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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2016 8:23:23 GMT
I've see ya in your matching cardigans...... Nothing wrong with cardigans... But have you got the pipe, slippers and rocking chair to go with it?
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Post by paradiseflats on Sept 12, 2016 8:32:57 GMT
"It's quite interesting though....There are people who really liked it and there is a trend....They all appear to be middle aged housewives...Maybe this band are becoming the housewife's choice?" I didnt really like it although I did LIKE it ;-) you gotta remember that us middle aged (and in my case older ) housewives were the 17 year olds who followed and loved quo in the 70's. Like quo we have erm....matured and are not as perhaps as "manic" about music as we used to be. It seems to be that many of the posters who hate quo today are far more into heavy metal and hard rock bands so they cannot accept that quo have changed ...macho image springs to mind letsrock . I loved the reunion gigs but after seeing how frail Alan was I personally could never see him being able to do many more dates so to me that was the end of that story...no point in wanting something that wasnt posssible, and to be honest I dont know how the moaners think Alan could possibly do it. Obviousy I dont know Alan and am basing my opinions on what I saw. Like some others I also thought that as they were standing and jumping about tonight they could have just done an electric set. So was it Rick who was having the most trouble with that,especially now we know about his latest heath scare? Was he showng signs of this at the first aquostics and that is why they sat? Perhaps or perhaps not and they just were not sure how to play it. . Who knows??? PS I am a Rick fan so no nonsense about "Freddie lovers" in any replies I will give a reply to your comments.... You gotta remember that us middle aged (and in my case older ) housewives were the 17 year olds who followed and loved quo in the 70's. Like quo we have erm....matured and are not as perhaps as "manic" about music as we used to be. As I have said elsewhere my wife is from this demographic. She loves the music of her youth as much as ever. She doesn't feel the need for it to be watered down. Aging and maturing are not the same thing. The band have aged and changed... but does this really mean matured or for that matter improved. Change is not always for the better.It seems to be that many of the posters who hate quo today are far more into heavy metal and hard rock bands so they cannot accept that quo have changed ...macho image springs to mind letsrock . So you feel a sweeping stereotype of the more mature female is misrepresentative but then make a sweeping comment about about those who 'hate the band today'. I think you have to divorce criticism of the band and hatred. Many of the people who dislike the aquostic project are not haters at all. They like and enjoy the band today they just don't rate what is happening at the moment. I love metal and hard rock but I also love Simon and Garfunkle and Bob Dylan. It is possible to like widely different musical genres and tat doesn't affect what you think of other music. If I listen to Anal ****, I don't then think Simon and Garfunkle's Homeward Bound is to soft or not rocking.
I loved the reunion gigs but after seeing how frail Alan was I personally could never see him being able to do many more dates so to me that was the end of that story...no point in wanting something that wasnt posssible, and to be honest I dont know how the moaners think Alan could possibly do it. Obviousy I dont know Alan and am basing my opinions on what I saw. I went to 13 dates on the reunion tour and I saw the footage of him in Germany. Yes he did struggle at times, especially in Germany but he did well and to be honest he looked pretty good in Dublin. The force he once was, well no. Could he play more dates, well yes. The reason for no more dates is not his health it is a certain Francis Rossi. Like just about every musical friendship Rossi has had it ends in them falling out. I am also basing what I saw, and what Alan and Francis have said. Could he have played a full Status Quo schedule, probably not. But he could have played more shows. Let us be honest, he could have played the same length tours as the reunion again.Like some others I also thought that as they were standing and jumping about tonight they could have just done an electric set. So was it Rick who was having the most trouble with that, especially now we know about his latest heath scare? Was he showng signs of this at the first aquostics and that is why they sat? Perhaps or perhaps not and they just were not sure how to play it. . Who knows??? Perhaps the reason is the simple one. Francis no longer wants Status Quo to be a rock band. Rick wanted the rock band to finish in 2017. We have seen who won that argument. If Alan is not fit to tour, Rick would know this, he would not be upset they aren't continuing the reunion as he would know it would not be physically possible. Rossi himself said he wanted to end the rock band part of Stats Quo last year. Nothing to do with Rick's health. Like so often with bands, it is convenient for them to say they can't play a rock gig any more.
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Post by Victor on Sept 12, 2016 8:35:11 GMT
Must have been young girls then when they first heard Quo. Girls do seem to grow up. They grow older... That doesn't mean they male or female mature or grow wiser. Or for that matter tastes change. My wife falls into this demographic. She still loves the music of her youth and hasn't become a lover of Val Doonican as she has matured. Yea, worked like that for me...most of the music I loved when I was young I still love to the same degree or even more. Lots of people in my youth told me like "once you get older, you will learn to accept REAL good music"'and they were referring to what they were listening to... well, I never became a fan of what they listened to and I certainly haven't left most of the music I listened to in my youth, to the contrary. As I grew older the list of music that I like just has grown enormously, that is all. I'm 53 years old but I still listen to music that i got to know when i was 8 and i still listen to music ranges from classical music to some of the most brutal metal. And that wont ever change. I see no reason to. If I like a song or piece of music I like it and I will listen to it still when i am 75 unless I am deaf or something.
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Post by paradiseflats on Sept 12, 2016 8:44:39 GMT
They grow older... That doesn't mean they male or female mature or grow wiser. Or for that matter tastes change. My wife falls into this demographic. She still loves the music of her youth and hasn't become a lover of Val Doonican as she has matured. Yea, worked like that for me...most of the music I loved when I was young I still love to the same degree or even more. Lots of people in my youth told me like "once you get older, you will learn to accept REAL good music"'and they were referring to what they were listening to... well, I never became a fan of what they listened to and I certainly haven't left most of the music I listened to in my youth, to the contrary. As I grew older the list of music that I like just has grown enormously, that is all. I'm 53 years old but I still listen to music that i got to know when i was 8 and i still listen to music ranges from classical music to some of the most brutal metal. And that wont ever change. I see no reason to. If I like a song or piece of music I like it and I will listen to it still when i am 75 unless I am deaf or something. Totally agree. I don't remember the first time I heard Overkill, But I love that song so much. I have no desire for it to be slowed down and accordion added.
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Post by paradiseflats on Sept 12, 2016 8:53:09 GMT
Well I sat through the whole Hyde Park gig. It was ok I guess. Is it for me, no. My wife watched some of it, before getting up and saying this isn't very good is it. Rossi goes on about not wanting Nostalgia but there was not a song from the last 20 years played. Not one of the new ones either. A greatest hit set played by Francis's vision of the future of the band. Not for me. Was it terrible, well no. You would struggle to make some of those songs terrible. Am I the only one who misses Rick's voice, such a key ingredient to so many songs. What is the point of Freddie ? Does he really need to be there? Or the percussionist ? How poor are the backing vocals to Rockin all over the world. Guess it means Francis no longer has to attempt notes his voice can no longer reach. So this was half a set. With little to no artistic creativity. Rhino should never be allowed a mic and Andy, I am surprised how weak your vocal on Whatever you want is. For those of you, who enjoy it, happy days. I suspect it will never tour. Francis says he hates touring theatres as the conditions back stage are so poor. So is there really demand even for short hall arenas. Maybe but all evidence to that is no.
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Post by granny on Sept 12, 2016 9:31:01 GMT
Must have been young girls then when they first heard Quo. Girls do seem to grow up. They grow older... That doesn't mean they male or female mature or grow wiser. Or for that matter tastes change. My wife falls into this demographic. She still loves the music of her youth and hasn't become a lover of Val Doonican as she has matured. Val Doonican? That dates you a bit. Are you older than me?
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Post by granny on Sept 12, 2016 9:40:11 GMT
It must be something, something He said
That's changing my mind and adjusting my head
A new direction, a resurrection
Calling me back to rock and roll
Calling, calling me back
I saw it in the water and I'm hitting the track
Nothing to pack, polish my act Lord
I'm gonna play some rock and roll
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2016 9:45:15 GMT
If I had been wholly objective about yesterdays gig, I should have watched it. Listening on a car radio does not do it justice while driving around on errands! The problem with lack of visuals is that it makes you focus on the singing more especially without being able to see the whole interaction thing with the band playing and the general atmosphere of the crowd.
I commented on the singing yesterday. I still don't think it was good, and I haven't changed my opinion of the likes of WYP, WYW, DD and RAOTW. However, some of the rest of the music was quite acceptable and although the Aquostic thing still doesn't, and won't ever, do much for me, a few of the songs came across really well
I've come to think that That's A Fact is a very good arrangement - and really like the musical passage in the middle.
I listened afterwards to Madness when I was home and got a better still perspective of Quo's performance. I agree very much with teddybear581 - that slot sounded truly poor with little redemption. And didn't seem to get the response that Quo got.
Having been able to actually see some of the gig now, and get even further better perspective, I still wistfully infinitely prefer to have been old enough to have been clutching my rum and black while nodding heads and shaking hair in unison with my trench-coat man next to me at The Marquee in 72 But whatever subjective opinion one has of this Francis led Aquoustic thing, its clear that a lot of people outside of the fan base like it and its heartening actually that Quo are more respected than a lot of us fanbase give them credit for.
I just hope that Rick is ok about it all. It must be really tough for him sitting it out and seeing a good time go on without him. But there was enough evidence there yesterday to show how much he was missed. Even if Francis didn't do the decent thing and at least mention his partner in arms on the stage. That was another disappointment to add to the list...
However, all that said - good on you, if its your thing I have got my own share of happiness and enjoyment from Quo at periods of time over the years as well, so plenty of luuurve to share around
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2016 9:45:38 GMT
It must be something, something He said That's changing my mind and adjusting my head A new direction, a resurrection
Calling me back to rock and roll
Calling, calling me back I saw it in the water and I'm hitting the track Nothing to pack, polish my act Lord
I'm gonna play some rock and roll Did they do that one yesterday? If so...Who sang?
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Post by paradiseflats on Sept 12, 2016 10:27:55 GMT
They grow older... That doesn't mean they male or female mature or grow wiser. Or for that matter tastes change. My wife falls into this demographic. She still loves the music of her youth and hasn't become a lover of Val Doonican as she has matured. Val Doonican? That dates you a bit. Are you older than me? Lol no. But my dad was.
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Post by paradiseflats on Sept 12, 2016 10:29:17 GMT
It must be something, something He said That's changing my mind and adjusting my head A new direction, a resurrection
Calling me back to rock and roll
Calling, calling me back I saw it in the water and I'm hitting the track Nothing to pack, polish my act Lord
I'm gonna play some rock and roll Shame it neither rocked or rolled. As Francis has said repeatedly, Status Quo is about light and shade. Where was the shade ?
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Post by madtom on Sept 12, 2016 10:43:39 GMT
Val Doonican? That dates you a bit. Are you older than me? Lol no. But my dad was. I'm only in my 40s but I can remember many a Saturday night's TV being ruined by Val Doonican when I was a kid.
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Post by teddybear581 on Sept 12, 2016 11:11:26 GMT
Is that the best you can come up with in reply to the post?. To be fair to deepthroat, he knows we don't encourage direct insults at members now. So please respect that too. My slap on the wrist accepted
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2016 11:27:49 GMT
It's quite interesting though....There are people who really liked it and there is a trend....They all appear to be middle aged housewives...Maybe this band are becoming the housewife's choice? Similar assumptive stereotyping actually to what has been said from time to time about females and other sections/types of people who became members of the "Quo army" right back as far as the Frantic Four hey-day
Very much so relating to around the time that I became a fan in 75/76 and eventually started gigging full-time in 77. Except the females who were joining the ranks then were, largely, much younger than middle age. Though, that said, my own Mum had just about turned 40 back then and got to like Quo after she heard them played all the time by moi at home
Apparently, so the story still goes in some quarters, it was RAOTW that was finally attracting women, families and anyone else 'different' to the usual obvious appearance of a Quo army member up till them - and in the process vastly changing the hot and sweaty demographic of the audience of the primary peak days. These types of people starting to arrive, while some founder members of the Quo army themselves were starting to desert the band in droves because the sound and style of the music had gone soft following the RAOTW album.
I can totally understand and respect those who started going off Quo around the time I became a fan but there are a few of things to mention here of importance:
Firstly, although for sure I liked WSOL single and RAOTW song and album when they were released close to the time I became a Quo fan, I actually became a fan of the band because of the albums I had already heard before my first Hammy gig back in 77 - dating back not just to the great and exciting times of change within the band with the MKGS and DOTH albums - but also the fiskadelic/bubblegum pop music of Matchstick and Spare Parts.
This was a genre of music that my Mum already had listened to when she was younger and I got to start liking around the time I was in my early teens. It was always Neil Diamond with my Dad (who I also like and have albums today)
Whilst they won't of course be identical to my own, I am sure others will have had similar-ish experiences.
Secondly, Quo themselves were at an age where they would be in their mid-late twenties by the time I became a fan, and that meant that a lot of teenagers (like me) were getting introduced to the plethora of bands around in general, including Quo, in the 70's. A trend which carried on a rapid rate of growth and change that had begun in the 60's. It was therefore easy for young people of both genders who might have been, say, Beatles or Stones fans in the 60's - to equally become fans of bands like Quo in the 70's.
A lot of heavy rock was largely a guys domain to begin with in the early 70's and in some cases was slow(er) to transfer its attraction to wider audience groups. But even as a teenager, I never measured Quo against the likes of Sabbath and other heavy rock bands. But by the end of the 70's, there was also the appearance/addition of Punk and New Wave to the popular mix - the late 70's/early 80's was a time when "anything goes for anyone" really anyway. This definitely the case at college where friends were into all sorts from velvet underground, rock/prog rock, disco, to punk etc. At the time, I was first and foremost a Quo fan - but also loved a lot of 70's disco, a mix of general rock stuff and also got into some punk/new wave bands through college friends.
Thirdly, the actual experience of the time back in the mid/late 70's was a bit different to some of the later revisionism. I attended gig after gig after gig at Hammersmith (and elsewhere) from 77 and found all the audiences and other Quo fans the nicest most inclusive bunch of people there could be. I also converted and took along a real hotch potch mix of college friends - dancing round handbags or spiky coloured hair, safety pins and all, to Quo gigs and they boogied with the regular denim clad masses as one.
There was never any of 'this type of person' vs 'that type of person' sort of stuff going on. No-one ever stuck out of the crowd even then. One big reason why I have been a long time Quo fan. The relationship of the band to audience and the united front between both was special right back from the day. There was no apparent personal requirement/appearance to be a member of "the army".
Notwithstanding my own banter these days about Darby and Joan clubs from time to time wrt aging CQ, the point of all this is that making stereotypic assumptions about sections of people becoming attracted to a change of style in a band according to a certain gender, age and lifestyle type - can be very inaccurate
Some of those middle aged housewives at Hyde Park yesterday almost certainly were into Quo in the 70's hey-day, and same as me - maybe might have wanted to be sipping their rum and blacks at the Marquee in 72 if they had been old enough.
Being a member of the Quo army might have started largely male rocker led, but, as described, it was never a one section club exclusively. Thankfully. Good thing too - and best remembered several decades later in 2016
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Post by teddybear581 on Sept 12, 2016 11:37:59 GMT
I will give a reply to your comments.... You gotta remember that us middle aged (and in my case older ) housewives were the 17 year olds who followed and loved quo in the 70's. Like quo we have erm....matured and are not as perhaps as "manic" about music as we used to be. As I have said elsewhere my wife is from this demographic. She loves the music of her youth as much as ever. She doesn't feel the need for it to be watered down. Aging and maturing are not the same thing. The band have aged and changed... but does this really mean matured or for that matter improved. Change is not always for the better. My reply.. I love the music of my youth too. I havent changed my taste in music as I have matured but I can accept changes happen.
It seems to be that many of the posters who hate quo today are far more into heavy metal and hard rock bands so they cannot accept that quo have changed ...macho image springs to mind letsrock . So you feel a sweeping stereotype of the more mature female is misrepresentative but then make a sweeping comment about about those who 'hate the band today'. I think you have to divorce criticism of the band and hatred. Many of the people who dislike the aquostic project are not haters at all. They like and enjoy the band today they just don't rate what is happening at the moment. I love metal and hard rock but I also love Simon and Garfunkle and Bob Dylan. It is possible to like widely different musical genres and tat doesn't affect what you think of other music. If I listen to Anal ****, I don't then think Simon and Garfunkle's Homeward Bound is to soft or not rocking. my reply.. I dont think using the word "many" is a sweeping stereotype. ie "MANY "of the posters As for the housewives comment. It was meant to be a "tongue in cheek"comment. Obviously didnt come across correctly.
I loved the reunion gigs but after seeing how frail Alan was I personally could never see him being able to do many more dates so to me that was the end of that story...no point in wanting something that wasnt posssible, and to be honest I dont know how the moaners think Alan could possibly do it. Obviousy I dont know Alan and am basing my opinions on what I saw. I went to 13 dates on the reunion tour and I saw the footage of him in Germany. Yes he did struggle at times, especially in Germany but he did well and to be honest he looked pretty good in Dublin. The force he once was, well no. Could he play more dates, well yes. The reason for no more dates is not his health it is a certain Francis Rossi. Like just about every musical friendship Rossi has had it ends in them falling out. I am also basing what I saw, and what Alan and Francis have said. Could he have played a full Status Quo schedule, probably not. But he could have played more shows. Let us be honest, he could have played the same length tours as the reunion again.
My reply.. we will just have to beg to differ on that point. I only saw him on two dates and on those he looked like a very frail guy who could hardly stand and couldnt keep a hold of his plectrum. But It was great to see him!
Like some others I also thought that as they were standing and jumping about tonight they could have just done an electric set. So was it Rick who was having the most trouble with that, especially now we know about his latest heath scare? Was he showng signs of this at the first aquostics and that is why they sat? Perhaps or perhaps not and they just were not sure how to play it. . Who knows??? Perhaps the reason is the simple one. Francis no longer wants Status Quo to be a rock band. Rick wanted the rock band to finish in 2017. We have seen who won that argument. If Alan is not fit to tour, Rick would know this, he would not be upset they aren't continuing the reunion as he would know it would not be physically possible. Rossi himself said he wanted to end the rock band part of Stats Quo last year. Nothing to do with Rick's health. Like so often with bands, it is convenient for them to say they can't play a rock gig any more.
as I said "who knows"
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