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Post by Whoppa Choppa on Sept 29, 2017 18:47:17 GMT
"Saying so myself, the notes are really good. Rossi admits that circa 'Just Supposin'' he considered quitting Quo to work with co-writer Bernard Frost, and 'Never Too Late' sees him ponder upon where turning up the rock again, a path favoured by Rick and Alan, might have taken the group, instead of getting poppier. "Things could have worked out very differently. We might have gone on to sell as many tickets as AC/DC - or not. "Now I can see that maybe the other guys were right," he adds. "But I just couldn't do it – I like pop melodies, country-rock melodies. That's just me.""
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Post by dontthinkitmatters on Sept 29, 2017 22:46:06 GMT
too hard ?
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Post by freewilly on Sept 30, 2017 1:16:16 GMT
So why the fuck is he carrying on this fucking charade then?!?
I genuinely do appreciate and respect the fact it's not what he wanted to do and that it wasn't in him. But why are you still flogging it then?! Go off and do something you're happy with ffs
EDIT: More to the point, why didn't he compromise? "Rick, Alan...OK, let's do it your way and see how that takes us but, let's vary the material and work together on the albums like we used to do with Piledriver and Hello"
As opposed to...
"No, fuck you Rick! Fuck you Alan! I'm doing it my own way and any songs you write and wanna sing, I'm going to sing them! Alan, get lost! Rick, you have to do Army otherwise kiss your gravy train goodbye"
It's astonishing how people actually defend him and certain individuals think it's about a loyalty to Alan, Rick and John and that we abuse "poor Francis".....No, it's about acknowledging what's good and what's shite
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Post by 4th Chord on Sept 30, 2017 10:25:34 GMT
So why the fuck is he carrying on this fucking charade then?!? I genuinely do appreciate and respect the fact it's not what he wanted to do and that it wasn't in him. But why are you still flogging it then?! Go off and do something you're happy with ffs EDIT: More to the point, why didn't he compromise? "Rick, Alan...OK, let's do it your way and see how that takes us but, let's vary the material and work together on the albums like we used to do with Piledriver and Hello" As opposed to... "No, fuck you Rick! Fuck you Alan! I'm doing it my own way and any songs you write and wanna sing, I'm going to sing them! Alan, get lost! Rick, you have to do Army otherwise kiss your gravy train goodbye" It's astonishing how people actually defend him and certain individuals think it's about a loyalty to Alan, Rick and John and that we abuse "poor Francis".....No, it's about acknowledging what's good and what's shite He dug a hole. He wants to maintain a lifestyle and the only practical way for that to happen has been to tour constantly over the past couple of decades. It got to the stage where it just became too risky to try anything new. Hundreds of identikit gigs. The reason they don’t change the set list is it’s even more work, and I don’t think the gigs have been for the fans for many years now, it’s just about getting paid.
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Post by freewilly on Sept 30, 2017 10:42:07 GMT
So why the fuck is he carrying on this fucking charade then?!? I genuinely do appreciate and respect the fact it's not what he wanted to do and that it wasn't in him. But why are you still flogging it then?! Go off and do something you're happy with ffs EDIT: More to the point, why didn't he compromise? "Rick, Alan...OK, let's do it your way and see how that takes us but, let's vary the material and work together on the albums like we used to do with Piledriver and Hello" As opposed to... "No, fuck you Rick! Fuck you Alan! I'm doing it my own way and any songs you write and wanna sing, I'm going to sing them! Alan, get lost! Rick, you have to do Army otherwise kiss your gravy train goodbye" It's astonishing how people actually defend him and certain individuals think it's about a loyalty to Alan, Rick and John and that we abuse "poor Francis".....No, it's about acknowledging what's good and what's shite He dug a hole. He wants to maintain a lifestyle and the only practical way for that to happen has been to tour constantly over the past couple of decades. It got to the stage where it just became too risky to try anything new. Hundreds of identikit gigs. The reason they don’t change the set list is it’s even more work, and I don’t think the gigs have been for the fans for many years now, it’s just about getting paid. Nothing is for the fans...Even the reunions Maybe Alan and John had the fans in the back of their minds but, understandably and rightfully, Alan just wanted back what was taken away from him. I've no idea why Rick done it exactly but, November 2012, he said the current Quo were "more energetic and heavier." ....He very soon changed his tune on that after the first gig. We all know why Francis done it and why he continues to carry on. If anything was for the fans (And when I say fans, I mean fans!) they would have released MK, NEC 82, remastered albums with proper rare live recordings or studio out takes and not the half arsed job they done recently. Only thing decent about them is the sleeve notes. As I've said before, it's not about a line up or individuals, it's about knowing what's good and what's shite! Plenty of post 86 material I like but, the vast majority of it is pure shite and there's only one person to blame for that. People say (Rossi's tribe) that the rot had set in after BFY....Yeah, they didn't produce anything up to the standard of DOTH, Piledriver, Hello, Quo, OTL, BFY or even RAOTW. But, if anyone can look me in the eye and tell me that RAOTW, IYCSTH, WYW, JS, NTL, even B2B are worse albums than 1982 (When the Rossi take over began), AC (And I like that album) Perfect Remedy, RTYD, Thirsty Work, DS, Famous, TPAOY, BQ and the Aquostics, I would be astounded that you did whilst keeping a straight face
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2017 10:45:35 GMT
Back when the FF was functioning as a united, um..unit.. Quo proved they could do pop/country melodies to a genuinely creatively credible high standard, and furthermore make it work brilliantly as an excellent foil to their gritty uptempo boogie. Claudie, Fine Fine Fine, Break The Rules and Dirty Water are most obvious examples I would choose.
Not just as a foil though, they even combined the country blues melody with the gritty boogie brand to produce the classic Slow Train. The likes of Railroad showed an early feel for this type of thing with its bluesy, country harmonica instrumental and vocal sequences.
Francis didn't need to break what was already fixed. His bandmates were in tune and in board with the pop/country formula in terms of turning them into unique Quo songs.
Its possible to look at ego and the drugs as pointers to all of them losing a winning formula, finally collapsing into the 80's. But in addition to clearer heads, compromise indeed was what was required so that each member of the FF would have stayed happy.
Knowing what we do now (based on what Francis has told us in terms of dissing the very formula and origins of music that made him and his bandmates famous) we also know that he has not only lost understanding of the meaning of compromise, but also because he can't stop flogging a watered down version of what he says he would really like to do (instead of creating the genre properly without insisting on trying to add comedy and parody to it) he can't compromise even with himself and his own true abilities.
After half a century that had some considerable highs, this for me is a crowning sadness and let-down - compounded further by the loss of Rick.
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Post by freewilly on Sept 30, 2017 11:02:22 GMT
Back when the FF was functioning as a united, um..unit.. Quo proved they could do pop/country melodies to a genuinely creatively credible high standard, and furthermore make it work brilliantly as an excellent foil to their gritty uptempo boogie. Claudie, Fine Fine Fine, Break The Rules and Dirty Water are most obvious examples I would choose.
Not just as a foil though, they even combined the country blues melody with the gritty boogie brand to produce the classic Slow Train. The likes of Railroad showed an early feel for this type of thing with its bluesy, country harmonica instrumental and vocal sequences.
Francis didn't need to break what was already fixed. His bandmates were in tune and in board with the pop/country formula in terms of turning them into unique Quo songs.
Its possible to look at ego and the drugs as pointers to all of them losing a winning formula, finally collapsing into the 80's. But in addition to clearer heads, compromise indeed was what was required so that each member of the FF would have stayed happy.
Knowing what we do now (based on what Francis has told us in terms of dissing the very formula and origins of music that made him and his bandmates famous) we also know that he has not only lost understanding of the meaning of compromise, but also because he can't stop flogging a watered down version of what he says he would really like to do (instead of creating the genre properly without insisting on trying to add comedy and parody to it) he can't compromise even with himself and his own true abilities.
After half a century that had some considerable highs, this for me is a crowning sadness and let-down - compounded further by the loss of Rick. Those songs you mentioned...Here's the difference... Songs like those and even Someone Show Me Home are class songs. They all have one thing in common. They were worked on as a group, as a band. Do you honestly think they'd be as good if he told Alan to play the standard bass lines in Claudie or told Rick just play normal chords in Dirty Water? He even told Alan what bass line to play for MT on the basis it was for his solo album ffs It's incredible when you think about it
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Post by curiousgirl on Sept 30, 2017 11:04:30 GMT
Bob Young. He's the only reason that Quo did good country nos early in their career. When you listen to his album In Quo Country, its very clear. Most of the pop/country stuff afterwards, I think suffers from a lack of Bob Young's creative influence.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2017 11:09:03 GMT
He dug a hole. He wants to maintain a lifestyle and the only practical way for that to happen has been to tour constantly over the past couple of decades. It got to the stage where it just became too risky to try anything new. Hundreds of identikit gigs. The reason they don’t change the set list is it’s even more work, and I don’t think the gigs have been for the fans for many years now, it’s just about getting paid. Nothing is for the fans...Even the reunions Maybe Alan and John had the fans in the back of their minds but, understandably and rightfully, Alan just wanted back what was taken away from him. I've no idea why Rick done it exactly but, November 2012, he said the current Quo were "more energetic and heavier." ....He very soon changed his tune on that after the first gig. We all know why Francis done it and why he continues to carry on. If anything was for the fans (And when I say fans, I mean fans!) they would have released MK, NEC 82, remastered albums with proper rare live recordings or studio out takes and not the half arsed job they done recently. Only thing decent about them is the sleeve notes. As I've said before, it's not about a line up or individuals, it's about knowing what's good and what's shite! Plenty of post 86 material I like but, the vast majority of it is pure shite and there's only one person to blame for that. People say (Rossi's tribe) that the rot had set in after BFY....Yeah, they didn't produce anything up to the standard of DOTH, Piledriver, Hello, Quo, OTL, BFY or even RAOTW. But, if anyone can look me in the eye and tell me that RAOTW, IYCSTH, WYW, JS, NTL, even B2B are worse albums than 1982 (When the Rossi take over began), AC (And I like that album) Perfect Remedy, RTYD, Thirsty Work, DS, Famous, TPAOY, BQ and the Aquostics, I would be astounded that you did whilst keeping a straight face I like a fair amount of the post 86 catalogue and (putting personal preferences aside) long ago accepted the differences between the original band and the later date one. The disappointed I echoed above ^^ extends to the refusal to even take faith in their own 'later day' catalogue, let alone increasingly parody the original one. 80 to 90% of it has never seen the light of day beyond the studio production. That is staggering for a 30 yr period.
In this way, Francis not only disses the classic 70's hey-day - but by spearheading the belief that the 'same old' interminably playing the same set, in the same order, of mainly hits endlessly is the way forward, even now after all that has happened, he is also dissing large sections of the best of the 30 yrs since the original band ended.
Its parody of both the FF and CQ
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2017 11:37:58 GMT
Back when the FF was functioning as a united, um..unit.. Quo proved they could do pop/country melodies to a genuinely creatively credible high standard, and furthermore make it work brilliantly as an excellent foil to their gritty uptempo boogie. Claudie, Fine Fine Fine, Break The Rules and Dirty Water are most obvious examples I would choose.
Not just as a foil though, they even combined the country blues melody with the gritty boogie brand to produce the classic Slow Train. The likes of Railroad showed an early feel for this type of thing with its bluesy, country harmonica instrumental and vocal sequences.
Francis didn't need to break what was already fixed. His bandmates were in tune and in board with the pop/country formula in terms of turning them into unique Quo songs.
Its possible to look at ego and the drugs as pointers to all of them losing a winning formula, finally collapsing into the 80's. But in addition to clearer heads, compromise indeed was what was required so that each member of the FF would have stayed happy.
Knowing what we do now (based on what Francis has told us in terms of dissing the very formula and origins of music that made him and his bandmates famous) we also know that he has not only lost understanding of the meaning of compromise, but also because he can't stop flogging a watered down version of what he says he would really like to do (instead of creating the genre properly without insisting on trying to add comedy and parody to it) he can't compromise even with himself and his own true abilities.
After half a century that had some considerable highs, this for me is a crowning sadness and let-down - compounded further by the loss of Rick. Those songs you mentioned...Here's the difference... Songs like those and even Someone Show Me Home are class songs. They all have one thing in common. They were worked on as a group, as a band. Do you honestly think they'd be as good if he told Alan to play the standard bass lines in Claudie or told Rick just play normal chords in Dirty Water? He even told Alan what bass line to play for MT on the basis it was for his solo album ffs It's incredible when you think about it Yes, I could have added SSMH
Francis has written much better songs since, but its unsettling that MT stands out so much to him as a prototype song for his ambitions. As a one-off (apparently) spoof song back then with a faux country twang, it wasn't anything that bothered me. But it wasn't to be known then, what a flag-bearer it would be to highlight his preferences and future desired direction for Quo.
It took him to 2010 to properly try to represent the best of his choice of the the old and new of Quo - and personally I highly welcomed and enjoyed that. But time has shown that despite the joy of the reunions, his heart wasn't in that just as much as his heart isn't in following up any of his own personal ambitions shown in 2010. Excepting the intended project with Hannah of course, but the jury is very much out as to whether this is going to be a 'serious creative project' or just more light-hearted spoof parody.
I like his personal preferences, but the way he has followed a watered down path of both Quo's and his own ambitions means that settling for ordinariness as a means of keeping making money, is completely unacceptable. From this fans stand-point.
Not even the rekindled partnership with Bob Young has done enough to elevate things. Their last offerings on QPQ imo were the weakest collaborations they have ever written.
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Post by Victor on Sept 30, 2017 11:47:49 GMT
Nothing is for the fans...Even the reunions Maybe Alan and John had the fans in the back of their minds but, understandably and rightfully, Alan just wanted back what was taken away from him. I've no idea why Rick done it exactly but, November 2012, he said the current Quo were "more energetic and heavier." ....He very soon changed his tune on that after the first gig. We all know why Francis done it and why he continues to carry on. If anything was for the fans (And when I say fans, I mean fans!) they would have released MK, NEC 82, remastered albums with proper rare live recordings or studio out takes and not the half arsed job they done recently. Only thing decent about them is the sleeve notes. As I've said before, it's not about a line up or individuals, it's about knowing what's good and what's shite! Plenty of post 86 material I like but, the vast majority of it is pure shite and there's only one person to blame for that. People say (Rossi's tribe) that the rot had set in after BFY....Yeah, they didn't produce anything up to the standard of DOTH, Piledriver, Hello, Quo, OTL, BFY or even RAOTW. But, if anyone can look me in the eye and tell me that RAOTW, IYCSTH, WYW, JS, NTL, even B2B are worse albums than 1982 (When the Rossi take over began), AC (And I like that album) Perfect Remedy, RTYD, Thirsty Work, DS, Famous, TPAOY, BQ and the Aquostics, I would be astounded that you did whilst keeping a straight face I like a fair amount of the post 86 catalogue and (putting personal preferences aside) long ago accepted the differences between the original band and the later date one. The disappointed I echoed above ^^ extends to the refusal to even take faith in their own 'later day' catalogue, let alone increasingly parody the original one. 80 to 90% of it has never seen the light of day beyond the studio production. That is staggering for a 30 yr period.
In this way, Francis not only disses the classic 70's hey-day - but by spearheading the belief that the 'same old' interminably playing the same set, in the same order, of mainly hits endlessly is the way forward, even now after all that has happened, he is also dissing large sections of the best of the 30 yrs since the original band ended.
Its parody of both the FF and CQ
Yep, sadly enough that is exactly what it is. There's enough even in the CQ catalog that would have been good enough to play live and/or build further on those that are good songs.
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Post by curiousgirl on Sept 30, 2017 12:28:26 GMT
Upsetting though they are to read, when looking at what Francis says, it is also good read the excitement from Rick and Alan.
This is from Hello notes.
Parfitt: "We were bubbling over with ideas. All of the licks had yet to be written, and we were finding them by the day."
"There was a spark and the brilliant thing is that nobody could tell us what to do." Lancaster elaborates. "The record company didn't get a say. Can you imagine what their reaction to a song as over the top as Forty-Five Hundred Times" would have been?"
Its great to know that 3 of the 4 band members share our experience of the music.
Also with hindsight, its clear to me why those early albums were so great. Writing music was all new and they were learning things. It does get harder to maintain that level as time passes. Especially over a 50 year period.
"Hello?" Francis Rossi echoes, "Nice record. Very proud of it."
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Post by freewilly on Sept 30, 2017 13:10:28 GMT
Upsetting though they are to read, when looking at what Francis says, it is also good read the excitement from Rick and Alan. This is from Hello notes. Parfitt: "We were bubbling over with ideas. All of the licks had yet to be written, and we were finding them by the day."
"There was a spark and the brilliant thing is that nobody could tell us what to do." Lancaster elaborates. "The record company didn't get a say. Can you imagine what their reaction to a song as over the top as Forty-Five Hundred Times" would have been?"Its great to know that 3 of the 4 band members share our experience of the music. Also with hindsight, its clear to me why those early albums were so great. Writing music was all new and they were learning things. It does get harder to maintain that level as time passes. Especially over a 50 year period. "Hello?" Francis Rossi echoes, "Nice record. Very proud of it." Disagree with your point about getting harder to maintain the level. Hate using them as a reference but, if you look at the songwriting on U2's albums, they got stronger and stronger as years went by. Same could be said about The Beatles. Even Queen on their last two albums.. I think the key to it all is team work. We can all have different influences and styles but, if you're in a band and you all pull towards the goal of making an album where the music comes first, then it happens You can hear it on Quo's albums. The last time it felt like I was hearing a "band" on record was probably NTL. Dear John is a good song but, the album is on, you can hear something a miss. TCTTG on Back to Back... If Rick had sung that in his melodic, soft voice, it could have had so much more emotion and character because it was written from his personal perspective. Instead, it was nicked from him and Francis can't and doesn't put himself into the character that Rick was writing about. He does a fine job of it though. But that's the point... Ego came first, music came second
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Post by curiousgirl on Sept 30, 2017 13:29:29 GMT
Upsetting though they are to read, when looking at what Francis says, it is also good read the excitement from Rick and Alan. This is from Hello notes. Parfitt: "We were bubbling over with ideas. All of the licks had yet to be written, and we were finding them by the day."
"There was a spark and the brilliant thing is that nobody could tell us what to do." Lancaster elaborates. "The record company didn't get a say. Can you imagine what their reaction to a song as over the top as Forty-Five Hundred Times" would have been?"Its great to know that 3 of the 4 band members share our experience of the music. Also with hindsight, its clear to me why those early albums were so great. Writing music was all new and they were learning things. It does get harder to maintain that level as time passes. Especially over a 50 year period. "Hello?" Francis Rossi echoes, "Nice record. Very proud of it." Disagree with your point about getting harder to maintain the level. Hate using them as a reference but, if you look at the songwriting on U2's albums, they got stronger and stronger as years went by. Same could be said about The Beatles. Even Queen on their last two albums.. I think the key to it all is team work. We can all have different influences and styles but, if you're in a band and you all pull towards the goal of making an album where the music comes first, then it happens You can hear it on Quo's albums. The last time it felt like I was hearing a "band" on record was probably NTL. Dear John is a good song but, the album is on, you can hear something a miss. TCTTG on Back to Back... If Rick had sung that in his melodic, soft voice, it could have had so much more emotion and character because it was written from his personal perspective. Instead, it was nicked from him and Francis can't and doesn't put himself into the character that Rick was writing about. He does a fine job of it though. But that's the point... Ego came first, music came second On reflection, I do agree with much of this and no problems with the bands you quote but I don't know them well. I was gonna repeat the point about energy of youth but then I remembered some of the steril music that comes out of X-factor type shows. I totally agree on the magic which came from them playing together. The later albums lack a sense of cohearance as we know they were recorded in different studios. But I also know that as you get older, it does become harder to come up with fresh ideas. Even one of my fav musos, Mark Knopler seems to have gone off the boil for me with he latest album.
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Post by markquo on Sept 30, 2017 15:31:06 GMT
Personally I couldn’t care less what Rossi says anymore haven’t for a very long time Cheers
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