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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Feb 6, 2017 20:07:46 GMT
Creativity and passion dies with age. Kicking on 70 now nd things are not the same. I wouldn't expect them to have the same creativity. Why do some people get stuck in a time warp that is 1976. QUO started doing it by numbers in 1982 And 1984 2 very average albums ... and it was F3 then ! They had lost it then ! Of course the sound will be different with Ritchie but totally disagree that the sound has deteriated badly.. that's just being dellusional because you don't want to or cannot come to terms with anything else ! Disagreed. First of all creativity and passion doesn't have to die with age at all. That's completely dependent on every artist. Some artists creativity dies, others doesn't. Also, if someone prefers the sound of the FF and thinks the sound after that deteriated then that is their personal opinion and has nothing to do with being delusional. Yes, I liked certain things from Qup after the FF period... but nothing that came after has been as good as the ff period was. Again, nothing to do with being delusional and everything to do with what I personally think and prefer. It's a tricky thing though, Quo have been kind of creative on albums between 2002-2011. Live was very stagnant and was why I stopped going, could not justify the cost. For me nothing is better than the FF era however I still like the later stuff and don't bash it. It's a bit like Deep Purple. Ian Gillan insisits they are a current band and not living off past glories, which is partly true but without Blackmore and Jon Lord (RIP). Many think the Deep Purple sound is not there and so they are not Deep Purple. Again I don't mind the later stuff but 1970-73 was the greatest era of the band. The problem for any artist is that they want to be moving forward all the time not re-living the past. I can see where Francis is coming from re the 70s. Like Jon Anderson did not want to keep playing Fragile and Close To The Edge part 2, musicians are a funny bunch. |
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Post by Victor on Feb 6, 2017 20:14:49 GMT
Disagreed. First of all creativity and passion doesn't have to die with age at all. That's completely dependent on every artist. Some artists creativity dies, others doesn't. Also, if someone prefers the sound of the FF and thinks the sound after that deteriated then that is their personal opinion and has nothing to do with being delusional. Yes, I liked certain things from Qup after the FF period... but nothing that came after has been as good as the ff period was. Again, nothing to do with being delusional and everything to do with what I personally think and prefer. It's a tricky thing though, Quo have been kind of creative on albums between 2002-2011. Live was very stagnant and was why I stopped going, could not justify the cost. For me nothing is better than the FF era however I still like the later stuff and don't bash it.It's a bit like Deep Purple. Ian Gillan insisits they are a current band and not living off past glories, which is partly true but without Blackmore and Jon Lord (RIP). Many think the Deep Purple sound is not there and so they are not Deep Purple. Again I don't mind the later stuff but 1970-73 was the greatest era of the band. The problem for any artist is that they want to be moving forward all the time not re-living the past. I can see where Francis is coming from re the 70s. Like Jon Anderson did not want to keep playing Fragile and Close To The Edge part 2, musicians are a funny bunch. And that's one of the crucial things for me about it all. I have followed Quo up to QPQ, have praised what I liked of what came after NTL and have criticized what I didn't like. But that has nothing to do with being delusional in any way for me. Sure, artists want to move on and it's their right to do so, but it's the right of a fan to either like it or not. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2017 20:18:46 GMT
The majority of "disrespected" fans are still queueing up to buy gig tickets though and the bottom line is the music industry is and always has been about making money so Quo isn't alone in behaving like this. Bands don't make their money from the real hardcore fans, they make their money from average punters who liked the singles and go to hear them in their droves. Beg to differ. I personally don't think you can call the fans who went to see them in the 70s and 80s "average punters" In fact, i'd be astounded if one of those kind were one of the one's singing the line "Be My Friend" in 4500 Times at MK or bouncing up and down for the vast majority of album and b side dominated gigs.... Obviously, since 1988 it's been somewhat different though A band at the height of its popularity is a very different beast from what it becomes thirty odd years down the road when you're classed as a "vintage" or "heritage" act. Also back in the 70's and 80s fans had no choice but to go to the record shop and buy the album and later the cd, now even fans cherrypick by buying from i-tunes or the like so the active involvement of fans in a complete album has gradually diminished over the years and still is with things like Spotify. Speaking as someone who started gigging in the 70s and has spent the time since then working as a musician, song writer and producer I know that most people who come to see me live now only want the big songs, it's a handful who want the obscure album tracks, which musically in my opinion quite often were better but the record companies wouldn't touch with a bargepole as a single and back in those days we depended on singles selling not only for revenue but mainly for radio play which got people to buy the album, the whole album. So now for many bands of my era it's either go out and play what people heard on Radio 1 or saw on Top of The Pops quite often with a vastly changed line up or stop touring and get out of music as livings still have to be made and bills still have to paid. |
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Post by freewilly on Feb 6, 2017 20:20:52 GMT
Creativity and passion dies with age. Kicking on 70 now nd things are not the same. I wouldn't expect them to have the same creativity. Why do some people get stuck in a time warp that is 1976. QUO started doing it by numbers in 1982 And 1984 2 very average albums ... and it was F3 then ! They had lost it then ! Of course the sound will be different with Ritchie but totally disagree that the sound has deteriated badly.. that's just being dellusional because you don't want to or cannot come to terms with anything else ! Delusional? So me and everyone else, who thinks the sound has become thinner since Rick left and those who paid money to go to the gigs, who said Rossi's guitar was much louder and fuller than Malone's is delusional? Yeah OK, whatever  I find this whole "stuck in the 70s" thing quite insulting and patronising tbh. I also find the people who say this haven't a clue what they are talking about.....I'm 28 years of age. I have no clue what the 70's were like. I listen to and love U2, The Stone Roses, Oasis, Franz Ferdinand, The Prodigy, Deadmau5, The Scissor Sisters, Blues music from before the 50's, Bands from the 60s, George Ezra....How am I stuck in the 70s when I listen to and love all that and never even existed in the 70s? It's very simple. People want Status Quo. People want the band who produced those magical tracks. Rossi can do all the country songs he wants. No one has a problem with them. He done it with SSMH, FFF, Claudie, Rearrange etc....But, the country/pop songs he wrote are always going to be judged against them because they were great songs. Even Invitation is far from a bad song and that's country. If people can't quite grasp that people want great music, then it's beyond any reasonable or sound explanation. It has nothing to do with being stuck in "time warp" In fact, you could say the ones stuck in the time warp are those who still claim it's Status Quo and that it's still the same band. Purely because they're afraid to let go of their youth and a time of their lives that means something to them |
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Post by freewilly on Feb 6, 2017 20:27:30 GMT
Beg to differ. I personally don't think you can call the fans who went to see them in the 70s and 80s "average punters" In fact, i'd be astounded if one of those kind were one of the one's singing the line "Be My Friend" in 4500 Times at MK or bouncing up and down for the vast majority of album and b side dominated gigs.... Obviously, since 1988 it's been somewhat different though A band at the height of its popularity is a very different beast from what it becomes thirty odd years down the road when you're classed as a "vintage" or "heritage" act. Also back in the 70's and 80s fans had no choice but to go to the record shop and buy the album and later the cd, now even fans cherrypick by buying from i-tunes or the like so the active involvement of fans in a complete album has gradually diminished over the years and still is with things like Spotify. Speaking as someone who started gigging in the 70s and has spent the time since then working as a musician, song writer and producer I know that most people who come to see me live now only want the big songs, it's a handful who want the obscure album tracks, which musically in my opinion quite often were better but the record companies wouldn't touch with a bargepole as a single and back in those days we depended on singles selling not only for revenue but mainly for radio play which got people to buy the album, the whole album. So now for many bands of my era it's either go out and play what people heard on Radio 1 or saw on Top of The Pops quite often with a vastly changed line up or stop touring and get out of music as livings still have to be made and bills still have to paid. The thing about changing line ups is that while it may work for some bands (Metallica, AC/DC, Guns n Roses, Rolling Stones) it doesn't work for some. Suffice to say, no one would have had a problem with the post 86 line ups if they sounded better than the original line up. I remember between 2002-2007 and the old forum was full of praise for how the band sounded and that it was the best they had sounded since the FF....But, they never did manage to sound better than them. Whatever those four done on stage and in the studio...Whatever way they clicked....It was just that good. Not to say the other line ups weren't. I loved the gigs so much I went to 50 or 60 of them. I loved a lot of the post 86 material....It just wasn't up to the standard of the FF |
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Post by Victor on Feb 6, 2017 20:36:34 GMT
Creativity and passion dies with age. Kicking on 70 now nd things are not the same. I wouldn't expect them to have the same creativity. Why do some people get stuck in a time warp that is 1976. QUO started doing it by numbers in 1982 And 1984 2 very average albums ... and it was F3 then ! They had lost it then ! Of course the sound will be different with Ritchie but totally disagree that the sound has deteriated badly.. that's just being dellusional because you don't want to or cannot come to terms with anything else ! Delusional? So me and everyone else, who thinks the sound has become thinner since Rick left and those who paid money to go to the gigs, who said Rossi's guitar was much louder and fuller than Malone's is delusional? Yeah OK, whatever I find this whole "stuck in the 70s" thing quite insulting and patronising tbh. I also find the people who say this haven't a clue what they are talking about.....I'm 28 years of age. I have no clue what the 70's were like. I listen to and love U2, The Stone Roses, Oasis, Franz Ferdinand, The Prodigy, Deadmau5, The Scissor Sisters, Blues music from before the 50's, Bands from the 60s, George Ezra....How am I stuck in the 70s when I listen to and love all that and never even existed in the 70s? It's very simple. People want Status Quo. People want the band who produced those magical tracks. Rossi can do all the country songs he wants. No one has a problem with them. He done it with SSMH, FFF, Claudie, Rearrange etc....But, the country/pop songs he wrote are always going to be judged against them because they were great songs. Even Invitation is far from a bad song and that's country. If people can't quite grasp that people want great music, then it's beyond any reasonable or sound explanation. It has nothing to do with being stuck in "time warp" In fact, you could say the ones stuck in the time warp are those who still claim it's Status Quo and that it's still the same band. Purely because they're afraid to let go of their youth and a time of their lives that means something to them Agree with you there. I really think those sort of remarks about being "stuck in the seventies" are a bit much. Like you I listen to lots and lots of sorts of music and many of them don't even have anything to do with the seventies. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2017 20:38:29 GMT
A band at the height of its popularity is a very different beast from what it becomes thirty odd years down the road when you're classed as a "vintage" or "heritage" act. Also back in the 70's and 80s fans had no choice but to go to the record shop and buy the album and later the cd, now even fans cherrypick by buying from i-tunes or the like so the active involvement of fans in a complete album has gradually diminished over the years and still is with things like Spotify. Speaking as someone who started gigging in the 70s and has spent the time since then working as a musician, song writer and producer I know that most people who come to see me live now only want the big songs, it's a handful who want the obscure album tracks, which musically in my opinion quite often were better but the record companies wouldn't touch with a bargepole as a single and back in those days we depended on singles selling not only for revenue but mainly for radio play which got people to buy the album, the whole album. So now for many bands of my era it's either go out and play what people heard on Radio 1 or saw on Top of The Pops quite often with a vastly changed line up or stop touring and get out of music as livings still have to be made and bills still have to paid. The thing about changing line ups is that while it may work for some bands (Metallica, AC/DC, Guns n Roses, Rolling Stones) it doesn't work for some. Suffice to say, no one would have had a problem with the post 86 line ups if they sounded better than the original line up. I remember between 2002-2007 and the old forum was full of praise for how the band sounded and that it was the best they had sounded since the FF....But, they never did manage to sound better than them. Whatever those four done on stage and in the studio...Whatever way they clicked....It was just that good. Not to say the other line ups weren't. I loved the gigs so much I went to 50 or 60 of them. I loved a lot of the post 86 material....It just wasn't up to the standard of the FF I totally agree! Shock horror! All bands will have one line up that just somehow gels creatively, musically. socially - everything is in sync and everything before of after just isn't quite the same. The trick is making that last, which with rock musician egos is nigh on impossible and back in the day even harder when coke and alcohol were the currency. I hope your band doesn't suffer the same fate, especially if you get a big bucks recording contract. |
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Post by freewilly on Feb 6, 2017 20:47:00 GMT
The thing about changing line ups is that while it may work for some bands (Metallica, AC/DC, Guns n Roses, Rolling Stones) it doesn't work for some. Suffice to say, no one would have had a problem with the post 86 line ups if they sounded better than the original line up. I remember between 2002-2007 and the old forum was full of praise for how the band sounded and that it was the best they had sounded since the FF....But, they never did manage to sound better than them. Whatever those four done on stage and in the studio...Whatever way they clicked....It was just that good. Not to say the other line ups weren't. I loved the gigs so much I went to 50 or 60 of them. I loved a lot of the post 86 material....It just wasn't up to the standard of the FF I totally agree! Shock horror! All bands will have one line up that just somehow gels creatively, musically. socially - everything is in sync and everything before of after just isn't quite the same. The trick is making that last, which with rock musician egos is nigh on impossible and back in the day even harder when coke and alcohol were the currency. I hope your band doesn't suffer the same fate, especially if you get a big bucks recording contract. Cheers man. Time will tell this summer, when the music comes out. Will send you it on and get your opinion when the recording is finished |
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Feb 6, 2017 20:57:43 GMT
Delusional? So me and everyone else, who thinks the sound has become thinner since Rick left and those who paid money to go to the gigs, who said Rossi's guitar was much louder and fuller than Malone's is delusional? Yeah OK, whatever I find this whole "stuck in the 70s" thing quite insulting and patronising tbh. I also find the people who say this haven't a clue what they are talking about.....I'm 28 years of age. I have no clue what the 70's were like. I listen to and love U2, The Stone Roses, Oasis, Franz Ferdinand, The Prodigy, Deadmau5, The Scissor Sisters, Blues music from before the 50's, Bands from the 60s, George Ezra....How am I stuck in the 70s when I listen to and love all that and never even existed in the 70s? It's very simple. People want Status Quo. People want the band who produced those magical tracks. Rossi can do all the country songs he wants. No one has a problem with them. He done it with SSMH, FFF, Claudie, Rearrange etc....But, the country/pop songs he wrote are always going to be judged against them because they were great songs. Even Invitation is far from a bad song and that's country. If people can't quite grasp that people want great music, then it's beyond any reasonable or sound explanation. It has nothing to do with being stuck in "time warp" In fact, you could say the ones stuck in the time warp are those who still claim it's Status Quo and that it's still the same band. Purely because they're afraid to let go of their youth and a time of their lives that means something to them Agree with you there. I really think those sort of remarks about being "stuck in the seventies" are a bit much. Like you I listen to lots and lots of sorts of music and many of them don't even have anything to do with the seventies. He is a difficult man to read that's for sure. I can only assume that by the "Stuck in the seventies" remark. he means everything being dnr dnr dnr (Fast or slow Quo boogie). Which while Francis likes some of it he does not want everything to sound like it. Which I can understand, I think it would have been Alan who wanted that would not budge on some of Francis country songs. Then you can see how tensions would rise again. Rick you could not read at times on one had he said he liked MT and the band needed colour to survive. Then on the other hand he said he was a rocker so who knows which way he wanted things. It does seem though if a song does not have a catchy melody Francis is not interested. I can see what he meant about QPQ being unbalanced, it's a fine album but there is no light and shade. Fourth Chord had a better balance of light and shade. |
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Post by freewilly on Feb 6, 2017 21:27:47 GMT
Agree with you there. I really think those sort of remarks about being "stuck in the seventies" are a bit much. Like you I listen to lots and lots of sorts of music and many of them don't even have anything to do with the seventies. He is a difficult man to read that's for sure. I can only assume that by the "Stuck in the seventies" remark. he means everything being dnr dnr dnr (Fast or slow Quo boogie). Which while Francis likes some of it he does not want everything to sound like it. Which I can understand, I think it would have been Alan who wanted that would not budge on some of Francis country songs. Then you can see how tensions would rise again. Rick you could not read at times on one had he said he liked MT and the band needed colour to survive. Then on the other hand he said he was a rocker so who knows which way he wanted things. It does seem though if a song does not have a catchy melody Francis is not interested. I can see what he meant about QPQ being unbalanced, it's a fine album but there is no light and shade. Fourth Chord had a better balance of light and shade. It's interesting.... We've only got Francis' word on that....Alan denies it. While that's the direction he obviously leaned towards, I find it hard to believe that a man who wrote A Year, BFY and played on things like LOAI, RnR, SSMH, Claudie would refuse to do things like that if they were good songs. He even pushed to record MT for Rossi's solo album and Francis himself said it's an absolute perfect bass line so, who knows what really went on? |
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Feb 6, 2017 21:38:17 GMT
He is a difficult man to read that's for sure. I can only assume that by the "Stuck in the seventies" remark. he means everything being dnr dnr dnr (Fast or slow Quo boogie). Which while Francis likes some of it he does not want everything to sound like it. Which I can understand, I think it would have been Alan who wanted that would not budge on some of Francis country songs. Then you can see how tensions would rise again. Rick you could not read at times on one had he said he liked MT and the band needed colour to survive. Then on the other hand he said he was a rocker so who knows which way he wanted things. It does seem though if a song does not have a catchy melody Francis is not interested. I can see what he meant about QPQ being unbalanced, it's a fine album but there is no light and shade. Fourth Chord had a better balance of light and shade. It's interesting.... We've only got Francis' word on that....Alan denies it. While that's the direction he obviously leaned towards, I find it hard to believe that a man who wrote A Year, BFY and played on things like LOAI, RnR, SSMH, Claudie would refuse to do things like that if they were good songs. He even pushed to record MT for Rossi's solo album and Francis himself said it's an absolute perfect bass line so, who knows what really went on? Alan did say he had no problem recording it but considered it B side material or a Francis solo track. He just didn't want it released as Status Quo. I think by 1983 all the old grievences had come to a head that was all. Coke flying around like dandruff, it was just a mess. I think after 2014 Francis just didn't want to do a FF album at that time. There may have been a possibilty to do one later on maybe even in 2018. However he wanted to do his solo albums, which he has been trying to do since 2013. Bula Quo should have been knocked on the head. It might have been fun to make but that took up so much time they could have done something much more creative themselves in that time. I suppose though it's like in 1986 you have been given the money to make a certian product and the backers want their product. |
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Post by Quoincidence on Feb 6, 2017 21:55:15 GMT
I really think the reason the creativity within the band started going down the drain is because Pip was brought in... Rossi simply got lazy playing solo's or even coming up with one and simply said Pip you do it. They weren't producing their own material any more, so they didn't have total control how albums ended up and more than anything songs that were given the green light and other that were thrown out causing friction with band members... And since Alan wasn't around as much during late '76 early '77 period, it wouldn't have been hard for them to go behind his back and decide to scrap his song for someone elses.
I wouldn't have been pleased either... Rossi really should've done his solo album in 1983 or maybe left Marguerita Time until he started doing recording 'Flying Debris' with Bernie Frost. I think (as he says in Hello Quo), It was Going Down Town Tonight more than anything cause that was just a Rossi song and not performed by the band... (if thats 100% true, we do not know)
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Post by freewilly on Feb 6, 2017 22:02:59 GMT
I really think the reason the creativity within the band started going down the drain is because Pip was brought in... Rossi simply got lazy playing solo's or even coming up with one and simply said Pip you do it. They weren't producing their own material any more, so they didn't have total control how albums ended up and more than anything songs that were given the green light and other that were thrown out causing friction with band members... And since Alan wasn't around as much during late '76 early '77 period, it wouldn't have been hard for them to go behind his back and decide to scrap his song for someone elses. I wouldn't have been pleased either... Rossi really should've done his solo album in 1983 or maybe left Marguerita Time until he started doing recording 'Flying Debris' with Bernie Frost. I think (as he says in Hello Quo), It was Going Down Town Tonight more than anything cause that was just a Rossi song and not performed by the band... (if thats 100% true, we do not know) The story is that's why they re-recorded it. The stories I've heard from that period, Rossi was out of control. Rick walking in on him singing Too Close To The Ground, the GDTT incident, The Ol' Rag Blues incident...Makes one wonder why he got on his high horse over MT but, alas |
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Post by Quoincidence on Feb 6, 2017 22:08:47 GMT
I really think the reason the creativity within the band started going down the drain is because Pip was brought in... Rossi simply got lazy playing solo's or even coming up with one and simply said Pip you do it. They weren't producing their own material any more, so they didn't have total control how albums ended up and more than anything songs that were given the green light and other that were thrown out causing friction with band members... And since Alan wasn't around as much during late '76 early '77 period, it wouldn't have been hard for them to go behind his back and decide to scrap his song for someone elses. I wouldn't have been pleased either... Rossi really should've done his solo album in 1983 or maybe left Marguerita Time until he started doing recording 'Flying Debris' with Bernie Frost. I think (as he says in Hello Quo), It was Going Down Town Tonight more than anything cause that was just a Rossi song and not performed by the band... (if thats 100% true, we do not know) The story is that's why they re-recorded it. The stories I've heard from that period, Rossi was out of control. Rick walking in on him singing Too Close To The Ground, the GDTT incident, The Ol' Rag Blues incident...Makes one wonder why he got on his high horse over MT but, alas What's the 'Too Close To The Ground' story? I think Rossi just got really big headed around this time... More than likely cause management and record label were so far up his arse whilst his money was in their noses. I remember the story of him having a go at Rick backstage after Roadhouse Blues during one of the End of The Road gigs cause he was stood on Rossi's cable making it a difficult task for him to walk over to the front of the stage on Alans side... |
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Post by freewilly on Feb 6, 2017 22:11:51 GMT
The story is that's why they re-recorded it. The stories I've heard from that period, Rossi was out of control. Rick walking in on him singing Too Close To The Ground, the GDTT incident, The Ol' Rag Blues incident...Makes one wonder why he got on his high horse over MT but, alas What's the 'Too Close To The Ground' story? I think Rossi just got really big headed around this time... More than likely cause management and record label were so far up his arse whilst his money was in their noses. I remember the story of him having a go at Rick backstage after Roadhouse Blues during one of the End of The Road gigs cause he was stood on Rossi's cable making it a difficult task for him to walk over to the front of the stage on Alans side... Went behind Rick's back and done the vocal on TCTTG when Rick wanted to do it apparently. Rick was apparently furious |
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