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Post by gav on Jul 14, 2018 22:23:22 GMT
Long Legged Linda is a interesting story to because it's obvious that Rick didn't take part of the writing. I don't think a guitar solo is worth credits but a riff that works like a hook do to me. The solo of Whatever you want sounds as a Pip Williams composition to me. I suspect a bit of pulling rank in this case. It's never been a secret that they love the money, and Rick might just have said, 'i want a piece of this action, i'm doing Andy a favour singing one of his songs on a Quo album even though he's not an official member, i'll have a slice, thank you very much!'.. they all (the 3 main guys) seemed a bit bitchy and back-stabbing in their younger days. And even in their later years. Plenty of iffy stories that might support this. I mean, they were hardly PC either. |
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Post by viza on Jul 14, 2018 22:32:00 GMT
Long Legged Linda is a interesting story to because it's obvious that Rick didn't take part of the writing. I don't think a guitar solo is worth credits but a riff that works like a hook do to me. The solo of Whatever you want sounds as a Pip Williams composition to me. I suspect a bit of pulling rank in this case. It's never been a secret that they love the money, and Rick might just have said, 'i want a piece of this action, i'm doing Andy a favour singing one of his songs on a Quo album even though he's not an official member, i'll have a slice, thank you very much!'.. they all (the 3 main guys) seemed a bit *****y and back-stabbing in their younger days. And even in their later years. Plenty of iffy stories that might support this. I mean, they were hardly PC either. But this makes me wonder how much of other Parfitt/Bown composition Rick actually wrote. Did Rick write WYW or is it one of Andy's compositions? |
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Post by curiousgirl on Jul 14, 2018 23:04:49 GMT
I suspect a bit of pulling rank in this case. It's never been a secret that they love the money, and Rick might just have said, 'i want a piece of this action, i'm doing Andy a favour singing one of his songs on a Quo album even though he's not an official member, i'll have a slice, thank you very much!'.. they all (the 3 main guys) seemed a bit *****y and back-stabbing in their younger days. And even in their later years. Plenty of iffy stories that might support this. I mean, they were hardly PC either. But this makes me wonder how much of other Parfitt/Bown composition Rick actually wrote. Did Rick write WYW or is it one of Andy's compositions? In one of the TV docs, either the C4 2001 or the day in the life of Quo that followed, Andy explains how he wrote WYW and went to see his wife and said, 'I think I've cracked it." So very much Andy's composition in terms of tune and lyric, I suspect. That doesn't mean Rick didn't have an input. He's gift seemed to be Quo-ifying tracks, when he didn't write them from scratch. |
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Post by gav on Jul 14, 2018 23:25:18 GMT
I suspect a bit of pulling rank in this case. It's never been a secret that they love the money, and Rick might just have said, 'i want a piece of this action, i'm doing Andy a favour singing one of his songs on a Quo album even though he's not an official member, i'll have a slice, thank you very much!'.. they all (the 3 main guys) seemed a bit *****y and back-stabbing in their younger days. And even in their later years. Plenty of iffy stories that might support this. I mean, they were hardly PC either. But this makes me wonder how much of other Parfitt/Bown composition Rick actually wrote. Did Rick write WYW or is it one of Andy's compositions? I remember on one of the old SQ message boards, someone posted about "Too Close To The Ground" (Parfitt/Bown), saying it was a track from one of Andy's solo albums, re-written. They even provided a link that very much backed this up. I just wish i could remember what track it was, because it sounded very like it. The lyrics had been changed, and it had been simplified from Andy's original, which to my ears sounded a bit all over the place. I don't own any of Andy's solo albums myself, but will try and find it some other way!
You can often spot a song by Andy, the lyrics are usually a bit zany.
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Post by Quoincidence on Jul 15, 2018 0:50:40 GMT
But this makes me wonder how much of other Parfitt/Bown composition Rick actually wrote. Did Rick write WYW or is it one of Andy's compositions? I remember on one of the old SQ message boards, someone posted about "Too Close To The Ground" (Parfitt/Bown), saying it was a track from one of Andy's solo albums, re-written. They even provided a link that very much backed this up. I just wish i could remember what track it was, because it sounded very like it. The lyrics had been changed, and it had been simplified from Andy's original, which to my ears sounded a bit all over the place. I don't own any of Andy's solo albums myself, but will try and find it some other way!
You can often spot a song by Andy, the lyrics are usually a bit zany.
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Post by curiousgirl on Jul 15, 2018 8:46:40 GMT
In general terms, creating anything great is usually a collaborative process. I speak from professional experience about this but in another field. The principal can be applied to song writing also.
It doesn't really matter if the collaborator's input is large or small. One detail changed can make all the difference. The best example here would be Caroline, aRossi/Young song. But didn't Rick give it the Quo feel which took it up a notch? He doesn't get a credit for that but his input was crucial.
Personally, I can't see the point in getting too hung up on these details of who wrote what etc, unless of course its about the money.
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Post by gav on Jul 15, 2018 10:02:10 GMT
I remember on one of the old SQ message boards, someone posted about "Too Close To The Ground" (Parfitt/Bown), saying it was a track from one of Andy's solo albums, re-written. They even provided a link that very much backed this up. I just wish i could remember what track it was, because it sounded very like it. The lyrics had been changed, and it had been simplified from Andy's original, which to my ears sounded a bit all over the place. I don't own any of Andy's solo albums myself, but will try and find it some other way!
You can often spot a song by Andy, the lyrics are usually a bit zany.
This it? No, it's not that one. I'll probably never find it again unless any of the old proboards sites are archived? |
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Post by freewilly on Jul 15, 2018 10:59:33 GMT
Writing credits mean fuck all Tell that to Andy Summers. Sting gets over £300k a year from "Every Breath you Take", but it was Andy's guitar parts that made the song what it was. It's been sampled many times. He gets pretty much feck all from it. Yeah of course. I mean't they mean "fuck all" in terms of it doesn't always mean such and such was solely responsible for the song. Like 4500 Times for example. |
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Jul 15, 2018 11:22:09 GMT
I'm guessing Andy Summers gets the sampling royalties, or it goes into the Recorded Performance royalties bag. He should do.
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Jul 15, 2018 11:28:09 GMT
Long Legged Linda is a interesting story to because it's obvious that Rick didn't take part of the writing. I don't think a guitar solo is worth credits but a riff that works like a hook do to me. The solo of Whatever you want sounds as a Pip Williams composition to me. I suspect a bit of pulling rank in this case. It's never been a secret that they love the money, and Rick might just have said, 'i want a piece of this action, i'm doing Andy a favour singing one of his songs on a Quo album even though he's not an official member, i'll have a slice, thank you very much!'.. they all (the 3 main guys) seemed a bit *****y and back-stabbing in their younger days. And even in their later years. Plenty of iffy stories that might support this. I mean, they were hardly PC either. I hadn't thought of that. I bet that happens quite a bit in bands. The only Quo song I can think of where the riffing absolutely transforms the song is Caroline. And they are the simplest riffs you can imagine, it's how they are played.
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Post by frozenhero on Jul 25, 2018 10:13:26 GMT
I suspect a bit of pulling rank in this case. It's never been a secret that they love the money, and Rick might just have said, 'i want a piece of this action, i'm doing Andy a favour singing one of his songs on a Quo album even though he's not an official member, i'll have a slice, thank you very much!'.. they all (the 3 main guys) seemed a bit *****y and back-stabbing in their younger days. And even in their later years. Plenty of iffy stories that might support this. I mean, they were hardly PC either. But this makes me wonder how much of other Parfitt/Bown composition Rick actually wrote. Did Rick write WYW or is it one of Andy's compositions? I think it's mostly Andy's song, but Rick came up with the intro. Long Legged Linda was rectified on later releases; it's a purely Bown-written song. Either an error on the original LP or deliberately to comfort people that the keyboard player was just a guest and not a full-blown member allowed to contribute solely written songs... |
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