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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 13:52:27 GMT
I'm really only interested in his guitar playing......
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 15:21:43 GMT
Treating them this way, however precarious his health may be, is inexcusable.
It has to also be said that if this information is any way accurate to how he has behaved towards his family it puts a very different perspective of the band and managements attitude towards him - which up to now had seemed unduly hard-lined.
I agree with you on the first part, but this story can in no way be used to butter up the image of the management. Sorry, but it should not be forgotten that Porter went into a hospital to see a man who had suffered a heart attack and then proceeded to have a full-blown argument with him. Aside from being completely stupid, Porter is not some agony aunt, therefore he should not treat a business partner based on what he thinks about his relationship with his wife. The fact is that Porter approved a press release saying that it was a shame Rick had a heart attack because it coincided with the promotion of Aquostic II (words to that effect). That's what you call ignorant and selfish.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 15:37:35 GMT
Treating them this way, however precarious his health may be, is inexcusable.
It has to also be said that if this information is any way accurate to how he has behaved towards his family it puts a very different perspective of the band and managements attitude towards him - which up to now had seemed unduly hard-lined.
I agree with you on the first part, but this story can in no way be used to butter up the image of the management. Sorry, but it should not be forgotten that Porter went into a hospital to see a man who had suffered a heart attack and then preceded to have a full-blown argument with him. Aside from being completely stupid, Porter is not some agony aunt, therefore he should not treat a business partner based on what he thinks about his relationship with his wife. The fact is that Porter approved a press release saying that it was a shame Rick had a heart attack because it coincided with the promotion of Aquostic II (words to that effect). Believe me, as you know, I have not been a fan in any way of how Management have handled Quo musically and also as connected to the absence of Rick. But this is also part of my expressed disappointment in seeing Rick let himself down in this way.
Whatever views one has of the whole Quo machine, this news (assuming its validity) is not welcome and I was rather dismayed to read it.
I agree it does not somehow change any sentiments towards CQ/management. As I posted the other day, its been a stuff-up generally by them.
On that basis, reading back, I accept my last sentence in the highlighted post is not highly accurate in this respect.
However unfortunately through Rick showing further complete lack of self control and responsibility, it doesn't exactly endear him to support against it.
I'm even further of the mind that the sooner they call it a day (as Status Quo) now the better. The continued negative publicity and "bad news" is not helping impress the SQ name in the eyes of people generally as they prepare to bow out.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 15:59:20 GMT
I'm even further of the mind that the sooner they call it a day (as Status Quo) now the better. The continued negative publicity and "bad news" is not helping impress the SQ name in the eyes of people generally as they prepare to bow out. Won't happen for a while. Rick has been ousted, his non-appearance at the Hyde Park gig was kept hush-hush. Refunds for fans hasn't made a big enough impact in the press, and even then Porter has tried to quell fans' negativity with "good-will" donations to charities. Album sales are so pathetic nowadays that a Top 10 for Aquostic II will be seen as a success, so they'll go on to make Aquostic III.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 16:13:58 GMT
I'm even further of the mind that the sooner they call it a day (as Status Quo) now the better. The continued negative publicity and "bad news" is not helping impress the SQ name in the eyes of people generally as they prepare to bow out. Won't happen for a while. Rick has been ousted, his non-appearance at the Hyde Park gig was kept hush-hush. Refunds for fans hasn't made a big enough impact in the press, and even then Porter has tried to quell fans' negativity with "good-will" donations to charities. Album sales are so pathetic nowadays that a Top 10 for Aquostic II will be seen as a success, so they'll go on to make Aquostic III. Rick may have only just pressed the latest "self destruct" button but it does still make me wonder how much of the instability and strain that has been spilling out of his family relationship over recent months has been common knowledge within the Quo/management camp in terms of concern over potential future repercussions within it (such as have now happened).
Its obvious it has not just been about the aftermath of the latest heart attack physically per se that has been influencing the erratic and fumbled handling of the gigs and outside publicity, very much including the attitude towards sections of the fan base. Again, that is not to justify it, but just to attempt to explain it.
You are very probably right - the show will go on regardless. But SP and the rest of the Quo machine won't have seen Ricks latest actions coming through a crystal ball to this weekend, even though there must have been concerns about him imploding in a similar kind of way, at some stage.
The latest developments must be making them think extra about the near future, at the very least. Even if that thinking continues not to jive with some fan sentiment on here.
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Post by curiousgirl on Oct 2, 2016 16:18:51 GMT
Its a sad to hear this news in light of all that has happened in Quoland recently.
I think any woman takes on a successful rock star must be a bit of a saint. I doubt any of them are easy to be with and especially with the long absences on the road. I also wonder how much the playing the reunion gigs made Rick frustrated and that had a knock on effect on his family life. We can never know. Its simply sad for all involved - Rick, his ex-wife and their children.
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Oct 2, 2016 16:24:01 GMT
Its a sad to hear this news in light of all that has happened in Quoland recently. I think any woman takes on a successful rock star must be a bit of a saint. I doubt any of them are easy to be with and especially with the long absences on the road. I also wonder how much the playing the reunion gigs made Rick frustrated and that had a knock on effect on his family life. We can never know. Its simply sad for all involved - Rick, his ex-wife and their children. Rick likes the bottle and the ciggys too much to give it up. Also I have been told via FB that he still has not given up the other stuff totally. Now don't know if that is true though Francis said in the past 2 years Rick changed dramatically. Maybe the other 2 Heart Attacks did more damage than we realise. He has an addictive nature and sadly I am seeing simillarities between Rick and the late Phil Lynott.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 16:29:31 GMT
Its not just Rick by any means. Look no further than Sharon and Ozzy. She first dealt with him quite a few years back by matching him in terms of over partying and taking excesses. Then she decided to save both of them by cleaning up her act and taking responsibility for both of them.
A long period them ensued where this surrogate Mum/wife relationship was remarkably cosseted - and the Osbournes as a family were even able to capitalise on their off-beam and dysfunctional family life. But finally the inevitable arrived - and the wheels fell off as per the news over recent times.
Not always the case, but often enough - men in rock by nature tend to be small boys who don't grow up. So yes, being a saint as married or attached to one of them is very much "essential" on the CV.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 16:45:47 GMT
Its a sad to hear this news in light of all that has happened in Quoland recently. I think any woman takes on a successful rock star must be a bit of a saint. I doubt any of them are easy to be with and especially with the long absences on the road. I also wonder how much the playing the reunion gigs made Rick frustrated and that had a knock on effect on his family life. We can never know. Its simply sad for all involved - Rick, his ex-wife and their children. He has an addictive nature and sadly I am seeing simillarities between Rick and the late Phil Lynott. There are one or two songs on the "Black Rose" album released about 1979 that are almost definitely auto-biographical in nature as written by the legend that was Phil Lynott. A very charismatic guy, despite his vices, and very much missed in terms of a talented career cut short.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 17:15:35 GMT
*sighs*
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 17:20:54 GMT
Won't happen for a while. Rick has been ousted, his non-appearance at the Hyde Park gig was kept hush-hush. Refunds for fans hasn't made a big enough impact in the press, and even then Porter has tried to quell fans' negativity with "good-will" donations to charities. Album sales are so pathetic nowadays that a Top 10 for Aquostic II will be seen as a success, so they'll go on to make Aquostic III. Rick may have only just pressed the latest "self destruct" button but it does still make me wonder how much of the instability and strain that has been spilling out of his family relationship over recent months has been common knowledge within the Quo/management camp in terms of concern over potential future repercussions within it (such as have now happened).
Its obvious it has not just been about the aftermath of the latest heart attack physically per se that has been influencing the erratic and fumbled handling of the gigs and outside publicity, very much including the attitude towards sections of the fan base. Again, that is not to justify it, but just to attempt to explain it.
You are very probably right - the show will go on regardless. But SP and the rest of the Quo machine won't have seen Ricks latest actions coming through a crystal ball to this weekend, even though there must have been concerns about him imploding in a similar kind of way, at some stage.
The latest developments must be making them think extra about the near future, at the very least. Even if that thinking continues not to jive with some fan sentiment on here.
Heart attack aside, Rick's marital problems are of no business to Porter (or any member of the Quo camp) unless it spills out into the press. Until now, it hasn't. I don't think relationships are the reason for Porter deciding to conceal the fact that Rick wasn't attending Hyde Park or Union Chapel, or failing to announce officially to ALL fans that refunds were being made available. It's just that Porter wants Quo to be seen as some divine entity where everyone is happy and nothing goes wrong. He's persisted to promote the band as a happy-clappy comedy act over the years, taking over from David Walker in every respect. The personal, derogatory remarks made by Porter towards one fan in particular was shameful and should have been reported to the press to make him suffer - but as I said, charity donations seem to have quelled the individual's enthusiasm. What goes on on here is of no concern to Porter and Quo unless it reaches defamation stage. We have easily been disregarded by them, from Ricky's MB originally being taken off the list of links on the official Quo site (while bizarrely continuing to leave Cups N Cafes on) to the negative reaction towards Aquostic. They still went on to do Aquostic II, and there's enough of a fanbase to make that worthwhile too. If insulting fans won't stop them, nothing will.
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Post by derryquo on Oct 2, 2016 17:27:33 GMT
Not good for Rick, I reckon he is very vulnerable. Add to that two 8 year olds, and potentially out of work, or reduced income at best.
Good luck to all involved
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 17:53:12 GMT
The big problem is he chose to do this when he didn't have to. It had seemed that finally he had settled and had the stable family life that had evaded him - I for one was really pleased about this. In terms of well wishing for him of late it was some warm encouragement that he had family around him to look after him. It would seem incredible to throw that away and despite the past history I would never have seen this coming.
It might not be any business of any of us, but it is still reasonable enough to be very sad and disappointed at such folly - based on those well wishes.
One the one hand he was big enough to admit that his lifestyle created the health problems (and no-one is perfect after all). That deserved a lot of credit and he certainly never let anyone down in this respect as said before. But now on the other he has immediately gone and done another screamer to add to that same list. At a time when it appears he can least afford to.
One fears, but can only hope he is not back full-time on the sauce.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 18:41:53 GMT
Hi All, Just when you thought he was on the road to recovery and it couldn't get any worse for the chap such sad news in deed....
Geoff.
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Post by gav on Oct 2, 2016 18:54:38 GMT
"Now don't you feel sorry, oh no, for me now There's no need to worry about a clown...."
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