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Post by roadhouse on Mar 21, 2024 14:25:16 GMT
I'm a bit confused by Rhino's recent comment about it's unlikely Quo will record another studio album as there is no money in it anymore. But then he's just released his own album, which contradicts himself.
I think the way streaming has taken over the way we buy music is largely why there is no money to be made by releasing new music, but then you could argue why does any artist bother to make new music if there's no money in it.
Maybe it's time the music industry took a look at the state it's in, or perhaps it's high time artists protest or speak up about it. Surely it can't continue in this state. It doesn't exactly inspire anyone to become an artist in the first place.
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Post by mortified on Mar 21, 2024 15:28:14 GMT
Rhino is no different to Francis in this respect. He also released a solo album with Hannah Rickard but always goes on about there being no financial incentive.
So we have to assume that, (a) both did it for the sheer pleasure of making the music and (b) the outlay is much less than it would be if Quo were to get together to record a new album. I don't know the ins and outs of what it takes to do it.
So, contradictory as it seems, I can only presume that the recording of solo material compared to a Quo album is less expensive. Why, I have no idea. But it's the only thing I can think of. And Rhino has said he isn't making another one.
For me, the music industry isn't going to change back to what it used to be where artists were signed up and at least had a shot at it with some financial backing. The music companies (and streaming companies) are making far too much money to want to go back to the 'old ways'. Artistic freedom or innovation doesn't come into it.
As you say, streaming has changed all that, although downloading started the ball rolling. The biggest problem seems to concern royalties where an artist gets much less for 'airplay' or streams than they used to for sales. Hence, touring is the area where money might actually be made. The very opposite of the 70's and 80's, for example.
Most people of a certain age who love their music will clamour for the days of hearing new music almost every day (and also a greater variety of it than there seems to be now) and being able to go out and buy it. But streaming, as in the case of what downloading became, concentrates on individual songs. 6 million 'plays' is what drives the industry now. That lack of effort and instant access appeals to Generation Z, although not exclusively, obviously. But they are the market. As we were in the past. And ownership of a record/CD/track is no longer relevant. Stream, listen, move on.
As Andy said to Francis, "stop bothering about it; we've had the best of it" And, to me, that's true.
Rhino's new album was a welcome addition, as were the new albums of several acts recently. But it's a diminishing medium and it's not going to change.
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Post by 4th Chord on Mar 21, 2024 16:57:22 GMT
I'm hoping there's not another Quo album as I doubt I could take another tongue lashing from Rhino!
"Been having quite a laugh looking at the message board lately. One crap version of the single appears on the web and the usual suspects start carping on about how awful it is, the new album is DEFINITELY going to be shite, and, ooh, they might stop being Quo fans. Well I got news for you. You ain't Quo fans, you like the Frantic Few or whatever it is, and that's fair enough, however, I got a really good idea for you, it's a no brainer really. If you ain't going to like it, save your doubtless hard earned cash and don't buy it! Simple really isn't it? Just think, you could buy an extra half a yard of sand to stick your head in, a new bowl of hogwash or a large sack of bullshit, with your extra dosh... unlimited opportunities. This album is where we're at today, and that's the way it is. No apologies from me there anyway."
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Post by markquo on Mar 21, 2024 19:09:42 GMT
I'm hoping there's not another Quo album as I doubt I could take another tongue lashing from Rhino! "Been having quite a laugh looking at the message board lately. One crap version of the single appears on the web and the usual suspects start carping on about how awful it is, the new album is DEFINITELY going to be shite, and, ooh, they might stop being Quo fans. Well I got news for you. You ain't Quo fans, you like the Frantic Few or whatever it is, and that's fair enough, however, I got a really good idea for you, it's a no brainer really. If you ain't going to like it, save your doubtless hard earned cash and don't buy it! Simple really isn't it? Just think, you could buy an extra half a yard of sand to stick your head in, a new bowl of hogwash or a large sack of bullshit, with your extra dosh... unlimited opportunities. This album is where we're at today, and that's the way it is. No apologies from me there anyway." What interview was that from mate ,don’t recall reading that before ? Cheers
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Post by 4th Chord on Mar 21, 2024 20:06:01 GMT
I'm hoping there's not another Quo album as I doubt I could take another tongue lashing from Rhino! "Been having quite a laugh looking at the message board lately. One crap version of the single appears on the web and the usual suspects start carping on about how awful it is, the new album is DEFINITELY going to be shite, and, ooh, they might stop being Quo fans. Well I got news for you. You ain't Quo fans, you like the Frantic Few or whatever it is, and that's fair enough, however, I got a really good idea for you, it's a no brainer really. If you ain't going to like it, save your doubtless hard earned cash and don't buy it! Simple really isn't it? Just think, you could buy an extra half a yard of sand to stick your head in, a new bowl of hogwash or a large sack of bullshit, with your extra dosh... unlimited opportunities. This album is where we're at today, and that's the way it is. No apologies from me there anyway." What interview was that from mate ,don’t recall reading that before ? Cheers It was in a Pm to me……. Just kidding. From his tour log. He’d had a pint. www.statusquo.co.uk/xs-all-areas-tour-part-10
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Post by roadhouse on Mar 21, 2024 21:15:29 GMT
What interview was that from mate ,don’t recall reading that before ? Cheers It was in a Pm to me……. Just kidding. From his tour log. He’d had a pint. Does Rhino still do his tour log?
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Post by 4th Chord on Mar 21, 2024 21:30:41 GMT
It was in a Pm to me……. Just kidding. From his tour log. He’d had a pint. Does Rhino still do his tour log? No, did it up to 2016, just before Rick's death.
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Post by roadhouse on Mar 21, 2024 21:32:16 GMT
Does Rhino still do his tour log? No, did it up to 2016, just before Rick's death. OK thanks
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Mar 23, 2024 20:54:55 GMT
I think smaller bands, start ups etc who don't pour thousands of pounds into their recordings, still have an income stream from CDs (and of course vinyl has become a sort of collectable jewellery ) but even that is drying up as a lot of people don't have a CD player now. Streaming seems to be set up to provide a lot of money for its owners and a few mega artists.
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Post by roadhouse on Mar 25, 2024 14:55:08 GMT
I think smaller bands, start ups etc who don't pour thousands of pounds into their recordings, still have an income stream from CDs (and of course vinyl has become a sort of collectable jewellery ) but even that is drying up as a lot of people don't have a CD player now. Streaming seems to be set up to provide a lot of money for its owners and a few mega artists. Yeah true, although I read last week that CD sales are actually rising again. Vinyls also continue to rise. I'm not saying streaming should be banned completely, I just don't agree that streaming should be allowed to affect the charts. Streaming used sensibly is ideal for checking out new music, or music you haven't heard before, so then ideally you buy the physical product. Theres no reason the 2 couldn't work together.
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Post by mortified on Mar 26, 2024 8:10:48 GMT
I think smaller bands, start ups etc who don't pour thousands of pounds into their recordings, still have an income stream from CDs (and of course vinyl has become a sort of collectable jewellery ) but even that is drying up as a lot of people don't have a CD player now. Streaming seems to be set up to provide a lot of money for its owners and a few mega artists. Yeah true, although I read last week that CD sales are actually rising again. Vinyls also continue to rise. I'm not saying streaming should be banned completely, I just don't agree that streaming should be allowed to affect the charts. Streaming used sensibly is ideal for checking out new music, or music you haven't heard before, so then ideally you buy the physical product. Theres no reason the 2 couldn't work together. I don't think anyone would disagree with that. It's eminently sensible. And fair. However, you're dealing with music and streaming companies who are making vast sums of money simply by virtue of playing massive back catalogues. As well as new music for a generation who are not interested in a physical product. They're not going to give that up. Fairness and artistic merit don't come into it. A case of sad, but true? A younger generation have been brought up on downloads and then 'educated' to stream. This is how they listen to their music. OK, that's a generalisation and there will be exceptions but this is how it is. One example. My stepdaughter is 32 years old and all she does is stream. All she used to do was download. And not by paying for it either. Now she's not what you'd exactly call Generation Z and even she's streaming. Spotify with adverts I think. Not sure if she pays for that. But streaming also lets you create playlists. The record and the CD are still out there and still selling enough to justify their production but it's just a matter of time before they disappear in my view. I pop into one of those new HMV's quite regularly just for a browse. There's never a soul in the place. Unless you go downstairs to the gaming section. Much busier. Get that flag of surrender up
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Post by matt on Mar 26, 2024 9:24:26 GMT
The old methods of content consumption are finished. Cinema, physical media, tv. People want things in their own terms not dictated by big corporations who can set their own price
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Post by roadhouse on Mar 26, 2024 11:09:15 GMT
Yeah true, although I read last week that CD sales are actually rising again. Vinyls also continue to rise. I'm not saying streaming should be banned completely, I just don't agree that streaming should be allowed to affect the charts. Streaming used sensibly is ideal for checking out new music, or music you haven't heard before, so then ideally you buy the physical product. Theres no reason the 2 couldn't work together. I don't think anyone would disagree with that. It's eminently sensible. And fair. However, you're dealing with music and streaming companies who are making vast sums of money simply by virtue of playing massive back catalogues. As well as new music for a generation who are not interested in a physical product. They're not going to give that up. Fairness and artistic merit don't come into it. A case of sad, but true? A younger generation have been brought up on downloads and then 'educated' to stream. This is how they listen to their music. OK, that's a generalisation and there will be exceptions but this is how it is. One example. My stepdaughter is 32 years old and all she does is stream. All she used to do was download. And not by paying for it either. Now she's not what you'd exactly call Generation Z and even she's streaming. Spotify with adverts I think. Not sure if she pays for that. But streaming also lets you create playlists. The record and the CD are still out there and still selling enough to justify their production but it's just a matter of time before they disappear in my view. I pop into one of those new HMV's quite regularly just for a browse. There's never a soul in the place. Unless you go downstairs to the gaming section. Much busier. Get that flag of surrender up I think for me it's more to do with the injustice towards artists fees, and the disconnection between fan and artist that disturbs me. I stream, so I'm no stranger to it, but I just don't feel it should influence chart positions. I see no reason why it can't just be used to check out new music, that way they would still make money, and everybody would be happy surely? Also I never legally downloaded because it just doesn't feel value for money. I grew up on a diet of religiously buying the physical product, but pushed the boat out by going the extra mile and buying all the formats to a single. Can you imagine young fans doing that today? It's such a shame it's ended up like this.
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Post by Xland on Mar 28, 2024 18:53:41 GMT
I've no idea how much it costs, but I would imagine, when you have your own studios and if you don't use an outside producer etc, that surely must bring costs down.
It comes down to sales though, that's really what they are saying, they just don't sell what they once did and don't really make much, if any, profit or meaningful income. If they somehow had some massive free publicity and put a single or album out on the back of it and it shifts 100,000 copies in a week, different story then, for anybody.
For a touring live band like Quo, I'd see making new albums as marketing for gig tickets basically, just like your big brands will spend thousands, sometimes millions, on a new advert or marketing campaign. If you can sell out or still pull relatively significant live gig numbers, this providing the main income, then it becomes worth it in the end. If I was managing a band like Quo today that's how I'd have them look at it anyway, like a new advert from a big brand, you are selling or trying to sell the live experience, this is our new material, we've still got it, we're touring, so come and see us live.
Yeah, I think from the creative point of view, as long as it's not ridiculous money, they would always be coming up with new stuff and would want to not just record it, but put it out there, because that's what they do, it's who they are.
I do still love the physical product and I'm not that old, I still buy newspapers, books and even though I'm now on Amazon music, I still buy a cd or vinyl if it's someone or something that I like. There is something magical about it, you can feel it, touch it, smell it, even taste it if you wanted too, then there's the extras you can get with either a cd or vinyl etc.
Rossi made a point recently in one of his interviews about hoping or saying that, regards the likes of streaming I think, if something comes along to make people fall in love with music again or a new medium came along and strikes the right balance I guess. I think he has a point there and last year I purchased a Roberts Stream 67L, as I knew I was going to start my streaming journey. Anyway, it has a screen at the front, but it's small, for me it needs to be bigger, let's say about 10 inches, with album artwork displayed, lyrics and other info available etc. On any speaker, sound system or radio you use at home, you start to bring streaming to life a bit with a bigger screen or a screen of any kind if your device hasn't got one at all.
Obviously for those who are just playing and listening through your phones or whatever, it doesn't really make much difference, but I still love to have a good home system and be able just to sit in a room, listen and enjoy at good volume.
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Post by Xland on Mar 29, 2024 13:44:29 GMT
I'm hoping there's not another Quo album as I doubt I could take another tongue lashing from Rhino! "Been having quite a laugh looking at the message board lately. One crap version of the single appears on the web and the usual suspects start carping on about how awful it is, the new album is DEFINITELY going to be shite, and, ooh, they might stop being Quo fans. Well I got news for you. You ain't Quo fans, you like the Frantic Few or whatever it is, and that's fair enough, however, I got a really good idea for you, it's a no brainer really. If you ain't going to like it, save your doubtless hard earned cash and don't buy it! Simple really isn't it? Just think, you could buy an extra half a yard of sand to stick your head in, a new bowl of hogwash or a large sack of bullshit, with your extra dosh... unlimited opportunities. This album is where we're at today, and that's the way it is. No apologies from me there anyway." He's got a new song there if he ever needs one! So XS All Areas tour, was this 2004? I loved both You'll Come Round and Thinking Of You, wonder if this was what he was talking about.
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