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Post by Victor on Sept 14, 2018 7:36:25 GMT
Oh of course he has the freedom to do whatever the heck he wants. I can have the feeling or thought that I think it would be better if he quit but of course it's ultimately he himself who decides. Why better now ? I could mention reasons but wouldn't that be an endless and pointless discussion in the end ? Personally I don't feel he's doing himself and his reputation any good and just is taking it further down but of course that is my feeling/thought, clearly others feel different about it. I could mention more, but i don't think the discussion would lead anywhere.
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Post by markquo on Sept 14, 2018 8:12:52 GMT
Just change the name to FRQ. Cheers
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Post by curiousgirl on Sept 14, 2018 10:21:40 GMT
Reading this thread reminded me of that very expensive book on Quo 70s legacy which is coming out in Dec this year. andrewlcope.weebly.com/status-quo-mighty-innovators-of-70s-rock.htmlAnd it reminded me of the great reviews written after the 2 reunion tours. But... and here is a controversial view for those saying quit and to prevent damage to their reputation, legacy. From that stance, I think the damage was done post 85. But, and here is what I now think, the fact that they have continued and are still going keeps their music and the old legacy alive. And it encourages fans to look at the glory days, even read this book - if we can afford it. If they had stopped then or even now, they would quickly fade away. I've come to this view from watching the Wacken gig and realising that whilst I don't love the musical arrangement which they play now, the music is still great. And this is why they keep getting bookings and fans and music lovers are turning out to see them. By all means keep saying stop now but I don't think your fears are founded in terms of their legacy. What is more painful is that we don't enjoy seeing them live in the way we'd like.
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Post by markquo on Sept 14, 2018 10:30:41 GMT
IMO JCQ are just as relevant now to FRQ with the amount of original members from the classic line up,hence why I feel a name change is needed. Cheers
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Sept 14, 2018 12:33:39 GMT
Reading this thread reminded me of that very expensive book on Quo 70s legacy which is coming out in Dec this year. andrewlcope.weebly.com/status-quo-mighty-innovators-of-70s-rock.htmlAnd it reminded me of the great reviews written after the 2 reunion tours. But... and here is a controversial view for those saying quit and to prevent damage to their reputation, legacy. From that stance, I think the damage was done post 85. But, and here is what I now think, the fact that they have continued and are still going keeps their music and the old legacy alive. And it encourages fans to look at the glory days, even read this book - if we can afford it. If they had stopped then or even now, they would quickly fade away. I've come to this view from watching the Wacken gig and realising that whilst I don't love the musical arrangement which they play now, the music is still great. And this is why they keep getting bookings and fans and music lovers are turning out to see them. By all means keep saying stop now but I don't think your fears are founded in terms of their legacy. What is more painful is that we don't enjoy seeing them live in the way we'd like.
Totally agree with this, CG ... I've seen in happen (in a way) in other areas. Publicity for the new version raises interest in the old version. And as a performing band, even if they are no more than a patch on what they once were, they still give good gigs and are enjoyed by lots of people, so their reputation is rubbished only to a minority of disappointed ancients*. (*Us.)
They've contended with a dodgy public "reputation" more or less from the moment the Carnaby Street jackets and Francis' dodgy moustache hit the TV-waves. That never went away during the "glory years", the press and public just added new jokes to the pile. There's no particular reason why they should start worrying now.
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Post by paradiseflats on Sept 14, 2018 17:27:08 GMT
Status Quo have a public narrative. It’s not a particularly great one.
However what the band do will barely be noticed outside of their casual fan base.
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Post by paradiseflats on Sept 14, 2018 17:29:24 GMT
I could mention reasons but wouldn't that be an endless and pointless discussion in the end ? Personally I don't feel he's doing himself and his reputation any good and just is taking it further down but of course that is my feeling/thought, clearly others feel different about it. I could mention more, but i don't think the discussion would lead anywhere. I suppose my only comment to this is. He can’t take his reputation any lower. Musically he and his band have already hit the depths musically. I doubt they can be much worse. So to most people they won’t care what he does.
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Post by Victor on Sept 14, 2018 19:34:06 GMT
I could mention reasons but wouldn't that be an endless and pointless discussion in the end ? Personally I don't feel he's doing himself and his reputation any good and just is taking it further down but of course that is my feeling/thought, clearly others feel different about it. I could mention more, but i don't think the discussion would lead anywhere. I suppose my only comment to this is. He can’t take his reputation any lower. Musically he and his band have already hit the depths musically. I doubt they can be much worse. So to most people they won’t care what he does. You make some good points there, PF. I guess that's one of the things I feel about it, a sort of worry that it CAN even get worse. And I feel like "hasn't it sunken enough already.." ... and why ? Because despite the fact that it stopped for me when everything went wrong with Francis (according to my personal view of course) and when Rick passed away and I am only interested in 70-81 and a limited amount of songs after that ... I do care... but you're right, most people won't. Another thing for me is this: Musicians grow and evolve during their career. They can evolve into a better and pleasant person or they can turn into very nasty and grumpy persons... and I personally don't like the person he seems to have become (but of which I realize more and more he's been like that for a long time already) ... an artist who becomes like that doesn't do himself nor his career any good favors. Again, personal opinion only The strange thing is that I will give a new album a listen but I don't think I am going to like what I will hear. But if the unthinkable should happen I will give it deserved respect, FRQ or not.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2018 20:00:29 GMT
I suppose my only comment to this is. He can’t take his reputation any lower. Musically he and his band have already hit the depths musically. I doubt they can be much worse. So to most people they won’t care what he does. You make some good points there, PF. I guess that's one of the things I feel about it, a sort of worry that it CAN even get worse. And I feel like "hasn't it sunken enough already.." ... and why ? Because despite the fact that it stopped for me when everything went wrong with Francis (according to my personal view of course) and when Rick passed away and I am only interested in 70-81 and a limited amount of songs after that ... I do care... but you're right, most people won't. Another thing for me is this: Musicians grow and evolve during their career. They can evolve into a better and pleasant person or they can turn into very nasty and grumpy persons... and I personally don't like the person he seems to have become (but of which I realize more and more he's been like that for a long time already) ... an artist who becomes like that doesn't do himself nor his career any good favors. Again, personal opinion only The strange thing is that I will give a new album a listen but I don't think I am going to like what I will hear. But if the unthinkable should happen I will give it deserved respect, FRQ or not. Francis hasn't changed, he was the same in the 70s, he just has far more influence now, pretty much total since Rick's death.
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Post by Victor on Sept 14, 2018 20:03:13 GMT
You make some good points there, PF. I guess that's one of the things I feel about it, a sort of worry that it CAN even get worse. And I feel like "hasn't it sunken enough already.." ... and why ? Because despite the fact that it stopped for me when everything went wrong with Francis (according to my personal view of course) and when Rick passed away and I am only interested in 70-81 and a limited amount of songs after that ... I do care... but you're right, most people won't. Another thing for me is this: Musicians grow and evolve during their career. They can evolve into a better and pleasant person or they can turn into very nasty and grumpy persons... and I personally don't like the person he seems to have become (but of which I realize more and more he's been like that for a long time already) ... an artist who becomes like that doesn't do himself nor his career any good favors. Again, personal opinion only The strange thing is that I will give a new album a listen but I don't think I am going to like what I will hear. But if the unthinkable should happen I will give it deserved respect, FRQ or not. Francis hasn't changed, he was the same in the 70s, he just has far more influence now, pretty much total since Rick's death. As I said, I am realizing that more and more, that he has been for a long time already.
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Post by clonesydney on Sept 15, 2018 10:43:38 GMT
Reading this thread reminded me of that very expensive book on Quo 70s legacy which is coming out in Dec this year. andrewlcope.weebly.com/status-quo-mighty-innovators-of-70s-rock.htmlAnd it reminded me of the great reviews written after the 2 reunion tours. But... and here is a controversial view for those saying quit and to prevent damage to their reputation, legacy. From that stance, I think the damage was done post 85. But, and here is what I now think, the fact that they have continued and are still going keeps their music and the old legacy alive. And it encourages fans to look at the glory days, even read this book - if we can afford it. If they had stopped then or even now, they would quickly fade away. I've come to this view from watching the Wacken gig and realising that whilst I don't love the musical arrangement which they play now, the music is still great. And this is why they keep getting bookings and fans and music lovers are turning out to see them. By all means keep saying stop now but I don't think your fears are founded in terms of their legacy. What is more painful is that we don't enjoy seeing them live in the way we'd like.
Totally agree with this, CG ... I've seen in happen (in a way) in other areas. Publicity for the new version raises interest in the old version. And as a performing band, even if they are no more than a patch on what they once were, they still give good gigs and are enjoyed by lots of people, so their reputation is rubbished only to a minority of disappointed ancients*. (*Us.)
They've contended with a dodgy public "reputation" more or less from the moment the Carnaby Street jackets and Francis' dodgy moustache hit the TV-waves. That never went away during the "glory years", the press and public just added new jokes to the pile. There's no particular reason why they should start worrying now.
I completely disagree. I think far more people would have checked out the bands 70's output if the band had packed it in post live aid. Their post 85 existence as a ridiculous novelty act completely trampled on any credibility they might have had (and they did have some!) and would I am sure have deterred many younger rock fans from dipping into Quo's back catalogue. That situation continues to this day.
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Post by blagult on Sept 15, 2018 11:28:30 GMT
Quo did not carry any kudo’s in the 70’s or even early 80’s apart from within the walls of their fan base. Not even John Peel could break it. Even he gave up after BFY. In the late 70’s the band were classed as a joke among the Rock Muso’s. It got worse when punk broke!! The fan base came in for a lot of stick as well ! To me public opinion started to change AFTER the Live aid performance.They became more accepted. Not necessarily for just the 70’s stuff either. So I disagree that they had built an FF reputation prior to Live Aid. In fact I think that was only enhanced after the 2013 get together. Suddenly even the Rock Muso’s sat up and acknowledged their contribution in the 70’s.
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