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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Feb 13, 2017 21:46:31 GMT
I find it hard to believe that Francis didn't like the covers albums. If you look at the track listings on each there are plenty of songs that Quo covered on them that are by bands/artists he is well known to like and admire. He is not likely to have not enjoyed doing that. I think in the context that the recorded product was so AWOL is maybe where the regrets lie here. I think if Francis was offered to choose between DOTH or Perfect Remedy, he would choose the latter. He possibly enjoyed DS and Riffs more than DOTH Back in 1990 in an interview with Annie Nightingale he said it would have been wrong to have made an album full of covers. As it was suggested after they did the AW single. That's probably why RTYD had some covers on it as a kind of compromise album. TW relative failure was the reason why DS happened. Francis hated FILTC and Riffs because they were made to make them after the failure of UTI. Which was a shame as that is a good album and better than TW though the RC did not get behind it. TW main problem is that there is too many songs on it and too many sung by Francis. Rick didn't contribute anything either as he didn't seem to be writing any songs at the time. It would of helped if he had sung more songs on the album even if he was not writing to break up the flow a bit.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2017 18:51:40 GMT
I find it hard to believe that Francis didn't like the covers albums. If you look at the track listings on each there are plenty of songs that Quo covered on them that are by bands/artists he is well known to like and admire. He is not likely to have not enjoyed doing that. I think in the context that the recorded product was so AWOL is maybe where the regrets lie here. I think if Francis was offered to choose between DOTH or Perfect Remedy, he would choose the latter. He possibly enjoyed DS and Riffs more than DOTH Back in 1990 in an interview with Annie Nightingale he said it would have been wrong to have made an album full of covers. As it was suggested after they did the AW single. That's probably why RTYD had some covers on it as a kind of compromise album. TW relative failure was the reason why DS happened. Francis hated FILTC and Riffs because they were made to make them after the failure of UTI. Which was a shame as that is a good album and better than TW though the RC did not get behind it. TW main problem is that there is too many songs on it and too many sung by Francis. Rick didn't contribute anything either as he didn't seem to be writing any songs at the time. It would of helped if he had sung more songs on the album even if he was not writing to break up the flow a bit. I find it hard to think of UTI as a failure, or understand why it would be. Maybe too much time in the wilderness during the bulk of the 90's. But that said, DS was a commercial success coming before it, even if many Quo fans weren't impressed, and then, the other way round, UTI is considered an improvement by many Quo fans on TW.
I happen to actually prefer UTI to Heavy Traffic - though both are good albums. So its swings and roundabout with perceptions.
I can understand Francis not liking FITLC - its widely recognised as one of the most underwhelming albums that Quo have ever produced
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Post by Whoppa Choppa on Feb 15, 2017 5:42:35 GMT
But FITLC had this, admirably short and rather weedy...
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Feb 15, 2017 10:22:41 GMT
Back in 1990 in an interview with Annie Nightingale he said it would have been wrong to have made an album full of covers. As it was suggested after they did the AW single. That's probably why RTYD had some covers on it as a kind of compromise album. TW relative failure was the reason why DS happened. Francis hated FILTC and Riffs because they were made to make them after the failure of UTI. Which was a shame as that is a good album and better than TW though the RC did not get behind it. TW main problem is that there is too many songs on it and too many sung by Francis. Rick didn't contribute anything either as he didn't seem to be writing any songs at the time. It would of helped if he had sung more songs on the album even if he was not writing to break up the flow a bit. I find it hard to think of UTI as a failure, or understand why it would be. Maybe too much time in the wilderness during the bulk of the 90's. But that said, DS was a commercial success coming before it, even if many Quo fans weren't impressed, and then, the other way round, UTI is considered an improvement by many Quo fans on TW.
I happen to actually prefer UTI to Heavy Traffic - though both are good albums. So its swings and roundabout with perceptions.
I can understand Francis not liking FITLC - its widely recognised as one of the most underwhelming albums that Quo have ever produced
The problem with UTI was because there was no real promotion for it. Yes there was the pub tour but that did not really promote the album just the thing of "Quo plays gigs in a pub". DS had tons of promotion and plenty of non Quo fans seemed to get into it and buy it. However the "Hardcore" Quo fans did not like it, so when it came to UTI some Quo fans loved it and it was an improvement on TW. The non Quo fans were not all that interested. Plus in 1999 Radio 2 was still becoming the biggest station and Radio 1 was still in the lead. Wogan loved LWL and played it a lot but that seemed to happen only a few months after release so the momentem was lost. Another problem was that UTI was released when the NET was still quite new and they relied on that a bit too much. If it had not been for the NET I would not have known it was out. So with UTI not making a big chart impact (unfairly). It was inevitable that DW would say "Another Covers album will sell. After all look what the last one shifted compared to your last album".
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Post by gav on Feb 15, 2017 20:12:42 GMT
I find it hard to believe that Francis didn't like the covers albums. If you look at the track listings on each there are plenty of songs that Quo covered on them that are by bands/artists he is well known to like and admire. He is not likely to have not enjoyed doing that. I think in the context that the recorded product was so AWOL is maybe where the regrets lie here. I think if Francis was offered to choose between DOTH or Perfect Remedy, he would choose the latter. He possibly enjoyed DS and Riffs more than DOTH TW main problem is that there is too many songs on it and too many sung by Francis. Rick didn't contribute anything either as he didn't seem to be writing any songs at the time. It would of helped if he had sung more songs on the album even if he was not writing to break up the flow a bit. RTYD was the real Rick's last truly great songwriting era. After his health problems a few years later, he seemed to lose his old spark. A shame he used up his last, and best material on RTYD, though with hindsight he probably realized that he would have galvanized the Quo sound on TW competing with Rossi's strange style of pop.IMO!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2017 15:08:46 GMT
I find it hard to think of UTI as a failure, or understand why it would be. Maybe too much time in the wilderness during the bulk of the 90's. But that said, DS was a commercial success coming before it, even if many Quo fans weren't impressed, and then, the other way round, UTI is considered an improvement by many Quo fans on TW.
I happen to actually prefer UTI to Heavy Traffic - though both are good albums. So its swings and roundabout with perceptions.
I can understand Francis not liking FITLC - its widely recognised as one of the most underwhelming albums that Quo have ever produced
The problem with UTI was because there was no real promotion for it. Yes there was the pub tour but that did not really promote the album just the thing of "Quo plays gigs in a pub". DS had tons of promotion and plenty of non Quo fans seemed to get into it and buy it. However the "Hardcore" Quo fans did not like it, so when it came to UTI some Quo fans loved it and it was an improvement on TW. The non Quo fans were not all that interested. Plus in 1999 Radio 2 was still becoming the biggest station and Radio 1 was still in the lead. Wogan loved LWL and played it a lot but that seemed to happen only a few months after release so the momentem was lost. Another problem was that UTI was released when the NET was still quite new and they relied on that a bit too much. If it had not been for the NET I would not have known it was out. So with UTI not making a big chart impact (unfairly). It was inevitable that DW would say "Another Covers album will sell. After all look what the last one shifted compared to your last album". Good post - that all makes complete sense in its reasoning
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2017 15:12:07 GMT
TW main problem is that there is too many songs on it and too many sung by Francis. Rick didn't contribute anything either as he didn't seem to be writing any songs at the time. It would of helped if he had sung more songs on the album even if he was not writing to break up the flow a bit. RTYD was the real Rick's last truly great songwriting era. After his health problems a few years later, he seemed to lose his old spark. A shame he used up his last, and best material on RTYD, though with hindsight he probably realized that he would have galvanized the Quo sound on TW competing with Rossi's strange style of pop.IMO! You are right about Rick and RTYD
I like his contributions on ISOTFC as well though - Alright and Hold Me being good examples.
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Post by gav on Feb 16, 2017 16:15:49 GMT
RTYD was the real Rick's last truly great songwriting era. After his health problems a few years later, he seemed to lose his old spark. A shame he used up his last, and best material on RTYD, though with hindsight he probably realized that he would have galvanized the Quo sound on TW competing with Rossi's strange style of pop.IMO! You are right about Rick and RTYD
I like his contributions on ISOTFC as well though - Alright and Hold Me being good examples.
I could see what he was trying to do with those 2, but for me they were pale imitations of his heyday style, a bit anaemic if you like. Attempts at big choruses, just a bit flat to my ears. Hold Me? Alright? Don't think he was.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2017 16:19:00 GMT
You are right about Rick and RTYD
I like his contributions on ISOTFC as well though - Alright and Hold Me being good examples.
I could see what he was trying to do with those 2, but for me they were pale imitations of his heyday style, a bit anaemic if you like. Attempts at big choruses, just a bit flat to my ears. Hold Me? Alright? Don't think he was. I totally agree they could never match his (and Quo in general) hey-day, but just my own choices based on the relatively few pickings there were from Rick after RTYD
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Feb 16, 2017 17:06:44 GMT
RTYD was the real Rick's last truly great songwriting era. After his health problems a few years later, he seemed to lose his old spark. A shame he used up his last, and best material on RTYD, though with hindsight he probably realized that he would have galvanized the Quo sound on TW competing with Rossi's strange style of pop.IMO! You are right about Rick and RTYD
I like his contributions on ISOTFC as well though - Alright and Hold Me being good examples.
His stuff on UTI is good. Shine on and LWL are both excellent tracks, as well as the B side's Obstruction day and Driving To Glory. Though Little Me and You is a bit Twee.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2017 17:32:12 GMT
You are right about Rick and RTYD
I like his contributions on ISOTFC as well though - Alright and Hold Me being good examples.
His stuff on UTI is good. Shine on and LWL are both excellent tracks, as well as the B side's Obstruction day and Driving To Glory. Though Little Me and You is a bit Twee. Bugger.
Of course yes, I forgot those on UTI
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Post by gav on Feb 17, 2017 0:28:08 GMT
You are right about Rick and RTYD
I like his contributions on ISOTFC as well though - Alright and Hold Me being good examples.
His stuff on UTI is good. Shine on and LWL are both excellent tracks, as well as the B side's Obstruction day and Driving To Glory. Though Little Me and You is a bit Twee. Little Me and You is an Andy Bown song, so that's ok..
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Post by charles on Feb 17, 2017 15:51:21 GMT
And Little White Lies is very overrated, so don't worry Cats.
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Post by freewilly on Feb 17, 2017 16:32:04 GMT
And Little White Lies is very overrated, so don't worry Cats. Disagree with you there. Think it's a class little tune. Although, it lacks the emotion that ATR, Lonely Man, LOAI, Who Gets The Love etc have. It just doesn't get me "feeling" if you know what I mean.... Still, really like it
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