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Post by freewilly on Jul 22, 2022 15:59:57 GMT
But Francis can bash Alan, John and Rick? Even going as far as to make a nasty remark in his book about Alan falling due to his health and that's OK? Weird mindset to have It's a funny thing.. having read it, I didn't read it that way at all. Rossi said Nuff got all pissed off cos him and Rick had to carry him off stage one night. Like, what was the alternative? Let him fall over? I don't think for one minute that he meant he would have enjoyed seeing Nuff take a tumble... It was more a point of Nuff taking offence at them helping him offstage. He was as proud as a lion, our Nuff 👍 Yeah, I get that way of seeing it. From my perspective, Francis didn't wanna do those tours and giving his previous remarks on ex band members, I nor anyone can be blamed for thinking what I feel, rightly or wrongly. He didn't pick up the phone to call Pete in 85. Maybe Alan was lying but, no one fought for JC at Live Aid. That one is on Francis, Rick and Alan! Anywho, tis what it is. |
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Post by frozenhero on Aug 5, 2022 8:28:32 GMT
I have to say that "We don't Do In The Army Now or...what's the other song that nobody f***ing likes?" "Marguerita Time" "We definitely don't do that one." made me chuckle! Aside from Aquostic, Quo haven't played that song in a long time either. |
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Post by matt on Aug 12, 2022 6:51:17 GMT
It’s ok to have opinions on songs but considering John didn’t write any of them it’s a bit rich to be overly critical
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Post by charles on Aug 12, 2022 7:10:16 GMT
Why? I wasn't there when Margie was written, but I certainly have an opinion about it. (It sucks.)
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Post by matt on Aug 12, 2022 7:41:42 GMT
Why? I wasn't there when Margie was written, but I certainly have an opinion about it. (It sucks.) You also don’t make a living playing Francis’s songs |
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Post by markquo on Aug 12, 2022 12:46:17 GMT
Why? I wasn't there when Margie was written, but I certainly have an opinion about it. (It sucks.) You also don’t make a living playing Francis’s songs You could say that about any cover band that makes a living out of playing other peoples songs Cheers |
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Post by freewilly on Aug 12, 2022 13:43:06 GMT
Why? I wasn't there when Margie was written, but I certainly have an opinion about it. (It sucks.) You also don’t make a living playing Francis’s songs I played in cover bands. I do cover sets for money. I hate a lot of the songs I play...What's your point? If we take your point of view then, it's a bit rich for you to be commenting on songs you never wrote either. Same goes for all of us. Read your posts before. You seem clued in. So you'll know JC contributed a lot to those songs. Francis and Bob didn't come in and tell him what to play, just like Rick and Alan didn't tell him to do the bridge between Backwater and Just Take Me. He was there, he was a major part of the band. He has every right to play those songs. More so than anyone along with Francis, Rick, Alan, Andy and Bob Sorry pal but, I have no clue where you're going with this |
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Post by frozenhero on Aug 12, 2022 15:00:05 GMT
I think the point is that if John hadn't lost his cool in 1982, he would've played on "Marguerita Time". The way things were going, his input wouldn't have changed much about the song. But that's where Francis' mindset was at that point. It sort of mirrors a couple of fans on this board who just keep acting as if albums like RTYD or HT or QPQ never happened. They're stuck in 1986, basically. Did John ever honor the fact that they did some much more Quo sounding tracks after those 80s deviations?
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Post by freewilly on Aug 12, 2022 17:00:49 GMT
I think the point is that if John hadn't lost his cool in 1982, he would've played on "Marguerita Time". The way things were going, his input wouldn't have changed much about the song. But that's where Francis' mindset was at that point. It sort of mirrors a couple of fans on this board who just keep acting as if albums like RTYD or HT or QPQ never happened. They're stuck in 1986, basically. Did John ever honor the fact that they did some much more Quo sounding tracks after those 80s deviations? In John's defence, he's never been asked about stuff like HT...Would be interested in his opinion. I do know he loves Army 🤷♂️ Also, Roger Taylor of Queen hates Another One Bites The Dust. Still played on it. Freddie hated singing some of Brian's songs as they pushed his vocals very far. Still sang on them. Alan hated the song but rightfully took his royalties from it. He played on it. He may have hated it but, at the end of the day, it was his job. Whether he was lied to in regards it was for Francis' solo album or not is irrelevant here. From that point of view, should Roger have refused to play Another One Bites The Dust? A band is very different from a solo artist. It's very easy for a solo artist to rip things up and start again. A band, you're dealing with individuals and egos. And Quo, whether they or us like to admit it or not, were never gonna be big time solo artists. They knew they needed the name the 4 of them built. Hence why Francis came running back and still uses it to this day and why John still uses it |
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Post by matt on Aug 12, 2022 19:47:43 GMT
I think like it or not without Francis’s writing there would be no JCQ. He’s a direct beneficiary.
So while John is happy to reap the rewards of his songwriting talent, it just rankles a little to openly piss on songs and recordings made when he was no longer in the group by the same songwriter.
I don’t have a dog in the fight. Just think it’s a little clumsy.
But I’m happy to accept others don’t share the view. And I can’t really be bothered getting into the minutiae of my opinion. John is quos best drummer no question and responsible for a large part of the 70s sound.
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Post by freewilly on Aug 12, 2022 21:51:39 GMT
I think like it or not without Francis’s writing there would be no JCQ. He’s a direct beneficiary. So while John is happy to reap the rewards of his songwriting talent, it just rankles a little to openly piss on songs and recordings made when he was no longer in the group by the same songwriter. I don’t have a dog in the fight. Just think it’s a little clumsy. But I’m happy to accept others don’t share the view. And I can’t really be bothered getting into the minutiae of my opinion. John is quos best drummer no question and responsible for a large part of the 70s sound. But he's not pissing on it... He's pissing on MT which we all do. The guy loves In The Army. He doesn't play that as he wasn't on it Again, I don't understand your point. Mick Fleetwood and John McVie live off of Peter Green, Lindsey Buckingham, Steve Nicks and to some extent, Danny Kirwin...Are we to question their input? John was instrumental in those songs, along with Francis, Rick, Alan and Bob. If there was a problem, you can bet Francis or Simon would have ended it very quickly |
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Post by rossiswaistcoat on Aug 13, 2022 15:04:59 GMT
I think the point is that if John hadn't lost his cool in 1982, he would've played on "Marguerita Time". The way things were going, his input wouldn't have changed much about the song. Perhaps Alan said that the power dynamics changed and it was less of a democracy after John left. Had he stayed, MT may have been a solo hit for francis |
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Post by frozenhero on Aug 14, 2022 16:43:22 GMT
In John's defence, he's never been asked about stuff like HT...Would be interested in his opinion. I do know he loves Army 🤷♂️ He wasn't asked about these two songs either, was he?  Also, Roger Taylor of Queen hates Another One Bites The Dust. Still played on it. Freddie hated singing some of Brian's songs as they pushed his vocals very far. Still sang on them. And Alan Parsons didn't like "Eye in the Sky". And Rick Davies didn't care for "Breakfast in America". And Roger Waters was lukewarm about "Comfortably Numb". Some of the biggest hits almost wouldn't have happened! "Army" actually also qualifies, since both Rick and Alan were against it when Francis first brought it up. The difference, then, is that those are all disagreements that these people were involved in. It's too easy for John to point his finger at things beyond his tenure as if to say "Look where they went without me". Not that he wouldn't have a point, but him staying wouldn't have changed the general evolution of the band members' sensibilities. I would appreciate comments like these more if he also pinpointed a song from his time in the band that he doesn't want to play. |
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Post by gav on Aug 14, 2022 21:19:32 GMT
JC sounds like he's using a little mischievous humour, nothing more - just having a chuckle and a bit of harmless banter.
It doesn't sound "overly critical" of or "pissing on" said songs. There is no critique there at all really, just expressing a dislike but not implying that he has any massive problem.
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Post by dennis on Aug 15, 2022 10:40:26 GMT
Maybe it's just a bit of John's grumpy old man coming to the fore - he was certainly renowned as being a grumpy young man!
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