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Post by Tʰᵉ Wᵃˡˡ Oᶠ Dᵉᵃᵗʰ on Jan 14, 2016 16:29:28 GMT
Was just wondering when a song is officially classed as a cover? Because I'm sure there's some grey area here. Cutting the chase it's usually "releasing a version of song previously done by another artist."
But here's a couple of tracks for example:
Lew Lewis Reformer with Win Or Lose. Written by Rossi & Frost. Recorded 1979, 4 years before Quo's own version. Demis Roussos with Sorry. Again written By Rossi & Frost. Recorded in 1981, 14 years before Quo's own version.
So these songs are Quo material but pre-date the actual Quo version. Seems strange that the writers own version is a cover.
Also, what about Down The Dustpipe? Although it was never released by another band and it was written by Carl Groszman, it was demoed by a band called Man before it was released as a single by Quo.
In a similar vein, I'm sure there was a demo of Jam Side Down floating about (possibly by Charlie Dore) .
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Post by Tʰᵉ Wᵃˡˡ Oᶠ Dᵉᵃᵗʰ on Jan 14, 2016 18:33:14 GMT
Two of the worst songs in the history of time. I'm not bothered about the quality of the songs, I was just giving examples.
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Post by paul70 on Jan 14, 2016 21:31:42 GMT
Was just wondering when a song is officially classed as a cover? Because I'm sure there's some grey area here. Cutting the chase it's usually " releasing a version of song previously done by another artist." But here's a couple of tracks for example: Lew Lewis Reformer with Win Or Lose. Written by Rossi & Frost. Recorded 1979, 4 years before Quo's own version. Demis Roussos with Sorry. Again written By Rossi & Frost. Recorded in 1981, 14 years before Quo's own version. So these songs are Quo material but pre-date the actual Quo version. Seems strange that the writers own version is a cover. Also, what about Down The Dustpipe? Although it was never released by another band and it was written by Carl Groszman, it was demoed by a band called Man before it was released as a single by Quo. In a similar vein, I'm sure there was a demo of Jam Side Down floating about (possibly by Charlie Dore) . I Like this version, this -79 dirty one.. better than some poor Quo tribute
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Post by MrWaistcoat on Jan 30, 2016 11:51:31 GMT
I don't think you can do a cover of a song you wrote,even if someone else recorded it first. So sorry and win or lose are not covers (and btw I don't mind either song!)
It is complicated!
Eg, is Red Sky a cover?
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Post by Xland on Jan 30, 2016 12:29:48 GMT
For me a clear cover is if you record a track that was written and already recorded by someone else first. So Quo-wise likes of Roadhouse, Juniors, RAOTW. If you record a song written by someone else, but that song has not been recorded by anyone else or maybe not even assigned a melody yet, then I don't really class that as a cover. I think Red Sky probably fits that with Quo, but not 100% sure, John David's words + Quo's tune + not recorded by anyone else first = Quo's track.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2016 12:46:29 GMT
For me a clear cover is if you record a track that was written and already recorded by someone else first. So Quo-wise likes of Roadhouse, Juniors, RAOTW. If you record a song written by someone else, but that song has not been recorded by anyone else or maybe not even assigned a melody yet, then I don't really class that as a cover. I think Red Sky probably fits that with Quo, but not 100% sure, John David's words + Quo's tune + not recorded by anyone else first = Quo's track. I agree. And the band that records the track should put something of their own style/sound/feelings into it, not just play a copy of it.
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Post by dennis on Jan 31, 2016 0:42:37 GMT
For me a clear cover is if you record a track that was written and already recorded by someone else first. So Quo-wise likes of Roadhouse, Juniors, RAOTW. If you record a song written by someone else, but that song has not been recorded by anyone else or maybe not even assigned a melody yet, then I don't really class that as a cover. I think Red Sky probably fits that with Quo, but not 100% sure, John David's words + Quo's tune + not recorded by anyone else first = Quo's track. Quo's tune?? Didn't John David/John Williams as was write the whole song? If so, then it's only the arrangement used that could possibly be attributed to Quo, & even that might be taken straight from the writer's demo.
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Post by dennis on Jan 31, 2016 0:53:18 GMT
To my mind if you play somewbody elses song then it's a cover. Think of all the songs written by Bob Dylan & Lennon/McCartney that were covered by others, often long before an 'orginal' version surfaced, if one ever did.
For eg, my list of Quo covers includes any track not written, at least in part, by a member of the band:
Time To Fly Down The Dustpipe Lazy Poker Blues Junior's Wailing Roadhouse Blues Bye Bye Johnny Wild Side Of Life Rockin' All Over The World Who Am I ? Accident Prone Something 'Bout You Baby I Like Carol
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Post by MrWaistcoat on Jan 31, 2016 9:06:25 GMT
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Post by Xland on Jan 31, 2016 12:39:07 GMT
For me a clear cover is if you record a track that was written and already recorded by someone else first. So Quo-wise likes of Roadhouse, Juniors, RAOTW. If you record a song written by someone else, but that song has not been recorded by anyone else or maybe not even assigned a melody yet, then I don't really class that as a cover. I think Red Sky probably fits that with Quo, but not 100% sure, John David's words + Quo's tune + not recorded by anyone else first = Quo's track. Quo's tune?? Didn't John David/John Williams as was write the whole song? If so, then it's only the arrangement used that could possibly be attributed to Quo, & even that might be taken straight from the writer's demo. Yes probably, I don't know, that's what I wasn't really sure about. I don't know of another version, demo or otherwise, maybe someone on here knows more about that particular track and can let us know.
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Post by curiousgirl on Jan 31, 2016 13:05:50 GMT
Interesting thread Twod. Had no idea about one of those Quo tracks being recorded before they did - Win or Lose.
I don't see how Quo's own recording of those two are cover versions as they wrote them.
I always think a cover is when a band do their version of a track that is already well known by another artist.
So for me a grey area is Rocking All Over the World. Yes, Quo covered this John Fogerty track and technically it is a cover version. But as it wasn't that well known, it was never called a cover version and some people probably think Quo wrote it.
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Post by cooliquo on Jan 31, 2016 16:57:19 GMT
Interesting thread Twod. Had no idea about one of those Quo tracks being recorded before they did - Win or Lose. I don't see how Quo's own recording of those two are cover versions as they wrote them. I always think a cover is when a band do their version of a track that is already well known by another artist. So for me a grey area is Rocking All Over the World. Yes, Quo covered this John Fogerty track and technically it is a cover version. But as it wasn't that well known, it was never called a cover version and some people probably think Quo wrote it. Bit like In The Army Now.
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Post by curiousgirl on Jan 31, 2016 16:58:45 GMT
Interesting thread Twod. Had no idea about one of those Quo tracks being recorded before they did - Win or Lose. I don't see how Quo's own recording of those two are cover versions as they wrote them. I always think a cover is when a band do their version of a track that is already well known by another artist. So for me a grey area is Rocking All Over the World. Yes, Quo covered this John Fogerty track and technically it is a cover version. But as it wasn't that well known, it was never called a cover version and some people probably think Quo wrote it. Bit like In The Army Now. Indeed.
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Post by Railroad17 on Jan 31, 2016 18:27:41 GMT
Was just wondering when a song is officially classed as a cover? Because I'm sure there's some grey area here. Cutting the chase it's usually " releasing a version of song previously done by another artist." But here's a couple of tracks for example: Lew Lewis Reformer with Win Or Lose. Written by Rossi & Frost. Recorded 1979, 4 years before Quo's own version. Demis Roussos with Sorry. Again written By Rossi & Frost. Recorded in 1981, 14 years before Quo's own version. So these songs are Quo material but pre-date the actual Quo version. Seems strange that the writers own version is a cover. Also, what about Down The Dustpipe? Although it was never released by another band and it was written by Carl Groszman, it was demoed by a band called Man before it was released as a single by Quo. In a similar vein, I'm sure there was a demo of Jam Side Down floating about (possibly by Charlie Dore) . When is a song a cover? When it blankets the airwaves.
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Post by Railroad17 on Jan 31, 2016 18:29:46 GMT
I reckon 'interpretation of' is the right phrase.
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