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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Sept 13, 2016 10:29:50 GMT
Deep down I reckon it hurts him that the reunion was so well received by the fans and press alike because he knows that's what people really wanted all along. It's just a reaction to that ,the things he says now ,it's his way of dealing with it. He was genuinely taken by surprise the emotions from the fans and just can't handle the fact that the last 30 years have been a lie Cheers I think that's about as close as we can get. But I am sure the fact he's been vilified ... for years now ... for not providing what some older fans wanted has just hardened his attitude. He's always been like that, and insults make an impression. I can't say I blame him. If that had not happened, I think that the positive emotions from the fans during FF could have had a much better effect on him. But he has become permanently wary and untrusting.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 10:43:22 GMT
The second reunion tour whilst musically better, was not as successful as the first for several reasons: Firstly, the first tour was billed as a 'one time only event', hence it sold very quickly, couple that to the hardcore fans 30 years of anticipation. The second tour coming so quickly after the 'one time only event' was never going to be as successful. Secondly, First tour saw many fans attending multiple shows (again due to this 'one time only event'), this didn't happen as much with the second tour for obvious reasons. I know several people who went 4 or 5 times to tour 1 but only attended 1 gig on tour 2. Tour 1 was 99.99% sold out, tour 2 was not - granted SOME venues were sold out but some were not. The knock on effect to merchandise and live recordings will be proportionate to the attendance for the same resons, in other words they will have sold more T Shirts, Programmes & CD's on Tour 1 than on Tour 2. Tour 2 will have been more expensive to put on - extra venues and the European bit. So, whilst MUSICALLY Tour 2 was considerably better, when it all nets down on the profit & loss account there will have been less income generated, hence the first tour was more successful. I disagree that the second tour was less successful. No figures to back it up; that's just my gut feeling based on little more than the fact that there were more dates and they did really well at Dublin. The first tour was less than 99.99% sold out, if for no other reason than the Wembley gig wasn't particularly well-attended. And let's not forget that both tours could have been far more successful if there hadn't been the apparent effort to under-promote them. I believe that there are probably lapsed FF fans who are still unaware that the reunion gigs happened. Ah, forgot about Wembley! Taking Wembley out, the first tour was 99.99% sold out. Christ only knows why they did Wembley after the run at Hammersmith.
The tours were as successful as it was possible for them to be.
Tour 1 couldn't have been more successful (with the exception of W) other than by adding more dates in other towns though that may well have diluted the numbers travelling to the sold out dates.
Tour 2 simply had a limited market. Fans didn't do multiple dates in the same way as they did on Tour 1.
Current Status Quo play to a mass market audience all year round, the FF is pretty much the domain of the hardcore long term fans and there simply isn't as many of those around these days, it's not like it was back in the 70's when they had a massive following. The term or name 'FF' means nothing to the vast majority of Current Quos bums on seats audience.
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Post by paradiseflats on Sept 13, 2016 10:56:53 GMT
I disagree that the second tour was less successful. No figures to back it up; that's just my gut feeling based on little more than the fact that there were more dates and they did really well at Dublin. The first tour was less than 99.99% sold out, if for no other reason than the Wembley gig wasn't particularly well-attended. And let's not forget that both tours could have been far more successful if there hadn't been the apparent effort to under-promote them. I believe that there are probably lapsed FF fans who are still unaware that the reunion gigs happened. Ah, forgot about Wembley! Taking Wembley out, the first tour was 99.99% sold out. Christ only knows why they did Wembley after the run at Hammersmith.
The tours were as successful as it was possible for them to be.
Tour 1 couldn't have been more successful (with the exception of W) other than by adding more dates in other towns though that may well have diluted the numbers travelling to the sold out dates.
Tour 2 simply had a limited market. Fans didn't do multiple dates in the same way as they did on Tour 1.
Current Status Quo play to a mass market audience all year round, the FF is pretty much the domain of the hardcore long term fans and there simply isn't as many of those around these days, it's not like it was back in the 70's when they had a massive following. The term or name 'FF' means nothing to the vast majority of Current Quos bums on seats audience.
So what was the sell rate in UK? As I have said the only gig that wasn't close to a sell out was the third Hammersmith show ? An extra date to the run in Tour1. I was at Wolverhampton, Manchester and two Hammersmith shows they were all close to being sold out or sold out. So there was only one soft date in the UK. So if they made money in Europe. Surely as a whole it made very similar money to the first tour. If they had played a greatest hits tour of their hits. They could have sold many more tickets.
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Post by Victor on Sept 13, 2016 11:49:46 GMT
Deep down I reckon it hurts him that the reunion was so well received by the fans and press alike because he knows that's what people really wanted all along. It's just a reaction to that ,the things he says now ,it's his way of dealing with it. He was genuinely taken by surprise the emotions from the fans and just can't handle the fact that the last 30 years have been a lie Cheers I think that's about as close as we can get. But I am sure the fact he's been vilified ... for years now ... for not providing what some older fans wanted has just hardened his attitude. He's always been like that, and insults make an impression. I can't say I blame him. If that had not happened, I think that the positive emotions from the fans during FF could have had a much better effect on him. But he has become permanently wary and untrusting. You may be right about that... but then he still judges every FF fan to be someone that vilified him and that's ridiculous, sorry. There are more then enough ff fans that never vilified him. Critisism doesn't mean vilifying someone unless you throw around a bunch of insults constantly. Lots off FF fans were sad to see the direction he took, yes, but never vilified him. And then at the reunion he sees how happy they are to see him in his old glory and he shovels every ff fan under the ground himself with his own insults. Not exactly fair either. I am an FF fan but liked enough stuff he did afterwards as well and I am not the only one.
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