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Post by 37 on Apr 11, 2020 12:36:06 GMT
Yes, his name is John NOT David. I stand corrected!
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Post by hershie on Apr 11, 2020 12:57:56 GMT
This is a brilliant thread,ideal for lockdown, thanks hershie. Anyway I have done a little bit of detective work (as I have the square root of f*ck all to do at the moment, until I paint the fence!) I have just come off the phone to John Henshall who filmed it and is in possession of the David Bowie TOTP Jean Genie tape. I found him easily through Google. He only has the Bowie clip unfortunatley not the whole show with Quo playing Paper Plane. He really is a top man, we spoke for about 15 minutes about his time working for the BBC. He did say that a company called Kaleidoscope which finds lost TV programmes might be able to help. I have just emailed them with the details. Hopefully they can find that hidden gem! From what I recall, John Henshall had the Jean Genie clip as an orphaned one himself because of the fisheye lense used - he was the camera operator and wanted to keep a copy as an example of his work. Something like that anyway. I'm a member of the Kaleidoscope group on Facebook; it's an excellent place for questions and it's probably the best place to find out when new finds of lost material are announced. There's also the missingepisodes forum where things from them, as well as "Missing Believed Wiped" and finds from other archives are discussed and announced; it's a fairly active forum when there's things to discuss. It's through these sources that I found out about the potential of the surviving Paper Plane from that show. It's a home video recording and could be in awful condition, but we also may never know. It's certainly better than nothing. There have been a lot of things found that then require extensive work and expertise to even try and get them to play or be watchable. For example, a bunch of tapes were announced a while back that included a load of performances from "Lift Off..", including another infamous Bowie performance. This has yet to show up even though there's huge interest in it. A couple of Sweet recordings have emerged, and a few bits have been show at events - take a look here for just how ropey the quality is. With regards to knowing about the surviving Down Down "Pan's People" routine, there's a forum called 'One For The Dads' that is the best place for this. Again, despite it having been announced as found and there being huge interest in the Quo video, this has yet to turn up online.
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Post by 37 on Apr 11, 2020 13:20:50 GMT
hershie, I have just received an email from Chris Perry at Kaleidoscope. Hope this helps. Chris Perry <cp@kaleidoscopepublishing.co.uk> 14:05 (13 minutes ago) to me Hi Chris, this edition does exist in our archive but at £225 to licence and buy a copy, it's outside most budgets. Thanks Chris On 11-04-2020 10:51, TVBrain wrote: > This is an enquiry email via www.tvbrain.info/ from: > Chris Nott <37nott@gmail.com> > > Hello, I hope you can help me find a Top Of The Pops edition from the > 4th January 1973. It contains my favourite band Status Quo performing > the song Paper Plane. > Thank You > Regards Chris Nott
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Post by hershie on Apr 11, 2020 13:31:06 GMT
Interesting to see him say that the episode exists. I hope he's not mistaken there!
If it's the whole thing it'd be interesting to know if it's the whole show intact, or just the songs.
The source I saw regarding a recovery simply listed the following:
Thanks for your efforts looking into this.
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Post by Quoincidence on Apr 11, 2020 13:38:51 GMT
hershie, I have just received an email from Chris Perry at Kaleidoscope. Hope this helps. Chris Perry <cp@kaleidoscopepublishing.co.uk> 14:05 (13 minutes ago) to me Hi Chris, this edition does exist in our archive but at £225 to licence and buy a copy, it's outside most budgets. Thanks Chris On 11-04-2020 10:51, TVBrain wrote: > This is an enquiry email via www.tvbrain.info/ from: > Chris Nott <37nott@gmail.com> > > Hello, I hope you can help me find a Top Of The Pops edition from the > 4th January 1973. It contains my favourite band Status Quo performing > the song Paper Plane. > Thank You > Regards Chris Nott That's a ridiculous price! I paid £120 for 2 different Quo documentaries. That was simply to cover the cost of them digitising the material. So £225 for a couple minutes is over the top
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Post by hershie on Apr 11, 2020 13:47:27 GMT
I think there's unfortunately a bit of profiteering with wiped/recovered material; kind of the idea that if you don't pay them that for it, you can't get it from anywhere else.
I'd also guess that in some cases KAL etc have had to pay money to people to get the recordings preserved and digitised, and they want to see a return on that.
There's almost certainly a frustratingly large amount out there in the hands of people basically hoarding their tapes and demanding and ridiculous money for them; again knowing their uniqueness and rarity. The PVL is a good example, and there's lessons to be learnt from it too.
Iirc there was one guy who had a huge number of tapes but refused to part without crazy money changing hands. When he died, his wife started throwing the tapes away.
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Post by hershie on Apr 11, 2020 16:55:57 GMT
I've updated the initial post to now include all known appearances on the regular TOTP series; obviously far from including videos for everything but I've youtube linked where possible for a bunch.
A few queries for people who may know more than me: - Quo performed RAOTW in the studio in 2002; at the same time they recorded All Stand Up but this was apparantly never broadcast. Do we know if this was just because the single didn't do well? Was anything else recorded at the same time?
- How should I go about including TOTP2? There's obviously some unique performances it feels wrong not to include in the main list, but then does yet another Down Down or POMM on TOTP2 count as a TOTP appearance? I'm probably going to start it separately and then combine if it feels right to?
- Anyone got HD recordings of the most recent few appearances?
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Post by Rocker84 on Apr 11, 2020 18:07:24 GMT
There's a recording of paper plane they did on top of the pops on 13.9.2002 it was unbroadcast at the time but it appears on the RIFFS DVD
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Post by hershie on Apr 11, 2020 18:18:02 GMT
That looks like it's from the 2000 special? They did two sessions that were then edited into the show, I believe. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Post by Quoincidence on Apr 11, 2020 18:43:48 GMT
That looks like it's from the 2000 special? They did two sessions that were then edited into the show, I believe. Correct me if I'm wrong. Correct. They did a session in May 2000 and in October 2000. That is not from 2002. I've got the performances of All Stand Up, RAOTW and Jam Side Down from 2002.
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Post by kursaal75 on Apr 11, 2020 18:52:10 GMT
I've just played the bonus DVD featuring Paper Plane on TOTP, from the 'Riffs' CD album
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Post by hershie on Apr 11, 2020 18:58:46 GMT
That looks like it's from the 2000 special? They did two sessions that were then edited into the show, I believe. Correct me if I'm wrong. Correct. They did a session in May 2000 and in October 2000. That is not from 2002. I've got the performances of All Stand Up, RAOTW and Jam Side Down from 2002. Am I right in saying there were four sessions around this time? Two in 2000 and two in 2002?
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Post by Rocker84 on Apr 11, 2020 19:04:03 GMT
The date and broadcast information I got it from the RIFFS DVD before the song starts don't know if it correct or not but it might be a quo special
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Post by Quoincidence on Apr 11, 2020 19:20:29 GMT
Correct. They did a session in May 2000 and in October 2000. That is not from 2002. I've got the performances of All Stand Up, RAOTW and Jam Side Down from 2002. Am I right in saying there were four sessions around this time? Two in 2000 and two in 2002? I'd say 3, actual sessions. May / October 2000 and the All Stand Up / RAOTW 2002 session. The only thing live about the Jam Side Down performance was Rossi's vocals. The vocals for the performance of Let's Work Together were also live over the album track, rather than an instrumental mix. I think they possibly did a performance of I Didnt Mean It with live vocals. Not too sure.
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Post by hershie on Apr 11, 2020 19:25:05 GMT
Am I right in saying there were four sessions around this time? Two in 2000 and two in 2002? I'd say 3, actual sessions. May / October 2000 and the All Stand Up / RAOTW 2002 session. The only thing live about the Jam Side Down performance was Rossi's vocals. The vocals for the performance of Let's Work Together were also live over the album track, rather than an instrumental mix. I think they possibly did a performance of I Didnt Mean It with live vocals. Not too sure. That's true. Wanted to check I hadn't missed anything because I know the situation with the TOTP2 stuff is a bit confusing. From the amount of miming I've watched/listened to in the last few days, it's strange to see the few occasions where it's not. I want to say the December '88 RAOTW is simply a mime to the re-recording of that year, but I haven't fully checked.
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