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Post by derryquo on Sept 11, 2016 16:53:26 GMT
Planned or otherwise it has on the face of it all worked out well for Rossi. Rick gets sick August 2014 they do a ''one off'' gig without Rick.(And fans accepted this which was the beginning of the end of Rick) Rick get sick on the bus in 2015-Rossi rolls over and goes back to sleep. Rick gets sick again, 3 strikes and your out rule kicks in, Rossi finally has got rid of his 3 Quo band ''mates'', he's all alone and that's a fact. It's hard to know now, why Rossi ever agreed to the reunion, was he sucked in or bullied into it and before he knew where he was he was onstage in Hammersmith realising how important the Status Quo he spent 30yrs trying to kill off meant to the Quo army. That's when Rossi and Porter lost the plot completely. instead of realising they had something special going on, which could have been kept for special festivals/tours to run alongside CQ, but as we all know that didn't happen. Instead they straight away poured cold water over the whole thing,and everyone,Alan,John,Bob,Rick, the Fans were all wrong everyone bar Francis Rossi. If only they had a proper manager in 86 and 2014,we might still have a proper band to follow now. I have said it before and I will say it again. Rossi and Rick lost a case in court to Alan and John. The reunion was the payoff. Sadly I think it was the out of court settlement...
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Post by paradiseflats on Sept 11, 2016 16:55:12 GMT
I have said it before and I will say it again. Rossi and Rick lost a case in court to Alan and John. The reunion was the payoff. Sadly I think it was the out of court settlement... Yep. A reunion to stop the case. As Rossi n Rick were gonna lose.
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Post by derryquo on Sept 11, 2016 16:58:04 GMT
Sadly I think it was the out of court settlement... Yep. A reunion to stop the case. As Rossi n Rick were gonna lose. I think in some interview Rossi hints at it.....it's why porter gave him the phone and told him to sort it out with alan
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Post by curiousgirl on Sept 11, 2016 17:13:22 GMT
Not quite correct. For years, Alan had been trying to sue the band for £30m and he was using a no win, no fee lawyer. So it wasn't costing him anything. This lawyer discovered that John was also suing the band for a smaller sum and his case was winnable. So in court, John won his case. Alan lost. But because both cases had become a joint case, Alan was now lumbered with a large bill for the lawyers even though he had won nothing. ie: the lawyers had stitched Alan up.
When Quo were on tour in Oz, (I'm not clear how close this was to the result of the court case) Simon P was on the phone to Alan and asked Francis if he wanted to speak to him. Francis wasn't that keen but took the call anyway. The first thing he heard Alan say was, I'm sorry..." and after that, all the anger he felt towards Alan melted. And the reunion tours were to help Alan pay for his legal costs.
(this is all in the recent radio interview, posted by americanquo in the discussion section. I heard it this week which is why the details are fresh in my mind.)
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Post by paradiseflats on Sept 11, 2016 17:21:59 GMT
Not quite correct. For years, Alan had been trying to sue the band for £30m and he was using a no win, no fee lawyer. So it wasn't costing him anything. This lawyer discovered that John was also suing the band for a smaller sum and his case was winnable. So in court, John won his case. Alan lost. But because both cases had become a joint case, Alan was now lumbered with a large bill for the lawyers even though he had won nothing. ie: the lawyers had stitched Alan up. When Quo were on tour in Oz, (I'm not clear how close this was to the result of the court case) Simon P was on the phone to Alan and asked Francis if he wanted to speak to him. Francis wasn't that keen but took the call anyway. The first thing he heard Alan say was, I'm sorry..." and after that, all the anger he felt towards Alan melted. And the reunion tours were to help Alan pay for his legal costs. (this is all in the recent radio interview, posted by americanquo in the discussion section. I heard it this week which is why the details are fresh in my mind.) Let's leave it at. Rossi's version. If that version is correct. Why had Quo's management being talking to Alan? Before taking Francis and Alan spoke. They could surely just have waived costs.
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Post by dennis on Sept 11, 2016 21:02:49 GMT
How well planned the whole journey has been, I really don't know, but they set off on a journey to the Francis Rossi Status Quo Show at the point where Alan based himself in Australia, imo. The latest developments with Rick only really confirm that's what has been presented as Status Quo since '86 - it's Rossi's band. The best hey-day may well be long gone, but I think to suggest that Quo has been Francis band since 86 is going a little bit too far. Also I don't think that is fair to Rick either, as whilst its true that Francis has dominated the song writing in that time and Rick's writing has been a little inconsistent to say the least, the band could never have lasted anywhere near another 30 yrs without him.
Francis could do well by admitting this much more.
Whilst albums like Thirsty Work have appeared close to seeming like Francis solo albums - its only, sadly, since Ricks latest especially serious heart problems that I think the band can be called Francis band in any really true sense of the word. The current Aquostic gigs are bringing that realisation home in spades.
Its hard to be critical of Rick at a time like this - but perhaps he should have been more pro-active in terms of helping to speed up the possibilities of FF reunion (to happen even ten years earlier than it did) by taking a tougher stance with Francis to push him that way. However, he has been between a rock and a hard place in that respect because by making more waves he risked ended up losing any chance of playing rock/pop music at all through destabilising CQ too much.
There is also no doubt that the increasing management alliance with Francis hasn't helped in that respect either.
Rick was seriously interested in continuing with Alan, apparently, but the record company said "no Rossi, no Quo" so he took the easy option. From that moment on it was The Francis Rossi [& Rick Parfitt] Status Quo Show, now it's just The Francis Rossi Status Quo Show. Perhaps he should be Francis Bossi! Rick rather highlights his status within Quo in the interviews after Dublin when he's saying "What about me?" & the response was clearly: "What about you?"
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Post by curiousgirl on Sept 11, 2016 21:08:40 GMT
paradiseflats. Agree that this was Rossi's version. But then I remembered that John told the same story, I think on his Radio Oxford show, not that long ago. The fees were for Alan's lawyers who were fighting his case. How would they waive those? And as the manager is so keen on making money from/for Quo, surely he would be for this rather than against it?
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