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Post by 4th Chord on Jan 18, 2021 16:28:03 GMT
John Shearer, LIFE magazine's 2nd Black staff photographer, took this as he walked to MLK's funeral. He said people (like this woman) on the side of the road snarled, spat at the grieving marchers. Shearer's photo captures the hate dripping from her face. Looks familiar, no?
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Post by mortified on Jan 19, 2021 8:27:41 GMT
It's a very strange country at times. Even more so in the sixties no doubt. Racism is embedded in a great deal of American culture. But I always think it started right here; in Britain and in Europe. We took our bigoted, self-righteous, God-fearing approach over there, wiped out everything that was moving or breathing and brought in the slaves. Just as we had done for hundreds of years on this side of the Atlantic.
That photo captures so much. It probably sums up the entire issue.
Every western country seems to have managed to eventually deal with the racism in their culture (although, if I'm honest, I think we're still struggling at times) but America hangs on to it because much of the country is so insular.
I have relatives in Texas. One of my dad's sisters was a war bride and went across there in the early fifties to marry one of the Americans stationed here. She lived there the rest of her days. Till she was in her 90's in fact. But my sister told me when they went to visit - which they did a few times in the seventies (I never did) - the hatred for the black population was staggering. And I mean hatred.
As I say, embedded. So much so, that the bigotry was as natural as breathing. I suspect very little has changed the further south you go. Although I appreciate it's not restricted to those states. It's just more prevalent. Or seems that way to me from afar.
Great pic.
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Post by gerh on Jan 28, 2021 18:31:33 GMT
Contorted with Bitterness and Bile - she's welcome to every drop.
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Post by railroad007 on Jan 30, 2021 10:29:56 GMT
The last Confederate veteran died in 1958. The Yanks have a long way to go before they sort out racism issues. We have a parallel with historical issues in NI and that's not sorted by any means.
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Post by railroad007 on Jan 30, 2021 10:47:33 GMT
It's a very strange country at times. Even more so in the sixties no doubt. Racism is embedded in a great deal of American culture. But I always think it started right here; in Britain and in Europe. We took our bigoted, self-righteous, God-fearing approach over there, wiped out everything that was moving or breathing and brought in the slaves. Just as we had done for hundreds of years on this side of the Atlantic. That photo captures so much. It probably sums up the entire issue. Every western country seems to have managed to eventually deal with the racism in their culture (although, if I'm honest, I think we're still struggling at times) but America hangs on to it because much of the country is so insular. I have relatives in Texas. One of my dad's sisters was a war bride and went across there in the early fifties to marry one of the Americans stationed here. She lived there the rest of her days. Till she was in her 90's in fact. But my sister told me when they went to visit - which they did a few times in the seventies (I never did) - the hatred for the black population was staggering. And I mean hatred. As I say, embedded. So much so, that the bigotry was as natural as breathing. I suspect very little has changed the further south you go. Although I appreciate it's not restricted to those states. It's just more prevalent. Or seems that way to me from afar. Great pic. "As I say, embedded. So much so, that the bigotry was as natural as breathing. I suspect very little has changed the further south you go. Although I appreciate it's not restricted to those states. It's just more prevalent. Or seems that way to me from afar." I was watching a documentary about why certain parts of the North were less racist and it wasn't some great morality it was just that there weren't that many blacks there. When it got so bad in the South during the 30's there was a migration to the North and West to work in the large industries and then the issue really got off the ground Stateside. I think it's too late in America. It's a relatively young nation in a very old World. In the "old world" we are used to really big changes all the time so we seem to embrace change and don't fight it so much. Things that would really shock folks in certain areas Stateside don't even raise an eyebrow in Europe. Parliament passes a law, we may have a grumble but we seem to have this ability to see the sense in things and adapt our opinions and see the other view. We seem to like being reasonable and fair in Europe but that takes centuries of conflict to get to that.
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Post by mortified on Jan 30, 2021 10:59:38 GMT
The racism in America has probably indirectly created the gang culture over there and now they're stuck with it. And that includes several ethnicities. I suspect London is similar. Maybe other cities down south, although I'm not 100% sure on those.
There's no easy answer to this I'm afraid. People and their prejudices are what they are and probably always will be. I personally can't seen an end to prejudice despite the idealistic ramblings of some. But I guess we have to keep on fighting; verbally at least.
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Post by railroad007 on Jan 30, 2021 15:23:50 GMT
The racism in America has probably indirectly created the gang culture over there and now they're stuck with it. And that includes several ethnicities. I suspect London is similar. Maybe other cities down south, although I'm not 100% sure on those. There's no easy answer to this I'm afraid. People and their prejudices are what they are and probably always will be. I personally can't seen an end to prejudice despite the idealistic ramblings of some. But I guess we have to keep on fighting; verbally at least. You'd be surprised at London, it's not a problem here at all. A fully integrated multi-cultural metropolis that does okay. I count the real London and Londoner as someone who is born 3 miles either side of the Thames between from Plumstead to Barnes no matter what. The Essex Type/Danny Dyer Londoner disappeared years ago to become this strange caricature who speaks very strangely "Babe" "Treacle" "Geezer" being some examples. It's too diverse here for the Union Jack brigade to survive, it would be like a Nazi in the foyer of the UN. The gang thing is laughable. Gangs of 4 to 5 lads (Wastemen) dealing weed (Roadmen) and killing each other for the pleasure. The real gangs are the Albanians who booted the Yardies out of the heroin trade, The Mali's (Somalian) who booted the Yardies out of the big weed and coke deals and the old London firms who run the E and club drug scene who nobody boots anywhere.
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Post by gerh on Jan 30, 2021 19:15:15 GMT
The last Confederate veteran died in 1958. The Yanks have a long way to go before they sort out racism issues. We have a parallel with historical issues in NI and that's not sorted by any means. ...the historical issues are, really, with the whole island over here, r007 - but I get your gist! And yes, you're right - it's not sorted by any means - Brexit and its spawn [difference/division/'the other' etc etc etc] has severely rocked the 'border boat'. More to come - probably, unfortunately.
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Post by mortified on Jan 31, 2021 7:38:25 GMT
The racism in America has probably indirectly created the gang culture over there and now they're stuck with it. And that includes several ethnicities. I suspect London is similar. Maybe other cities down south, although I'm not 100% sure on those. There's no easy answer to this I'm afraid. People and their prejudices are what they are and probably always will be. I personally can't seen an end to prejudice despite the idealistic ramblings of some. But I guess we have to keep on fighting; verbally at least. You'd be surprised at London, it's not a problem here at all. A fully integrated multi-cultural metropolis that does okay. I count the real London and Londoner as someone who is born 3 miles either side of the Thames between from Plumstead to Barnes no matter what. The Essex Type/Danny Dyer Londoner disappeared years ago to become this strange caricature who speaks very strangely "Babe" "Treacle" "Geezer" being some examples. It's too diverse here for the Union Jack brigade to survive, it would be like a Nazi in the foyer of the UN. The gang thing is laughable. Gangs of 4 to 5 lads (Wastemen) dealing weed (Roadmen) and killing each other for the pleasure. The real gangs are the Albanians who booted the Yardies out of the heroin trade, The Mali's (Somalian) who booted the Yardies out of the big weed and coke deals and the old London firms who run the E and club drug scene who nobody boots anywhere. You seem strangely well informed about the illegal drug trade Ta for the info though. We don't really have a gang culture up here but there is a human trafficking/drug/prostitution problem, largely driven by Eastern Europeans; Albanians and Slovakians mostly. I see it in my day to day workings with criminal legal aid. Although that's maybe a skewed picture because the parameters I work within are so narrow.
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Post by railroad007 on Jan 31, 2021 11:34:57 GMT
You'd be surprised at London, it's not a problem here at all. A fully integrated multi-cultural metropolis that does okay. I count the real London and Londoner as someone who is born 3 miles either side of the Thames between from Plumstead to Barnes no matter what. The Essex Type/Danny Dyer Londoner disappeared years ago to become this strange caricature who speaks very strangely "Babe" "Treacle" "Geezer" being some examples. It's too diverse here for the Union Jack brigade to survive, it would be like a Nazi in the foyer of the UN. The gang thing is laughable. Gangs of 4 to 5 lads (Wastemen) dealing weed (Roadmen) and killing each other for the pleasure. The real gangs are the Albanians who booted the Yardies out of the heroin trade, The Mali's (Somalian) who booted the Yardies out of the big weed and coke deals and the old London firms who run the E and club drug scene who nobody boots anywhere. You seem strangely well informed about the illegal drug trade Ta for the info though. We don't really have a gang culture up here but there is a human trafficking/drug/prostitution problem, largely driven by Eastern Europeans; Albanians and Slovakians mostly. I see it in my day to day workings with criminal legal aid. Although that's maybe a skewed picture because the parameters I work within are so narrow. Ha ha Mort...so you know the truth about the real world and what really happens through your legal stuff. I worked in Social Services homeless teens unit, joined in my late 50's, I thought I'd seen it all growing up on a housing estate in South London...I fcukin well hadn't!
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Post by 37 on Feb 8, 2021 18:29:16 GMT
Incredible picture. Mortified, without getting into a political etc discussion, I think you are correct about Britain and its ahem dubious past regarding racism and politics. To be honest that picture could have been taken in Northern Ireland in this present day. The way the two side detest each other has barely changed in 300 years!
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