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Post by madturk on Sept 18, 2016 10:52:48 GMT
I agree with much of the sentiment regarding post FF Quo, and current lineup issues.
Without Rossi though, we wouldn't have had the FF. Now he has become the 'problem' in the view of many fans.
A lot of the blame for covers albums, soft poppy songs, terrible setlists, aquostic, etc etc etc is laid at his door.
I wonder if he realises his mistakes.
Maybe me doesn't care. It's about the money.
If I was him I would be embarrassed to go out on the road as Status Quo.
Look at the greatness of the reunion tours in '13/'14....
Now this 😡
I don't hate him personally of course but the man who is at the core of it all, who started it all off is the man who has destroyed it.
For me, lineup wise the post '86 Quo was a valid Quo.
They had 3 out of the 5 guys who played on the RAOTW single / and who played at the Apollo.
I mention the significance of RAOTW because of the doors it opened for Quo and the recognition by the general public.
Good luck to those who are seeking refunds. But the general public Quo fans will probably say," Rick has retired but at least all the other ones are there..."
Not realising all the others are non-original members with respect to FF.
Oh well...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2016 11:42:35 GMT
I always thought that Francis country rock tinged songs along with his 'unusual' rock singing voice provided a perfect fronting foil to the much harder grittier edges that Rick, Alan and John contributed and cemented in alongside him. The sum of all the parts. The FF. That was the powerful addictive mix of raw energy, power and yet sublime melody that made me a Quo fan in the first place.
Rossi written songs like the excellent Claudie and Dirty Water and others fitted superbly in my opinion amongst the likes of 4500X and ROLD. Classic light and shade. There is also no doubting the influence and contributions of Bob Young here. Bob's contribution towards inspired classic Parfitt/Young songs of the FF era such as Mystery Song and Nightride cannot be underestimated here either.
I think that the Rossi/Frost combination took away the typical Rossi/Young country/blues/rock feel that the rest of the FF helped 'Quo up' and turned it much more into a watered down pop/country feel. It is this that many longer standing fans have objected to. I've still liked some Rossi/Frost songs of course, but for me the ultimate partnership for Francis to fit the best of Quo has always been with Bob.
I think that Slow Train was arguably the best harder edged blues/country rock song that the Rossi/Young stable brought to the FF table to be 'Quo'd up'. It also has folk/jig like elements that songs like Hold You Back have drawn on most fully. In terms of Francis, this has been some of the brilliance he has provided. But Mr Young's role in helping make that happen should not be forgotten.
One of the consequences of the toxic fall-out in the early 80's that led to the EOTR was the failure and fall-out of the Rossi/Young partnership. This gets missed at times with the focus on the loss of Alan and John. And by dint of the loss of Bob, the Parfitt/Young partnership was gone as well. Taking John also out of the equation from 81, there was never another 'Coming and Going' quality song after Proposin/NTL. A case of much more going than coming unfortunately..
Winding that theme forward, its significant that Francis very recently admitted that Bob had some support at least for the FF being the way forward after the reunions. I do think within the context of the OP this says an awful lot about where we are now...and illustrates how Francis has lost the plot. |
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Sept 18, 2016 12:55:29 GMT
It took me a long time to understand, or begin to understand why he moved in the direction he did. The gradual breakdown of personal relationships in the band under general life-stress (OK and drugs, but that was only one thing) must have had a lot to do with it. He's always remained thin skinned to a point, but he must have overcome the embarrassment thing in the first days of Boogie Quo - indeed the whole thing was born of rebelling, so the sort of treatment they got later for "gonig soft" was just the same sort of stuff they had from the press and the trendies in the 70s, from another angle.
Bob said along the way that someone in the management sidelined him by leading F to believe Bob was a problem. And Francis himself said later that "someone just wanted to help" and what they "helped" with was Francis extricating himself from partnership with Alan. Lor knows what would have happened otherwise, but there was manipulation going on, and it was not just Francis. I think he wanted out with Alan, but it's not clear to me that he wanted out with Bob.
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Post by clonesydney on Sept 18, 2016 18:57:54 GMT
When Rossi steps onto the stage at Dublin next month and looks out over a half full (if he's lucky ) arena, I am sure even he will cast his mind back reflectively to April 2014.
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Post by dennis on Sept 18, 2016 20:40:22 GMT
Rick & Alan only have themselves to blame for Francis gaining absolute control. When John was kicked out they should both have been man enough to say: "It ain't Quo without John!". Once John was gone it was an easy & logical step to remove Alan. Rick has now become superfluous to the Francis Rossi Status Quo Show.
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Post by derryquo on Sept 18, 2016 21:49:47 GMT
When Rossi steps onto the stage at Dublin next month and looks out over a half full (if he's lucky ) arena, I am sure even he will cast his mind back reflectively to April 2014. I wish he would but he won't, cause his arrogance won't let him. hes more likely to think, didn't think I would have got rid of Rick so quickly |
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