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Post by pupcious on Aug 18, 2019 13:57:02 GMT
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Post by Gaz on Aug 18, 2019 14:15:12 GMT
Mate, while I’ve got the chance may I thank you for remixing the RAOTW album... it was fantastic. Can I ask you...., due to the obvious sub par sound of the original release of the album, were there any doubts at the time from the band or management whether it should’ve been released as it was? |
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Post by blagult on Aug 18, 2019 17:47:58 GMT
If my memory serves from reading the interviews and having a Rick Radio interview from the time of release it was a decision to bring Pip in too clean up the sound for the American Market which the album was targeted at.
They were all very happy with the results according to Rick. It was a last push for the Yankee Dollar !
I’ll have to dig out the cassette and get it all written down.
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Post by curiousgirl on Aug 18, 2019 18:09:49 GMT
Hi John pupcious, welcome to our forum again. We're ahead of you and started a thread about these wonderful short videos in our main discussion section. And its now pinned to the header. Thanks so much for sharing them. I'm really enjoying learning how you mixed the tracks. |
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Post by Quoincidence on Aug 18, 2019 21:11:10 GMT
Mate, while I’ve got the chance may I thank you for remixing the RAOTW album... it was fantastic. Can I ask you...., due to the obvious sub par sound of the original release of the album, were there any doubts at the time from the band or management whether it should’ve been released as it was? It had to be released as it was, other wise they would have had to cut some tracks from the album. Due to the range of frequencies, the grooves would have had to be wider and would have taken up more room on the vinyl discs... so they had to make some sacrifices and the low ends had to be "trimmed" |
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Post by Quoincidence on Aug 18, 2019 21:25:29 GMT
Hi John, I advertised your channel on my Facebook page dedicated to the Frantic Four lineup the other day and saw a huge growth of 100+ members. Onward and upwards to the 2000  Looking forward to the rest of your videos because I've loved watching the others so far, especially the recent Hold You Back videos... great hearing you talk about the other effects you used during the process like the MoTone, or the Mojo as you referred to it. Cheers |
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Post by gav on Aug 18, 2019 21:38:53 GMT
So if you were going to trim this album down to save the low end, and maybe say keep the album more in tune with previous Quo releases and forget the American market....
Let's go with the track listing for the 1977 release:
Hard Time - great song, very Quo - a keeper Can't Give You More - as above - a keeper Let's Ride - also a great track, but very obviously written with the USA in mind - despite being one of my favourite Quo tracks, ditch it Baby Boy - a departure stylistically, but not enough substance to justify it being the oddball track - ditch it You Don't Own Me - almost a hard rock parody, horrible...even Alan says it never quite worked - ditch it Rockers Rollin' - pure Quo - a keeper Rockin' All Over The World - for obvious reasons - a keeper Who Am I - it's a proper Quo number, but lacking something...this one is right on the line, but - ditch it
Too Far Gone - for a little variation, and the inclusion of a Lancaster lead vocal - a keeper, but again, only just For You - the ballad, every album needs one, it's the law, plus it's a Parfitt lead vocal, so for balance sake - a keeper Dirty Water - just a very catchy song - a keeper Hold You Back - more Quo than all the rest, so - a keeper
Here's my running order:
Side 1 Rockin' All Over The World Hold You Back Too Far Gone Hard Time
Side 2 Rockers Rollin' Can't Give You More Dirty Water For You
Dunno if that works!
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Post by blagult on Aug 18, 2019 21:51:17 GMT
The WYW album is only about 4 minutes shorter and the mix on that is perfectly acceptable. No problem with bottom end in my opinion.
I just have never bought this thing about leaving out the bottom end for the Rocking album. For me that album was mixed the way it was for other markets. They wanted the keys more prominent in the mix and the Guitars lower.
Did Pip not tell us from the horses mouth a few years ago that’s the job he was brought in to do and I’m sure Rick mentions it in the interview !
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Post by Quoincidence on Aug 18, 2019 22:01:20 GMT
So if you were going to trim this album down to save the low end, and maybe say keep the album more in tune with previous Quo releases and forget the American market....
Let's go with the track listing for the 1977 release:
Hard Time - great song, very Quo - a keeper Can't Give You More - as above - a keeper Let's Ride - also a great track, but very obviously written with the USA in mind - despite being one of my favourite Quo tracks, ditch it Baby Boy - a departure stylistically, but not enough substance to justify it being the oddball track - ditch it You Don't Own Me - almost a hard rock parody, horrible...even Alan says it never quite worked - ditch it Rockers Rollin' - pure Quo - a keeper Rockin' All Over The World - for obvious reasons - a keeper Who Am I - it's a proper Quo number, but lacking something...this one is right on the line, but - ditch it
Too Far Gone - for a little variation, and the inclusion of a Lancaster lead vocal - a keeper, but again, only just For You - the ballad, every album needs one, it's the law, plus it's a Parfitt lead vocal, so for balance sake - a keeper Dirty Water - just a very catchy song - a keeper Hold You Back - more Quo than all the rest, so - a keeper
Here's my running order:
Side 1 Rockin' All Over The World Hold You Back Too Far Gone Hard Time
Side 2 Rockers Rollin' Can't Give You More Dirty Water For You
Dunno if that works!
I think management wouldn't have gone for an 8 track album as a movement during that time was to put out more songs, which also in turn made it possible to have more singles from the album... more singles = more hits and more hits meant some TV Time on TOTP. I just had a quick look and almost every artist was putting out 12 tracks albums squashed onto 1 vinyl disc [Side A / B]... but you're tracklisting isn't too bad and I'm happy with the tracks you ditched |
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Post by Quoincidence on Aug 18, 2019 22:10:22 GMT
The WYW album is only about 4 minutes shorter and the mix on that is perfectly acceptable. No problem with bottom end in my opinion. I just have never bought this thing about leaving out the bottom end for the Rocking album. For me that album was mixed the way it was for other markets. They wanted the keys more prominent in the mix and the Guitars lower. Did Pip not tell us from the horses mouth a few years ago that’s the job he was brought in to do and I’m sure Rick mentions it in the interview ! Pip was brought in to clean up their sound, but that has no relation to them cutting the low end out of the mix at the time. More tracks were used whilst recording the Rockin' album as things were doubled up to give a wider sound whereas the WYW album was more raw and less tracks were used during the recording process. They used that many tracks on the Rockin' album they had to mix down a stereo recording of Andy's keys down into mono to save on tracks at the time, Rossi's vocals had to be mixed down into one track as they were doubled up also. Guitars were doubled up and John (Eden) doubled up John (Coghlan) snare and bass drum sound. |
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Post by Gaz on Aug 19, 2019 10:29:03 GMT
Mate, while I’ve got the chance may I thank you for remixing the RAOTW album... it was fantastic. Can I ask you...., due to the obvious sub par sound of the original release of the album, were there any doubts at the time from the band or management whether it should’ve been released as it was? It had to be released as it was, other wise they would have had to cut some tracks from the album. Due to the range of frequencies, the grooves would have had to be wider and would have taken up more room on the vinyl discs... so they had to make some sacrifices and the low ends had to be "trimmed" Yes I understand the circumstances but the question I’d like answered was did any people in the Quo camp bring up the fact that the album, to be released, sounded very thin and didn’t represent the Quo as a very loud and heavy band as previous albums... which served as the platform on what Quo was . Was it a case of ‘the king with no clothes’ as in no one dared to raise the question so to speak. As a Quo fan back when it was released, that album was such a disappointment upon listening. ...but the remix, with Alan’s bass back, well, It’s a very good listen, in fact it stands proud along with Quo’s previous classic albums imo. |
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Looking forward to the rest of your videos because I've loved watching the others so far, especially the recent Hold You Back videos... great hearing you talk about the other effects you used during the process like the MoTone, or the Mojo as you referred to it.