flash, another track that always wakes me up even when I think I am not paying attention. Guitarists don't need to be virtuosos, they just need to have "the song", and between them, Francis and Rick had it. It's their combination work that really made the difference, each just right in his own way. You don't hear a lot of that about. The version I was referring to is the Live one from Madison Square Garden...I love it, don't get me wrong, I just don't see anything different in that particular version and what he's doing, in comparison to certain things Francis done in 4500 times for example Johnny Marr is quite unique actually. I personally love his use of maj7 and maj9 chords, mixed with minors. It's quite satisfying on the ear. Actually, I'm not 100% certain but, the outro riff on LOAI, is that a synth or an actual guitar going through something in the desk? Those 5 or 6 notes always hit me hard for some reason and I think, for me, that's what separates the best and unique guitar players....People like Francis, The Edge, Rory, Lindsey Buckingham, Mark Knopfler, Dave Gilmour, Prince, Harrison, Brian May, B.B King, Page have all come up with chord passages, riffs, solos that make you connect with the theme of the song or sends you emotionally to another place. I know people might not like a lot of those artists' music but, there's no denying their special talent when it comes to that. I like Angus' and Slash's solos too but, they're more for rocking out and wanking the fretboard. The solos from Flick Of The Switch or Out Ta Get Me don't make me think of a previous relationship, lover or a time when I was happy/sad The outro riff on LOAI is Francis playing a Roland guitar synth and yes,it's really rather good and totally right for the song.
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Post by madtom on Mar 10, 2017 23:12:59 GMT
Bloody hell, that was a quick response! Is that why you mentioned James, was it him that put the record straight? At the turn of the 70's, around where I lived anyway, Sabbath were hardly known to most people (except for the song Paranoid) whereas Led Zep were more famous (even if not their songs), but perhaps because of NWOBHM, more people began exploring the Sabbath albums, and my guess is, recognised the clear way in which the Sabbath albums were a completely different genre to their contemporary Led Zep albums. So, for us metal fans, Sabbath were clearly ahead of their time, and there were these murmurings that challenged the previous idea that Led Zep were the godfathers of metal - but the music press still fawned over LZ. But then Thrash came about, and eventually Metallica became massive and the Black Album came out. Guitar World magazine (must've been about 1991) did a joint interview between Hetfield and Iommi. It was a classic interview, simply because Hetfield was meeting Iommi for the first time (I think), and was quite clearly grateful for Iommi's early influence. It was as if the magazine and Hetfield were interviewing Iommi. Hetfield was the first credible influential pro-musician I had ever heard intimate that Sabbath were the founding fathers. I was so impressed to read this (which seems silly now, as the whole thing is accepted now). But I think this interview changed everything. It was the first stone in the avalanche. That is the little bit of history I experienced anyway. Did anyone else read that interview? here it's... www.guitarworld.com/tony-iommi-and-james-hetfield-discuss-life-black-sabbath-and-metallica-1992-guitar-world-interview?page=0%2C1(now I'll look like a twit when nothing I remember is actually in this interview! ) More specifically, I think Geezer should be credited with inventing Heavy Metal... I think he said something along the lines of "Let's make music that scares people".
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Post by Railroad17 on Mar 11, 2017 0:14:58 GMT
I've never rated him highly, but the waffling solos he done during Forty Five Hundred Times back in the day were unique in the way that they weren't exactly typical, but it gave him a recognisable style. Post 86 he waffles about in a bad way, over bending, to many bends, adds about 8383939294 extra notes that aren't necessary. "waffling solos" brilliant...is this before the "Twiddle diddle" era?
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Post by Railroad17 on Mar 11, 2017 0:20:12 GMT
Say what you like about Zep - hype over substance, whatever - but "Physical Graffiti" is one of the best albums ever made by anyone. A multi-instrumentalist and genius in John Paul Jones, one of the greatest and most imitated drummers in the world in John Bonham, an enigmatic frontman with a great voice (and the reason that Ritchie Blackmore painted himself green and went to live in a tree) in Robert Plant, and an occult-obsessed, riff-writing (and riff stealing) guitarist in Jimmy Page. Coupled with the fact they were managed by Peter Grant - the man responsible for bands getting the money they were actually DUE for playing live - how could they fail? "and the reason that Ritchie Blackmore painted himself green and went to live in a tree) .He did?
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Post by Railroad17 on Mar 11, 2017 0:21:39 GMT
Say what you like about Zep - hype over substance, whatever - but "Physical Graffiti" is one of the best albums ever made by anyone. A multi-instrumentalist and genius in John Paul Jones, one of the greatest and most imitated drummers in the world in John Bonham, an enigmatic frontman with a great voice (and the reason that Ritchie Blackmore painted himself green and went to live in a tree) in Robert Plant, and an occult-obsessed, riff-writing (and riff stealing) guitarist in Jimmy Page. Coupled with the fact they were managed by Peter Grant - the man responsible for bands getting the money they were actually DUE for playing live - how could they fail? Oh aye - Davy - they were far from rubbish. PG is great, as is LZ 1 to 4. And I still think the WLL guitar solo is the greatest rock solo ever written. But end to end, the Quo album is better WLL? Who Likes Lesbians?
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Post by Railroad17 on Mar 11, 2017 0:28:26 GMT
Peter Green is the best I've ever heard.
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Post by freewilly on Mar 11, 2017 2:59:56 GMT
The version I was referring to is the Live one from Madison Square Garden...I love it, don't get me wrong, I just don't see anything different in that particular version and what he's doing, in comparison to certain things Francis done in 4500 times for example Johnny Marr is quite unique actually. I personally love his use of maj7 and maj9 chords, mixed with minors. It's quite satisfying on the ear. Actually, I'm not 100% certain but, the outro riff on LOAI, is that a synth or an actual guitar going through something in the desk? Those 5 or 6 notes always hit me hard for some reason and I think, for me, that's what separates the best and unique guitar players....People like Francis, The Edge, Rory, Lindsey Buckingham, Mark Knopfler, Dave Gilmour, Prince, Harrison, Brian May, B.B King, Page have all come up with chord passages, riffs, solos that make you connect with the theme of the song or sends you emotionally to another place. I know people might not like a lot of those artists' music but, there's no denying their special talent when it comes to that. I like Angus' and Slash's solos too but, they're more for rocking out and wanking the fretboard. The solos from Flick Of The Switch or Out Ta Get Me don't make me think of a previous relationship, lover or a time when I was happy/sad The outro riff on LOAI is Francis playing a Roland guitar synth and yes,it's really rather good and totally right for the song. Love people like this tbh... Proper lovers of the music..I was born in the wrong era
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Post by freewilly on Mar 11, 2017 3:04:14 GMT
Peter Green is the best I've ever heard. 2nd best behind Rory... Adore Greeny....Pisses me off that Mick and John done fuck all for him or Danny Kirwin....Yet, they let Kirwin live on the streets.. Angers me
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Post by charles on Mar 11, 2017 8:39:38 GMT
LOAI? Lesbians Obtain Artificial Intelligence?
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Mar 11, 2017 9:40:30 GMT
I had to look that one up. And I first heard it in 1968. I'm not great with TLAs. (I got LOAI, though.)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2017 10:36:01 GMT
My older sister and her boyfriend of the time had the Physical Graffiti album. It seemed quite an eclectic mix actually. The best song I think is Kashmir. Probably my favourite Led Zep song. It didn't feature on that DVD unfortunately though - the footage on it seemed earlier than the PG album I went on a Greek Island holiday in the early 80's and remember Kashmir being played at a rock disco. They also played Quo's version of RHB from Piledriver as well as ROLD. Good night that was Just_Cuz_13
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Post by cactuspete on Mar 11, 2017 17:26:54 GMT
Many answers to my question and thanks to you all.
One point made more than once was the word "melody"
That's what makes him stand out.
As a "non guitar player "
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