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Post by freewilly on Jan 28, 2017 20:06:36 GMT
I'm cynical. I've seen people on FB blame everything on Alan and John and Rick and defend Rossi to the hilt. I've seen people have a meltdown over innocent remarks about Rossi "Rossi basher" is a pathetic term to describe anyone. People are just realists and are not blinding by smoke and mirrors. The guy basically admitted, in several interviews, that he was at fault for a lot of things.... Then he goes and says Alan apologised to him for everything. That makes zero sense. Likewise, he said recently he just wants to plug into a Vox and rock out as loud as possible, but he's been on a journey the last 30 years to write another version of Dancing Queen. I'm not out to convince anyone to like or hate Francis. There was a time when I admired him and looked up to him as a musician... But, sooner or later people have to realise he messed up big time and see what's been staring them in the face all this time I understand what you say FW. But... the people I think you are really arguing with are probably not members here, they're on fb. The members here who stick up for Francis are simply trying to address the balance, put both sides. I don't see the blind loyalty, you are understandably upset by. I think that's why I find the emotional out pouring a bit much at times. Your comment about Alan apologising to him for everything (as if it was Alan's fault) isn't quite how I remember he put it. I didn't hear that to mean he absolved himself of his own role in the split. For their friendship to be repaired, Alan had to acknowledge and apologise for this own part in the breakdown. And I'm sure Francis did likewise. Otherwise, they would never have become friends again. Does that make more sense to you now? And whilst I don't like the route he steered Quo in, I don't see that he messed up big time. What I do see is that he hurt a lot of people who loved the original 70s sound. I'm one of them. But I've come to terms with that now. If only we had a magic time machine which could also tell us that the FF sound would have been bigger and better than the newer Quo sound which has trundled on for the last 30 years. Then I'd agree with you 100%. Thing is, I don't mind whatever direction he wanted to take them in... As long as it was good. What gets me is the fact he can't write a song near as good as the ones he aspires to. He wants to be like ABBA but, simple fact is that ABBA's worst song shits on Rossi's best song in that style. It's ironic that the good songs he's written since 1986 have been the rock songs he wanted to distance himself from
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Post by freewilly on Jan 28, 2017 20:08:00 GMT
It's like Queen, The 4 of them made some of the best music ever. Freddie had some minor solo success (when he was alive). He was the only one likely to make it as well. Brian May wonderful guitar player but his solo stuff is quite samey. Roger Taylor ditto and John Deacon packed it in. Hmmm...I've got mr bad guy and I thought a lot of it was dreadful to be honest.,.Taylor's albums were better, particularly strange frontier, which had none other than RJ Parfitt playing and doing backing vocals on 'it's an illusion' which is a great track. I always thought that if Rick had done a solo album he would have had great success, his voice was far more classy than Rossi's. Yep. They all could sing obviously but, Alan was a heavy rock singer, Francis was a pop singer but, Rick was so diverse with his voice. He could sing anything and it would have sounded class
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Post by curiousgirl on Jan 28, 2017 20:08:17 GMT
None of them were saints. Four of them, each with their own personality disorder! All that matters is we fucking loved them. I don't know what would have happened if they hadn't split. May well have been the same lukewarm albums we've had since 1982. What I do know, is that I don't think ANY of them had the breadth of talent to succeed alone. The magic only happened with the four of them, greater than the sum of their parts. Unmatched at what they did. It's like Queen, The 4 of them made some of the best music ever. Freddie had some minor solo success (when he was alive). He was the only one likely to make it as well. Brian May wonderful guitar player but his solo stuff is quite samey. Roger Taylor ditto and John Deacon packed it in. I enjoyed Queen's out put but I'm no expert on their journey. However, I do think you're underplaying Freddie's solo success. Both solo albums made top 10 charts and were therefore commercial successes. And he won a posthumous Ivor Novello Award for his song writing. Sadly, I don't think Francis or Rick will/would have ever achieve (d) anything like this. I watched the documentary about the making of Barcelona and he was an outstanding creative talent in his own right. But with Queen, I agreed that he was one of the 4 equally talented artists.
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Post by curiousgirl on Jan 28, 2017 20:11:28 GMT
Thing is, I don't mind whatever direction he wanted to take them in... As long as it was good. What gets me is the fact he can't write a song near as good as the ones he aspires to. He wants to be like ABBA but, simple fact is that ABBA's worst song shits on Rossi's best song in that style. It's ironic that the good songs he's written since 1986 have been the rock songs he wanted to distance himself from 100% with you on this. And yes, when I saw his solo show, I was surprised that one of my favourites was You'll Come Round. A heavy rock number. Okay, you've persuaded me. He messed up big time.
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Jan 28, 2017 20:18:33 GMT
It's like Queen, The 4 of them made some of the best music ever. Freddie had some minor solo success (when he was alive). He was the only one likely to make it as well. Brian May wonderful guitar player but his solo stuff is quite samey. Roger Taylor ditto and John Deacon packed it in. I enjoyed Queen's out put but I'm no expert on their journey. However, I do think you're underplaying Freddie's solo success. Both solo albums made top 10 charts and were therefore commercial successes. And he won a posthumous Ivor Novello Award for his song writing. Sadly, I don't think Francis or Rick will/would have ever achieve (d) anything like this. I watched the documentary about the making of Barcelona and he was an outstanding creative talent in his own right. But with Queen, I agreed that he was one of the 4 equally talented artists. Only Mr Bad Guy made top 10 while he was alive. Yes he was excellent but Mr Bad Guy is not a very good representation of what he could do. Barcelona is better but i'm not a great fan of that album apart from the title track. Both Made In Heaven and I Was Born To Love You from Mr Bad Guy were given the "Queen" treatment on Made In Heaven and are much better versions.
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Jan 28, 2017 20:21:15 GMT
Thing is, I don't mind whatever direction he wanted to take them in... As long as it was good. What gets me is the fact he can't write a song near as good as the ones he aspires to. He wants to be like ABBA but, simple fact is that ABBA's worst song shits on Rossi's best song in that style. It's ironic that the good songs he's written since 1986 have been the rock songs he wanted to distance himself from 100% with you on this. And yes, when I saw his solo show, I was surprised that one of my favourites was You'll Come Round. A heavy rock number. Okay, you've persuaded me. He messed up big time. Which interestingly is a track that both Rick and Rhino never liked. That's why Quo never did it live, I remember when XS all Area's came out Rhino said they "had recorded some new tracks but it had been a struggle".
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Post by curiousgirl on Jan 28, 2017 21:08:30 GMT
I enjoyed Queen's out put but I'm no expert on their journey. However, I do think you're underplaying Freddie's solo success. Both solo albums made top 10 charts and were therefore commercial successes. And he won a posthumous Ivor Novello Award for his song writing. Sadly, I don't think Francis or Rick will/would have ever achieve (d) anything like this. I watched the documentary about the making of Barcelona and he was an outstanding creative talent in his own right. But with Queen, I agreed that he was one of the 4 equally talented artists. Only Mr Bad Guy made top 10 while he was alive. Yes he was excellent but Mr Bad Guy is not a very good representation of what he could do. Barcelona is better but i'm not a great fan of that album apart from the title track. Both Made In Heaven and I Was Born To Love You from Mr Bad Guy were given the "Queen" treatment on Made In Heaven and are much better versions. Fair enough. I know you're a proper fan and would be aware of this in more detail. I'm a mere casual. But from my pov, Freddie did make an big impact outside Queen. And he wasn't afraid to experiment and collaborate with other artists. I'll have to check his solo stuff out.
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Post by gentlemanjoe on Jan 28, 2017 21:53:33 GMT
I enjoyed Queen's out put but I'm no expert on their journey. However, I do think you're underplaying Freddie's solo success. Both solo albums made top 10 charts and were therefore commercial successes. And he won a posthumous Ivor Novello Award for his song writing. Sadly, I don't think Francis or Rick will/would have ever achieve (d) anything like this. I watched the documentary about the making of Barcelona and he was an outstanding creative talent in his own right. But with Queen, I agreed that he was one of the 4 equally talented artists. Only Mr Bad Guy made top 10 while he was alive. Yes he was excellent but Mr Bad Guy is not a very good representation of what he could do. Barcelona is better but i'm not a great fan of that album apart from the title track. Both Made In Heaven and I Was Born To Love You from Mr Bad Guy were given the "Queen" treatment on Made In Heaven and are much better versions. Queen finished for me after The Game which I think it is their best album by far. As soon Freddie died and bass player retired they became another band, and they eventually a Queen tribute band. As good as they might have sounded, it wasn't Queen.. ditto Quo, just my opinion though
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Post by kachunk on Jan 29, 2017 16:18:23 GMT
I understand what you say FW. But... the people I think you are really arguing with are probably not members here, they're on fb. The members here who stick up for Francis are simply trying to address the balance, put both sides. I don't see the blind loyalty, you are understandably upset by. I think that's why I find the emotional out pouring a bit much at times. Your comment about Alan apologising to him for everything (as if it was Alan's fault) isn't quite how I remember he put it. I didn't hear that to mean he absolved himself of his own role in the split. For their friendship to be repaired, Alan had to acknowledge and apologise for this own part in the breakdown. And I'm sure Francis did likewise. Otherwise, they would never have become friends again. Does that make more sense to you now? And whilst I don't like the route he steered Quo in, I don't see that he messed up big time. What I do see is that he hurt a lot of people who loved the original 70s sound. I'm one of them. But I've come to terms with that now. If only we had a magic time machine which could also tell us that the FF sound would have been bigger and better than the newer Quo sound which has trundled on for the last 30 years. Then I'd agree with you 100%. Thing is, I don't mind whatever direction he wanted to take them in... As long as it was good. What gets me is the fact he can't write a song near as good as the ones he aspires to. He wants to be like ABBA but, simple fact is that ABBA's worst song shits on Rossi's best song in that style. It's ironic that the good songs he's written since 1986 have been the rock songs he wanted to distance himself from Somebody once said that Francis was on a quest to turn Quo into "Fleetwood Eagles" and that description is perfect for me. Look at "Restless".A song he was desperate to record but ended up being an insipid M.O.R ballad that he couldn't even sing. He seems to have the thinnest skin regarding the "three chord" jibes and he seemed to be on a mission to prove to the public and other musicians that he really wasn't that bloke who only knew three chords and only wrote 12 bar blues.
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Post by charles on Jan 29, 2017 19:12:36 GMT
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Post by dontquoteme on Jan 29, 2017 21:36:28 GMT
Thanks Charles👍 a mate sent it me, if never seen it before.
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Post by slowtrain7 on Apr 19, 2017 10:09:15 GMT
Do other QUO supporters agree with the following and what are their thoughts. The same Rossi, who disgracefully treated and shafted his oldest and best mate? The same Rossi, who said Alan was too macho but yet, acts emotionless and the hard man himself the whole time? The same Rossi, who has lied to us for years? The same Rossi, who hates what Quo stood for but, tarnishes it's name and legacy at every chance he gets? That Rossi? No chance! Read more: statusquo.boards.net/thread/7164/parfitt-remember-on-stage-rossi#ixzz4egkwPpuk
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