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Post by madturk on Sept 10, 2017 20:13:39 GMT
I downloaded ZZ Top's latest live album.
It's my first purchase of this band. I met Billy Gibbons on the ferry back from Ireland a few weeks ago so this sparked an interest in the band.
It's a great album 😎
What struck me was the drumming of Frank Beard. Solid, basic. Not a patch on John Coghlan. JCs drumming on the Live! Album was top notch.
Yet look at the differing fortunes of these two guys.
FB is supposedly worth $50million.
JC had a very welcome boost to the income from the reunion tours. Now it's back to pubs and clubs.
Showbiz success is just down to luck.
££££££££££££££ or £
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Post by markquo on Sept 10, 2017 20:27:34 GMT
Check out FB on some of the early releases Fandango,Tres Hombres.Some fantastic drumming on there I'd say JC was more straight ahead than FB
Cheers
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Sept 11, 2017 9:29:26 GMT
There's a helluva lot of luck in the music biz, particularly for rhythm sections as they rarely have "face of the band" status to help carry them through, and drummers in particular are rarely songwriters, which provides a lot of the income.
Look at Pete Kircher. Perfectly good drummer, but they never called him back. One moment he's in a name band, doing a good job; next moment he's back to signwriting. Hi Pete if anyone there knows him, you were in my first Quo band, you did a good job. Ta mate. And give my regards to Epping Forest if you are still round there.
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Post by Victor on Sept 11, 2017 11:54:26 GMT
There's a helluva lot of luck in the music biz, particularly for rhythm sections as they rarely have "face of the band" status to help carry them through, and drummers in particular are rarely songwriters, which provides a lot of the income. Look at Pete Kircher. Perfectly good drummer, but they never called him back. One moment he's in a name band, doing a good job; next moment he's back to signwriting. Hi Pete if anyone there knows him, you were in my first Quo band, you did a good job. Ta mate. And give my regards to Epping Forest if you are still round there. For me Pete was the best drummer after John. Especially live he was damn good |
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Post by paradiseflats on Sept 11, 2017 12:23:23 GMT
Being big in the States is the reason. Quo never were. And in truth more consistent than Quo and more genuine. You don't hear Billy saying the Blues is crap or the music they made 40 years ago is crap. |
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Post by madturk on Sept 11, 2017 18:30:48 GMT
I've read some jokes online about ZZ Top.
...the drummer only has to learn one drum beat...
You only need to buy one album from them because all the albums are the same...
So the American public certainly has an appetite for no nonsense boogie.
Quo didn't get lucky in America.
Maybe ZZ Top had already cornered that market so there was no room for Quo.
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Post by dontthinkitmatters on Sept 16, 2017 19:48:47 GMT
Same three fellas...Rumour spreadin' 'round In that Texas town.....Have mercy A haw, haw, haw, haw, a haw . A haw, haw, haw Even my young 'un likes a bit of Top! Class
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Post by fredbloggs on Sept 17, 2017 7:33:28 GMT
Yet look at the differing fortunes of these two guys. FB is supposedly worth $50million. JC had a very welcome boost to the income from the reunion tours. Now it's back to pubs and clubs. Showbiz success is just down to luck. ££££££££££££££ or £ Both equally great, IMHO. I would pick up on this point about ££££ being down to luck though.... He had the luck of being in the right place at the right time to meet FR/AL, that's plenty of luck. As for ££'s, far from being luck, JC would probably be a lot better off if: a) the band had better financial and legal (rights) advisers throughout their career b) JC had better been able to handle the pressures - or the management had been better able to handle the pressures he was under - that led to him walking out. As has been said, a 6 week break probably would have sorted things. Whilst these things are easy to say with hindsight, they are far bigger factors than luck. |
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Post by ant on Sept 17, 2017 8:17:47 GMT
You don't get a 30/40/50 year career at the top by being lucky.
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Post by kachunk on Sept 17, 2017 11:47:36 GMT
Yet look at the differing fortunes of these two guys. FB is supposedly worth $50million. JC had a very welcome boost to the income from the reunion tours. Now it's back to pubs and clubs. Showbiz success is just down to luck. ££££££££££££££ or £ Both equally great, IMHO. I would pick up on this point about ££££ being down to luck though.... He had the luck of being in the right place at the right time to meet FR/AL, that's plenty of luck. As for ££'s, far from being luck, JC would probably be a lot better off if: a) the band had better financial and legal (rights) advisers throughout their career b) JC had better been able to handle the pressures - or the management had been better able to handle the pressures he was under - that led to him walking out. As has been said, a 6 week break probably would have sorted things. Whilst these things are easy to say with hindsight, they are far bigger factors than luck. I have never believed the "they needed a break" line,even when John Coghlan says it. Quo did not play a single concert between July 79 and March 81.John himself said in 1981,I think on TISWAS,that he was putting on too much weight and needed to get back out on the road. I think that there were other factors,maybe very personal ones,that various parties within the line up and management/infrastructure have never publicly addressed,except with non specific "drugs were rife/musical differences" type reasons. |
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Post by dennis on Oct 9, 2017 16:08:06 GMT
Both equally great, IMHO. I would pick up on this point about ££££ being down to luck though.... He had the luck of being in the right place at the right time to meet FR/AL, that's plenty of luck. As for ££'s, far from being luck, JC would probably be a lot better off if: a) the band had better financial and legal (rights) advisers throughout their career b) JC had better been able to handle the pressures - or the management had been better able to handle the pressures he was under - that led to him walking out. As has been said, a 6 week break probably would have sorted things. Whilst these things are easy to say with hindsight, they are far bigger factors than luck. I have never believed the "they needed a break" line,even when John Coghlan says it. Quo did not play a single concert between July 79 and March 81.John himself said in 1981,I think on TISWAS,that he was putting on too much weight and needed to get back out on the road. I think that there were other factors,maybe very personal ones,that various parties within the line up and management/infrastructure have never publicly addressed,except with non specific "drugs were rife/musical differences" type reasons. They needed proper management - that way they may have managed to stay together, & not get ripped off. Like so many artists, Quo were the performing animals - making others rich. |
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