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Post by freewilly on Sept 10, 2016 10:34:45 GMT
I was quite surprised by the comments made in the new FTMO. Not only by Rhino but by Andrew as well. Noone seems to miss Rick, everything seems to be fine or even better without him. That left me quite speechless, angry and somehow sad. Not one precise answer to the question regarding their opinion on 'No Rick, No Quo'- they all just beat around the bush and repeat how great it is with Freddie and Richie and so so on. Still am quite disgusted by the statements made by all 4 of them! What's Andrew said? If I were Rick, I'd stay well clear of them
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Post by Whoppa Choppa on Sept 10, 2016 10:38:40 GMT
Hmm... some scans from the publication? I mean.. boards have been wounded up before..... A source would be very welcome. And don't take this the wrong way, Nino et all!!
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Post by curiousgirl on Sept 10, 2016 10:41:28 GMT
I was quite surprised by the comments made in the new FTMO. Not only by Rhino but by Andrew as well. Noone seems to miss Rick, everything seems to be fine or even better without him. That left me quite speechless, angry and somehow sad. Not one precise answer to the question regarding their opinion on 'No Rick, No Quo'- they all just beat around the bush and repeat how great it is with Freddie and Richie and so so on. Still am quite disgusted by the statements made by all 4 of them! I'm not defending them at all. And like you, I find this upsetting. But could it be that IF Rick was the only one unhappy with CQ and IF he and Francis were not getting on, then those remaining all feel relieved that the miserable person is absent. And they can enjoy themselves again. It is tiring being with someone who is very unhappy and most people have a tolerance threshold which may have been reached. Having said that, I don't like this any more than you do.
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Post by paradiseflats on Sept 10, 2016 10:53:01 GMT
I was quite surprised by the comments made in the new FTMO. Not only by Rhino but by Andrew as well. Noone seems to miss Rick, everything seems to be fine or even better without him. That left me quite speechless, angry and somehow sad. Not one precise answer to the question regarding their opinion on 'No Rick, No Quo'- they all just beat around the bush and repeat how great it is with Freddie and Richie and so so on. Still am quite disgusted by the statements made by all 4 of them! I'm not defending them at all. And like you, I find this upsetting. But could it be that IF Rick was the only one unhappy with CQ and IF he and Francis were not getting on, then those remaining all feel relieved that the miserable person is absent. And they can enjoy themselves again. It is tiring being with someone who is very unhappy and most people have a tolerance threshold which may have been reached. Having said that, I don't like this any more than you do. I just think they come across as classless and are showing a lack of respect. I can understand what you are saying. The real test will come if Rick says he is ready to return and they say for medical/insurance reasons he can't return. That's a big if. I hope Rick is going to be healthy. The rest is less important.
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Post by nino on Sept 10, 2016 10:55:35 GMT
I will type out the sentences I meant later on when I'm home!
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Post by paradiseflats on Sept 10, 2016 11:04:43 GMT
Perhaps we can agree that (at least) he is a massively unequal band member. He says himself it's "not his band". Granted, he's up the pecking order quite a bit now. But Rick showed an enthusiasm for the reunion gigs that far surpassed any enthusiasm I've ever seen him show towards Quo since I've been watching them in 86. While yes Rhino knows his place within the bands history, it's clear now that Rick massively prefers playing with Alan compared to playing with him. I do reckon that must hurt. OK Rick didn't expressly say he'd dump Rhino and totally go 100% FF....but I think he would have done in a flash if Francis was of like mind. I think the reunions must have raised tensions within the band. Agree with you that gigs without Rick should never have happened. In terms of pecking order. I guess it hasn't changed since day one. More significant than the drummer. Which in the History of the band is about right. Yes it's unequal but that's what happens when you join an established band. Yes I remember it's not my band quote. Not how he's fewer it for quite a while. He used to be criterial of the static set list. But in terms of quotes. I still define him by saying playing 4500 times was like watching paint dry. You would have thought Francis's decision to end them as an arena band and one that will barely break even would cause more tension. As Rhino says it's a business afterall.
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Post by 111 on Sept 11, 2016 20:30:54 GMT
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Post by nino on Sept 12, 2016 15:20:21 GMT
Sorry for the long wait, but the weekend was busy af, and now I'm off to see The Who. Tommorrow, I promise!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2016 19:44:21 GMT
Hi All, Isn't this all a he says this and he says that kind argument ? Along with the reporter who actually interviewed them using a little bit of journalistic licence to make his/her article more appealing to read while at the same time possibly to cause controversy ?
I am sure the journalist knew exactly what buttons to push that will get us fans both new and old either at each others throats, or just simply because he has his own opinion on what the band members were saying about whatever. In any case like has already been said her being critical of a fellow band member will definitely raise tensions within the band and lead to consequences at the end of the day.
We as the fan can only speculate the true meaning behind what was written and if it was the whole truth ? Personally I would pick the bits that obviously stick out from the recent history (i.e. the reunion tours and all the alleged statements from whoever)
If the rest of a band are not happy with a certain member (as has been suggested) then those who are that unhappy should at least tell whoever face to face simple, to be interviewed and then spout whatever is very disloyal especially when that member is recovering from whatever illness. I imagine reading all this or having someone ask you about the alleged statements in whatever articles would be very embarrassing to say the least, let alone underhand by those who you are meant to trust being fellow band members.
Is it any surprise then when we fans discuss this type of thread that things get a little heated with insults flying about (Not needed), having said that I am sure it's the pure emotion pouring out from the years invested in following your favourite band since whenever especially when they are a shadow of their former days of a great band.
Some fans like myself have followed since school and these kind of comments that are printed in articles just wind up everyone which just brings other arguments that have been buried to the top again. People just become sick of all the bollocks that comes from the band that allegedly are a cohesive product that has survived the rigours that tend to split bands up permanently we are lucky we have a band that has two original members but are nothing like the original line up and that is what divides the fans IMHO.
Articles like this do nobody any good except the person writing it up he/she gets paid no matter what, the rest of us are left with more questions than answers which like I said just bring back older arguments not connected with what has been written. Bottom line is if the article is correct then the band members who said what they have without giving whoever a chance to respond in kind to balance it out should be ashamed of themselves, having said that the author should have at least offered the other band member a chance to reply first and only print the article with all of the bands consent which I assume this was not the case. ?
The whole thing is just a sad state of affairs of a once great band that I grew up with now having fast become the laughing stock among their fans, from being accepted as a band that has evolved through various incarnations (Not for the better IMPO) to a band that put money before their music especially their fans, which I am assuming was never their intentions when originally forming just being happy to make a living and play for their fans..
Geoff.
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Post by paradiseflats on Sept 12, 2016 19:49:34 GMT
Hi All, Isn't this all a he says this and he says that kind argument ? Along with the reporter who actually interviewed them using a little bit of journalistic licence to make his/her article more appealing to read while at the same time possibly to cause controversy ?
I am sure the journalist knew exactly what buttons to push that will get us fans both new and old either at each others throats, or just simply because he has his own opinion on what the band members were saying about whatever. In any case like has already been said her being critical of a fellow band member will definitely raise tensions within the band and lead to consequences at the end of the day.
We as the fan can only speculate the true meaning behind what was written and if it was the whole truth ? Personally I would pick the bits that obviously stick out from the recent history (i.e. the reunion tours and all the alleged statements from whoever)
If the rest of a band are not happy with a certain member (as has been suggested) then those who are that unhappy should at least tell whoever face to face simple, to be interviewed and then spout whatever is very disloyal especially when that member is recovering from whatever illness. I imagine reading all this or having someone ask you about the alleged statements in whatever articles would be very embarrassing to say the least, let alone underhand by those who you are meant to trust being fellow band members.
Is it any surprise then when we fans discuss this type of thread that things get a little heated with insults flying about (Not needed), having said that I am sure it's the pure emotion pouring out from the years invested in following your favourite band since whenever especially when they are a shadow of their former days of a great band.
Some fans like myself have followed since school and these kind of comments that are printed in articles just wind up everyone which just brings other arguments that have been buried to the top again. People just become sick of all the bollocks that comes from the band that allegedly are a cohesive product that has survived the rigours that tend to split bands up permanently we are lucky we have a band that has two original members but are nothing like the original line up and that is what divides the fans IMHO.
Articles like this do nobody any good except the person writing it up he/she gets paid no matter what, the rest of us are left with more questions than answers which like I said just bring back older arguments not connected with what has been written. Bottom line is if the article is correct then the band members who said what they have without giving whoever a chance to respond in kind to balance it out should be ashamed of themselves, having said that the author should have at least offered the other band member a chance to reply first and only print the article with all of the bands consent which I assume this was not the case. ?
The whole thing is just a sad state of affairs of a once great band that I grew up with now having fast become the laughing stock among their fans, from being accepted as a band that has evolved through various incarnations (Not for the better IMPO) to a band that put money before their music especially their fans, which I am assuming was never their intentions when originally forming just being happy to make a living and play for their fans..
Geoff.
The thing is its from FTMO. So to me its how the band want the fans to see them.
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Post by Victor on Sept 12, 2016 19:49:48 GMT
Excellent post, Geoff and very very true !
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Post by jason on Sept 13, 2016 16:22:41 GMT
Hi All, Isn't this all a he says this and he says that kind argument ? Along with the reporter who actually interviewed them using a little bit of journalistic licence to make his/her article more appealing to read while at the same time possibly to cause controversy ?
I am sure the journalist knew exactly what buttons to push that will get us fans both new and old either at each others throats, or just simply because he has his own opinion on what the band members were saying about whatever. In any case like has already been said her being critical of a fellow band member will definitely raise tensions within the band and lead to consequences at the end of the day.
We as the fan can only speculate the true meaning behind what was written and if it was the whole truth ? Personally I would pick the bits that obviously stick out from the recent history (i.e. the reunion tours and all the alleged statements from whoever)
If the rest of a band are not happy with a certain member (as has been suggested) then those who are that unhappy should at least tell whoever face to face simple, to be interviewed and then spout whatever is very disloyal especially when that member is recovering from whatever illness. I imagine reading all this or having someone ask you about the alleged statements in whatever articles would be very embarrassing to say the least, let alone underhand by those who you are meant to trust being fellow band members.
Is it any surprise then when we fans discuss this type of thread that things get a little heated with insults flying about (Not needed), having said that I am sure it's the pure emotion pouring out from the years invested in following your favourite band since whenever especially when they are a shadow of their former days of a great band.
Some fans like myself have followed since school and these kind of comments that are printed in articles just wind up everyone which just brings other arguments that have been buried to the top again. People just become sick of all the bollocks that comes from the band that allegedly are a cohesive product that has survived the rigours that tend to split bands up permanently we are lucky we have a band that has two original members but are nothing like the original line up and that is what divides the fans IMHO.
Articles like this do nobody any good except the person writing it up he/she gets paid no matter what, the rest of us are left with more questions than answers which like I said just bring back older arguments not connected with what has been written. Bottom line is if the article is correct then the band members who said what they have without giving whoever a chance to respond in kind to balance it out should be ashamed of themselves, having said that the author should have at least offered the other band member a chance to reply first and only print the article with all of the bands consent which I assume this was not the case. ?
The whole thing is just a sad state of affairs of a once great band that I grew up with now having fast become the laughing stock among their fans, from being accepted as a band that has evolved through various incarnations (Not for the better IMPO) to a band that put money before their music especially their fans, which I am assuming was never their intentions when originally forming just being happy to make a living and play for their fans..
Geoff.
The thing is its from FTMO. So to me its how the band want the fans to see them. We would all ideally like to hear from all parties involved. Sometimes such things just aren't possible, for reasons beyond our control. What I can say for sure is that nobody's used any journalistic licence to push people's buttons. Interview time is often very limited and the only "agenda" is to report what the band members said.
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Post by freewilly on Sept 13, 2016 16:26:55 GMT
The thing is its from FTMO. So to me its how the band want the fans to see them. We would all ideally like to hear from all parties involved. Sometimes such things just aren't possible, for reasons beyond our control. What I can say for sure is that nobody's used any journalistic licence to push people's buttons. Interview time is often very limited and the only "agenda" is to report what the band members said. The only thing I'll say is, and this is not aimed at the people who run the fanclub at all.... For a man, who loves to speak and give interviews and be in the spotlight, it is very strange that Rick is this quiet and that he wasn't interviewed for the fanclub mag...
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Post by paradiseflats on Sept 13, 2016 16:35:00 GMT
The thing is its from FTMO. So to me its how the band want the fans to see them. We would all ideally like to hear from all parties involved. Sometimes such things just aren't possible, for reasons beyond our control. What I can say for sure is that nobody's used any journalistic licence to push people's buttons. Interview time is often very limited and the only "agenda" is to report what the band members said. Thank you for your comment. I was not being critical of you or anyone else in FTMO. You are approaching this from a real fans point of view and have done a great job with this and other features. My point is, the band know the audience and how its reported so I think it is fair to say you can trust what is in the mag is what they wanted to say. How people judge and interpret what they say is up to them and not a reflection of you.
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Post by jason on Sept 14, 2016 0:34:02 GMT
Yep. Thanks guys for your recognition that FTMO, as it says on the cover, is written by the fans for the fans. As the fan base is a broad church we don't have an agenda, as our personal views won't match everybody else's. Personally speaking I always aim to "report" rather than "review" - just for the record I think I've only sneaked in a personal opinion twice, once when I said the first vinyl box set should have included "Never Too Late", and once when I suggested that if Universal were willing to go to lots of effort to reproduce from first principles an item that most of us already own (the "Rollin' Home" shaped picture disc), why not produce a brand new item that would be more desirable? Please just take it as read that we'll always try to speak to everyone but if we can't then we can't, we're honestly not trying to manufacture any kind of narrative, and as fellow fans your concerns are also our concerns. The band have been speaking to the media for half a century and FTMO is no exception, we'll only be told what they want to tell us. Cheers
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