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Post by tqontq on Mar 3, 2017 0:28:35 GMT
You mean Francis Rossi to play with his new band for the first time ever in New Zealand? That's about it. You going mate ? Hi mate, I would never give Francis a look in with his band of yes men. It is as far from Quo as you can get as far as I'm concerned. Mind you, i wouldn't mind an excuse to come to NZ but Frame piggy backing on the name of Quo ain't it.
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Post by kiwipom on Mar 3, 2017 9:22:06 GMT
Appreciate your views on this but I don't understand them in some ways. Irrespective of those sentiments and it just being Francis Rossi from FF surely that is worth 2 hours of your time when they are going to be on your doorstep on the other side of the world ! Would the gig not be better than just say sitting at home even if it is a greatest hits set. Especially as you take the trouble to contribute to a MB. No it's not an FF thing and Rick is no longer with us but surely they are worth one last gig in NZ. I think perhaps people misconstrue what it means to be a Quo fan in somewhere like Australia or NZ. …and maybe your lack of knowledge of the logistics of these countries produces some fairly glib statements that perhaps are probably not driven by malice, disdain or criticism but a lack of knowledge/appreciation – “ on your doorstep”, “2 hours of your time“….. It always used to amuse me on the SQMB that some UK fans whined so much about the “injustice” and “unfairness” that in their frequent/annual 20 to 30 date tour, Quo were playing Southampton but not Portsmouth, Nottingham but not Derby, Sheffield but not Leeds, Manchester but not Blackpool etc etc . Oz Quo fans have been getting 5 to 12 gigs every 3 to 5 years if they’re lucky!! Many fans in Oz and NZ have travelled long distances on flights and paid for accommodation 100s or even 1000s of kms away from home to see Quo gigs. I live in Christchurch - so even for 1 NZ gig, I would need a B737/A320 1 hour flight to Auckland, transfers + a motel + the same again the next day. 11th October is a Wednesday – so I’d need 2 days off work for just 1 gig. The additional expenses/loss of holiday pay would be 4 or 5 times the gig ticket price. For the FF line up I may just have considered it – but for this line up it’s a no-go.
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Post by freewilly on Mar 3, 2017 9:26:50 GMT
Appreciate your views on this but I don't understand them in some ways. Irrespective of those sentiments and it just being Francis Rossi from FF surely that is worth 2 hours of your time when they are going to be on your doorstep on the other side of the world ! Would the gig not be better than just say sitting at home even if it is a greatest hits set. Especially as you take the trouble to contribute to a MB. No it's not an FF thing and Rick is no longer with us but surely they are worth one last gig in NZ. I think perhaps people misconstrue what it means to be a Quo fan in somewhere like Australia or NZ. …and maybe your lack of knowledge of the logistics of these countries produces some fairly glib statements that perhaps are probably not driven by malice, disdain or criticism but a lack of knowledge/appreciation – “ on your doorstep”, “2 hours of your time“….. It always used to amuse me on the SQMB that some UK fans whined so much about the “injustice” and “unfairness” that in their frequent/annual 20 to 30 date tour, Quo were playing Southampton but not Portsmouth, Nottingham but not Derby, Sheffield but not Leeds, Manchester but not Blackpool etc etc . Oz Quo fans have been getting 5 to 12 gigs every 3 to 5 years if they’re lucky!! Many fans in Oz and NZ have travelled long distances on flights and paid for accommodation 100s or even 1000s of kms away from home to see Quo gigs. I live in Christchurch - so even for 1 NZ gig, I would need a B737/A320 1 hour flight to Auckland, transfers + a motel + the same again the next day. 11th October is a Wednesday – so I’d need 2 days off work for just 1 gig. The additional expenses/loss of holiday pay would be 4 or 5 times the gig ticket price. For the FF line up I may just have considered it – but for this line up it’s a no-go. Great post.
Plus, it's not Quo
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Mar 3, 2017 12:32:40 GMT
I think perhaps people misconstrue what it means to be a Quo fan in somewhere like Australia or NZ. …and maybe your lack of knowledge of the logistics of these countries produces some fairly glib statements that perhaps are probably not driven by malice, disdain or criticism but a lack of knowledge/appreciation – “ on your doorstep”, “2 hours of your time“….. It always used to amuse me on the SQMB that some UK fans whined so much about the “injustice” and “unfairness” that in their frequent/annual 20 to 30 date tour, Quo were playing Southampton but not Portsmouth, Nottingham but not Derby, Sheffield but not Leeds, Manchester but not Blackpool etc etc . Oz Quo fans have been getting 5 to 12 gigs every 3 to 5 years if they’re lucky!! Many fans in Oz and NZ have travelled long distances on flights and paid for accommodation 100s or even 1000s of kms away from home to see Quo gigs. I live in Christchurch - so even for 1 NZ gig, I would need a B737/A320 1 hour flight to Auckland, transfers + a motel + the same again the next day. 11th October is a Wednesday – so I’d need 2 days off work for just 1 gig. The additional expenses/loss of holiday pay would be 4 or 5 times the gig ticket price. For the FF line up I may just have considered it – but for this line up it’s a no-go. Great post.
Plus, it's not Quo
Win-win situation
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Post by freewilly on Mar 3, 2017 12:35:05 GMT
Great post.
Plus, it's not Quo
Win-win situation I know...This is a big moment for me...
Excuse me, I have something in my eye
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Post by viking55 on Mar 3, 2017 14:57:54 GMT
Appreciate your views on this but I don't understand them in some ways. Irrespective of those sentiments and it just being Francis Rossi from FF surely that is worth 2 hours of your time when they are going to be on your doorstep on the other side of the world ! Would the gig not be better than just say sitting at home even if it is a greatest hits set. Especially as you take the trouble to contribute to a MB. No it's not an FF thing and Rick is no longer with us but surely they are worth one last gig in NZ. I think perhaps people misconstrue what it means to be a Quo fan in somewhere like Australia or NZ. …and maybe your lack of knowledge of the logistics of these countries produces some fairly glib statements that perhaps are probably not driven by malice, disdain or criticism but a lack of knowledge/appreciation – “ on your doorstep”, “2 hours of your time“….. It always used to amuse me on the SQMB that some UK fans whined so much about the “injustice” and “unfairness” that in their frequent/annual 20 to 30 date tour, Quo were playing Southampton but not Portsmouth, Nottingham but not Derby, Sheffield but not Leeds, Manchester but not Blackpool etc etc . Oz Quo fans have been getting 5 to 12 gigs every 3 to 5 years if they’re lucky!! Many fans in Oz and NZ have travelled long distances on flights and paid for accommodation 100s or even 1000s of kms away from home to see Quo gigs. I live in Christchurch - so even for 1 NZ gig, I would need a B737/A320 1 hour flight to Auckland, transfers + a motel + the same again the next day. 11th October is a Wednesday – so I’d need 2 days off work for just 1 gig. The additional expenses/loss of holiday pay would be 4 or 5 times the gig ticket price. For the FF line up I may just have considered it – but for this line up it’s a no-go. Sorry,point taken. Didn't realise the distance and logistics involved. I've never travelled more than 15 miles to see the band myself and just missed gigs when they never gigged locally so I appreciate your comments. Although I did travel for the first FF reunion.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2017 16:48:26 GMT
Was that the Craig Bennett interview? Yes it was I located it. Some of that is a bit odd. John has said over and over that he behaved impossibly, and walked out of the band saying he was leaving. It's not really an oust. (But there seems little doubt that once he had walked out, he was helped on his way "outta town" by the management at lightning speed ... ) I wonder if that bit about "we're getting someone else in" actually happened after John flounced, and A&R were expecting him to flounce back again at some stage, not knowing that he had been flown back to blighty ... but I'm guessing here. "Francis didn't like the management" ... but it was Alan who was telling the others that the C&C management was ripping them off in some way, and Francis who (until considerably later, when he quietly acknowledged that Alan had been right) supported them. And he didn't really oust "us all one by one". John left because he left ... Rick wasn't ousted in any way shape or form - Alan was the only victim of rug-pulling. There doesn't seem to have been any "plot" to re-constitute the band after they met their existing recording obligations, it was Rick who brought John and Jeff in, and encouraged them to stay on. As for the "brotherhood", everyone likes to think of that, but the reality was that Francis and Rick thought seriously about ditching Alan on at least two occasions well before this. John Shearlaw implies, well states actually, that there was some friction between Alan and Francis right from the start. Francis hates noise and fuss unless he's creating it, and Alan seems rather to generate it. When he was younger, anyway. As for the money ... I imagine it would be "cheaper" to hire in a new drummer than split with Spud as a full member - I don't know how they were structured then, I'm guessing. But there's no virtue in getting rid of a productive member of the band just because you can get someone else in on a wage, if they aren't equally productive, and there is no sign that Francis had any such thing in mind. Alan wass still writing releasable songs. Also Alan and John would both have needed paying off to some degree (even before they started sueing) so it's not a cheap option. And sorry Al I really don't think you can park any failure of quality of the 1982 album at Pete's door. (People's main target is Big Man, but I like that meself.) John was effectively sacked, Colin Johnson went to see him after the drum kicking incident and told him he would have a nervous breakdown if he didn't get out and he was to pack his things and go back to the Isle of Man. John was at a low ebb mentally at the time and did as he was told. His departure was always viewed by Colin Johnson as permanent, never a temporary thing to get himself back together, Pete Kircher was in the studio with the band to record 1982 within two weeks of John's "departure", rock managers have always been brutal and all about the money, not the people, Simon Porter is cut from exactly the same cloth, just more underhand.
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Post by charliechops on Mar 4, 2017 9:18:03 GMT
Hi mate, I would never give Francis a look in with his band of yes men. It is as far from Quo as you can get as far as I'm concerned. Mind you, i wouldn't mind an excuse to come to NZ but Frame piggy backing on the name of Quo ain't it. Mate , stop being coy sitting on the fence , are you going or not ? yeah / nah , lol ! . Told the wife last night , stupidly I said they were in NZ as well , could have scored a trip to Sydney or Brizza . What about the support band ? . Who would it take to get you there on the night ? Led Zeppelin don't count !
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Post by charliechops on Mar 4, 2017 9:52:47 GMT
Never thought I'd read they were coming over here ....... do I go or not ...... Will Alan be involved ? ..... will the concert sell ? .... Something tells me it will be cancelled .....could show some of the kids what used to be my favourite band were about .... do I go to meet other Quo fans here .....111 , kiwipom are you guys going ? .... if Rick was still alive and involved the decision may have been easier ..... anyone else have visions of a quarter full Vector , ex pats all waiting for Rockin All Over The World ...... my mates back in Blighty will be incredulous if I don't go .... I’ve been in NZ since 04. In 06, Quo announced their double header with Deep Purple and I was interested – but Quo didn’t do the NZ gigs – only the ones in Oz. I was offered complimentary Deep Purple tickets for Wellington by Don Airey. But I turned them down and arranged a trip to Oz to the Twin Towns, Brisbane and Newcastle gigs. Quo were ok – but largely going through the motions in the middle of their “not changing the set list at all for 10 years“ era - very much a 6/10 performance. The best part was meeting many Oz Quo fans and European Quo fans who had made the trip too. Due to circumstances/family visiting from the UK, I wasn’t able to do the 2010 Oz gigs. I would have loved to do the FF reunion gigs but just couldn’t justify a trip half way around the world. NOW and only now do Quo come to NZ!! – they could have come in 97, 03, 06 or 10 – but they didn’t. I won’t be going – I’m really not that interested in the “Francis + 4” anymore. My Quo spirit ebbed after 84 but I went to more Quo gigs through the years until 03 in the UK and then 06 in Oz. Other than the FF reunions, what Quo have done in the last 6 to 7 years doesn’t inspire me to see them again – especially without Rick. I think it’s all too late – and especially now that Rick is no more. NZ gig? If I was an NZ promoter I probably wouldn’t be putting my efforts and money behind Quo – there simply isn’t the demand – even in Auckland our biggest city of 1.4 Million. The Vector arena holds 12000. It’s totally the wrong venue for Quo – it could be an embarrassment. They'd be better doing the outdoor vineyard tours as a 3 band bill in Jan/Feb. Vector Arena is the natural choice for Springsteen, Foo Fighters, GnR, Ozzy, ACDC, Sabbath, Iron Maiden, Metallica, Crowded House/Split Enz etc But Quo?...sadly I think they’ll struggle to sell 3000 to 4000 tickets. The logistics of getting them and their gear here will result in a thumping loss ( unless a tax write-off was the intention anyway!! ) I fear you might be right – I wouldn’t be surprised if the Auckland gig is pulled before it happens. Agree with you kiwipom completely . I'm also thinking after listening to that radio / video interview with Francis , that the Vector will be scrapped in favour of the Civic theatre , if as we are predicting ticket sales are poor . To put things in perspective for European fans , Foo Fighters , Bruce Springsteen , Coldplay play at the stadiums over here for one night , Adele has sold out three nights at Mount Smart stadium . AC/DC , Guns n Roses play outdoor gigs at another venue . Green Day selling out two nights currently at the Vector Arena . Motley Crue had Alice Cooper as support and by all accounts was better , at the Vectot . Simple Minds have just been and gone , but they were support to B52's . Bewitched , S Club 3 (?) and Atomic Kitten were all on the same bill at the theatre . Rod Stewart plays at the wineries , as do the likes of Bonnie Tyler , Three Doy Night , Doobie Brothers etc . Forty years between gigs , what product , unique selling point does this band have out or due to be released that will entice punters out on a Wednesday night , other than the 70's back catalogue ?
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Post by 111 on Mar 4, 2017 19:46:29 GMT
I’ve been in NZ since 04. In 06, Quo announced their double header with Deep Purple and I was interested – but Quo didn’t do the NZ gigs – only the ones in Oz. I was offered complimentary Deep Purple tickets for Wellington by Don Airey. But I turned them down and arranged a trip to Oz to the Twin Towns, Brisbane and Newcastle gigs. Quo were ok – but largely going through the motions in the middle of their “not changing the set list at all for 10 years“ era - very much a 6/10 performance. The best part was meeting many Oz Quo fans and European Quo fans who had made the trip too. Due to circumstances/family visiting from the UK, I wasn’t able to do the 2010 Oz gigs. I would have loved to do the FF reunion gigs but just couldn’t justify a trip half way around the world. NOW and only now do Quo come to NZ!! – they could have come in 97, 03, 06 or 10 – but they didn’t. I won’t be going – I’m really not that interested in the “Francis + 4” anymore. My Quo spirit ebbed after 84 but I went to more Quo gigs through the years until 03 in the UK and then 06 in Oz. Other than the FF reunions, what Quo have done in the last 6 to 7 years doesn’t inspire me to see them again – especially without Rick. I think it’s all too late – and especially now that Rick is no more. NZ gig? If I was an NZ promoter I probably wouldn’t be putting my efforts and money behind Quo – there simply isn’t the demand – even in Auckland our biggest city of 1.4 Million. The Vector arena holds 12000. It’s totally the wrong venue for Quo – it could be an embarrassment. They'd be better doing the outdoor vineyard tours as a 3 band bill in Jan/Feb. Vector Arena is the natural choice for Springsteen, Foo Fighters, GnR, Ozzy, ACDC, Sabbath, Iron Maiden, Metallica, Crowded House/Split Enz etc But Quo?...sadly I think they’ll struggle to sell 3000 to 4000 tickets. The logistics of getting them and their gear here will result in a thumping loss ( unless a tax write-off was the intention anyway!! ) I fear you might be right – I wouldn’t be surprised if the Auckland gig is pulled before it happens. Agree with you kiwipom completely . I'm also thinking after listening to that radio / video interview with Francis , that the Vector will be scrapped in favour of the Civic theatre , if as we are predicting ticket sales are poor . To put things in perspective for European fans , Foo Fighters , Bruce Springsteen , Coldplay play at the stadiums over here for one night , Adele has sold out three nights at Mount Smart stadium . AC/DC , Guns n Roses play outdoor gigs at another venue . Green Day selling out two nights currently at the Vector Arena . Motley Crue had Alice Cooper as support and by all accounts was better , at the Vectot . Simple Minds have just been and gone , but they were support to B52's . Bewitched , S Club 3 (?) and Atomic Kitten were all on the same bill at the theatre . Rod Stewart plays at the wineries , as do the likes of Bonnie Tyler , Three Doy Night , Doobie Brothers etc . Forty years between gigs , what product , unique selling point does this band have out or due to be released that will entice punters out on a Wednesday night , other than the 70's back catalogue ?
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Post by 111 on Mar 4, 2017 19:54:45 GMT
If you look at the seating layout for quo at the vectra you will see it is considerably smaller than some of the more popular acts you mention. The stage is positioned in the middle of the arena rather than at the end. So for this reason I'm sure the venue won't be changed to the civic centre. If they cancel it won't be the first time as they also did this in1978.
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Post by Gaz on Mar 5, 2017 10:59:03 GMT
If you look at the seating layout for quo at the vectra you will see it is considerably smaller than some of the more popular acts you mention. The stage is positioned in the middle of the arena rather than at the end. So for this reason I'm sure the venue won't be changed to the civic centre. If they cancel it won't be the first time as they also did this in1978. They cancelled in 1978?...Quo were peaking back then.
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Post by 111 on Mar 5, 2017 18:37:20 GMT
If you look at the seating layout for quo at the vectra you will see it is considerably smaller than some of the more popular acts you mention. The stage is positioned in the middle of the arena rather than at the end. So for this reason I'm sure the venue won't be changed to the civic centre. If they cancel it won't be the first time as they also did this in1978. They cancelled in 1978?...Quo were peaking back then. Tell me about it..😭
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Post by rockonquo on Mar 6, 2017 7:10:55 GMT
Fuck it, i'm going! Never seen a show at the Sydney Opera House before.
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Post by tqontq on Mar 6, 2017 9:23:23 GMT
Opera House, 10 mins down the road from me. I sure ain't going to legitimise the Francis Rossi band under the guise of Quo. Sad, so sad. How could it have come to this? Really.
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