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Post by dennis on May 6, 2017 12:46:47 GMT
Just listening to the four of them jamming together. I couldn't help but have a bit of a tear in my eye.
At the same time I inevitably reflected on all those wasted years - the stupid bastards!
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Post by freewilly on May 6, 2017 12:48:14 GMT
Only one of them was stupid
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Post by dennis on May 6, 2017 12:56:51 GMT
Only one of them was stupid I know where you're coming from, but have to disagree somewhat. What was the reaction from Alan & Rick when John was so rapidly disposed of? The impression is one of little more than a shrug of the shoulders.
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Post by paradiseflats on May 6, 2017 13:06:12 GMT
Only one of them was stupid Nothing like re writing history.
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Post by freewilly on May 6, 2017 13:41:53 GMT
Only one of them was stupid Nothing like re writing history. In terms of the music, no it's not re-writing history, it's true. But, I wasn't thinking in terms of the other factors, like Dennis is after pointing out
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Post by freewilly on May 6, 2017 13:42:31 GMT
Only one of them was stupid I know where you're coming from, but have to disagree somewhat. What was the reaction from Alan & Rick when John was so rapidly disposed of? The impression is one of little more than a shrug of the shoulders. True. I was looking at it from a musical standpoint, as opposed to the other factors
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Post by paradiseflats on May 6, 2017 13:52:42 GMT
Nothing like re writing history. In terms of the music, no it's not re-writing history, it's true. But, I wasn't thinking in terms of the other factors, like Dennis is after pointing out Musically even more so it's rewriting history. There is plenty of crimes against music to go around the song writers.
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Post by freewilly on May 6, 2017 14:18:58 GMT
In terms of the music, no it's not re-writing history, it's true. But, I wasn't thinking in terms of the other factors, like Dennis is after pointing out Musically even more so it's rewriting history. There is plenty of crimes against music to go around the song writers. Unless I'm mistaken, I'm pretty sure it wasn't Rick's, Alan's and John's idea to ditch rock and go the opposite direction so I've no clue what you mean by the last post Considering Francis wrote the vast majority of Thirsty Work and Perfect Remedy and dictated over Back to Back, I'm safe in the knowledge to know it wasn't Rick's idea and certainly not Alan's and John's
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Post by paradiseflats on May 6, 2017 14:27:52 GMT
Musically even more so it's rewriting history. There is plenty of crimes against music to go around the song writers. Unless I'm mistaken, I'm pretty sure it wasn't Rick's, Alan's and John's idea to ditch rock and go the opposite direction so I've no clue what you mean by the last post Considering Francis wrote the vast majority of Thirsty Work and Perfect Remedy and dictated over Back to Back, I'm safe in the knowledge to know it wasn't Rick's idea and certainly not Alan's and John's So why did Rick and Alan write such rubbish after Never too late. Rossi forced them ? Also you take the music out of its historical context. Most bands tried to move towards melodic rock. Look at Saxon et al. Yes Francis led the band and in the wrong direction but perhaps Alan and Rick could have shown some back bone much earlier.
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Post by freewilly on May 6, 2017 14:33:21 GMT
Unless I'm mistaken, I'm pretty sure it wasn't Rick's, Alan's and John's idea to ditch rock and go the opposite direction so I've no clue what you mean by the last post Considering Francis wrote the vast majority of Thirsty Work and Perfect Remedy and dictated over Back to Back, I'm safe in the knowledge to know it wasn't Rick's idea and certainly not Alan's and John's So why did Rick and Alan write such rubbish after Never too late. Rossi forced them ? Also you take the music out of its historical context. Most bands tried to move towards melodic rock. Look at Saxon et al. Yes Francis led the band and in the wrong direction but perhaps Alan and Rick could have shown some back bone much earlier. Agreed they should have shown more backbone....Well, Alan did but, Francis threw his toys out of the pram. As for writing shite, whatever about Alan but, Rick didn't. TCTTG, Lonely, Overdose etc are certainly not shite
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Post by paradiseflats on May 6, 2017 14:37:15 GMT
So why did Rick and Alan write such rubbish after Never too late. Rossi forced them ? Also you take the music out of its historical context. Most bands tried to move towards melodic rock. Look at Saxon et al. Yes Francis led the band and in the wrong direction but perhaps Alan and Rick could have shown some back bone much earlier. Agreed they should have shown more backbone....Well, Alan did but, Francis threw his toys out of the pram. As for writing shite, whatever about Alan but, Rick didn't. TCTTG, Lonely, Overdose etc are certainly not shite The fact I have no idea what those songs sound like apart from Overdose which is shite speaks volumes.
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Post by freewilly on May 6, 2017 14:39:33 GMT
Agreed they should have shown more backbone....Well, Alan did but, Francis threw his toys out of the pram. As for writing shite, whatever about Alan but, Rick didn't. TCTTG, Lonely, Overdose etc are certainly not shite The fact I have no idea what those songs sound like apart from Overdose which is shite speaks volumes. Missing out so. TCTTG is a great song.
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Post by paradiseflats on May 6, 2017 14:45:56 GMT
The fact I have no idea what those songs sound like apart from Overdose which is shite speaks volumes. Missing out so. TCTTG is a great song. What is that ?
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Post by gav on May 6, 2017 14:47:15 GMT
From what i've read/surmised, Rossi was always the team player, pairing up with Bob then Bernie. So it'd be a bit easier for him to get his songs on albums in the eyes of the record company.
It's known that Alan & Rick were competitive within Quo, and while Quo were at their peak, they were all trying to get a quota of songs on the albums.
I would 'guess' that they both saw Rossi becoming more poppy and thought that the only way to get their songs on albums would be to dilute their own material.
That said, it's not an exact science - rather a more subtle, gradual shift over time. IMO.
It's a shame that the songwriting became split up in later years as they're all interesting, verstile writers in their own right. But it seems Rossi had the edge always favouring a co-writer, almost without exception.
Not sure it's about 'backbone' as such. They (Alan & Rick) probably thought that if they didn't change/evolve, Quo's record sales would drop and they might even be dropped themselves. Also, the money! Again, a gradual realization.
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Post by freewilly on May 6, 2017 14:50:13 GMT
Missing out so. TCTTG is a great song. What is that ? Too Close To The Ground
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