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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 19:16:44 GMT
So you would support persisting with karaoke instead then on the basis of the priority cash cow?
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Post by aliquod on Aug 10, 2017 20:39:24 GMT
Sometimes the reality confronts us with facts we don't need to appreciate but we cannot ignore. So whether I understand it or not, I have to realize that a lot of people still like Status Quo in any line-up and even without Rick - as long as they can chant with party songs like RAOTW or ITAN. I had to accept that Francis talks contemptuously about the original Quo music and FF band members. And since Christmas Eve I have to accept that another FF reunion is no longer only improbable but now impossible. Personally, I try to deal with this disillusioning insight by schizophrenia: I will always enjoy listening to my real Quo music on records, and I try to be happy about Quo's ongoing success with current members and gigs.
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Post by MrWaistcoat on Aug 10, 2017 21:03:40 GMT
Just how unique was Quo's 70's fanbase?
I really got into music during the NWOBHM era. There were loads of fans of that scene - with Quo style patches on denims and leathers. But most had patches of many bands, often including Quo
It's not often you'd see a denim jacket devoted to just one band. If you did, it was more than likely a Quo fan
Not everyone likes the term "Quo Army", but it seems right to me that the denim hordes got given a name. I'm a little too young to have felt part of the 70's fan base , but from where I'm looking, it was uniquely dedicated , loyal and passionate .
And at the expense of drifting off topic.....you'd think all the original band members would be massively proud, wouldn't you ?
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Post by aliquod on Aug 10, 2017 21:21:29 GMT
Quo music came into my life in 1972, and I visited my first Quo concert by the end of the 70's. You are right, you will hardly find a band with more loyal and dedicated fans than Status Quo. For this reason it hurts that of all people one of the band heroes turns out to be so illoyal. I admit that my reaction is somewhat cynical - Francis shall just play a role as an actor to make me (and maybe also himself?) forget about his pretence during a performance.
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Post by gav on Aug 10, 2017 21:42:51 GMT
Imagine if they hadn't owed Phonogram those last few albums back in the mid 80's....
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Post by Railroad17 on Aug 10, 2017 21:49:19 GMT
Two quotes from two publications who did not approve of Status Quo
"Either the worst band in the world or the true progenitors of punk rock" NME "For an hour they are the greatest live band in the World" MM
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Post by Railroad17 on Aug 10, 2017 21:51:16 GMT
Quo music came into my life in 1972, and I visited my first Quo concert by the end of the 70's. You are right, you will hardly find a band with more loyal and dedicated fans than Status Quo. For this reason it hurts that of all people one of the band heroes turns out to be so illoyal. I admit that my reaction is somewhat cynical - Francis shall just play a role as an actor to make me (and maybe also himself?) forget about his pretence during a performance. Don't worry about it.All that Rossi denial is bollocks,he loved it!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2017 8:21:21 GMT
Sometimes the reality confronts us with facts we don't need to appreciate but we cannot ignore. So whether I understand it or not, I have to realize that a lot of people still like Status Quo in any line-up and even without Rick - as long as they can chant with party songs like RAOTW or ITAN. I had to accept that Francis talks contemptuously about the original Quo music and FF band members. And since Christmas Eve I have to accept that another FF reunion is no longer only improbable but now impossible. Personally, I try to deal with this disillusioning insight by schizophrenia: I will always enjoy listening to my real Quo music on records, and I try to be happy about Quo's ongoing success with current members and gigs. Yes true, though I think that acceptance of reality includes looking at what they could still do based on the fact that Francis states quite openly that they have fresh energy to use to keep them going longer. If they used that time by doing something 'radical' like writing fresh new material and then touring that, they would at least finish on a creative basis and have made something in their own names.
I think that even if the 'product' was not to my taste, I would still highly credit them for at least thinking beyond the karaoke box and trying something new for a change. Infinitely better than re-cycling what has already been ridiculously re-constituted with insignificant window dressing barely tinkering with the same mundane and soulless set tour in, tour out, year in and year out.
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Post by jukin on Aug 11, 2017 12:53:21 GMT
Francis reckon's this Quo is the best of all of them. So then, why does the post '84 albums have the full band only three times on their album covers - Ain't Complaining, Don't Stop and Heavy Traffic. No where to be seen on any other of their albums, just Rossi and Rick. Probably management or record company demands but still, if the lads are genuine band members and not just hired hands then it's a bit of a liberty not having them on their album covers.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2017 15:50:21 GMT
Just how unique was Quo's 70's fanbase? I really got into music during the NWOBHM era. There were loads of fans of that scene - with Quo style patches on denims and leathers. But most had patches of many bands, often including Quo It's not often you'd see a denim jacket devoted to just one band. If you did, it was more than likely a Quo fan Not everyone likes the term "Quo Army", but it seems right to me that the denim hordes got given a name. I'm a little too young to have felt part of the 70's fan base , but from where I'm looking, it was uniquely dedicated , loyal and passionate . And at the expense of drifting off topic.....you'd think all the original band members would be massively proud, wouldn't you ? Missed this post.
It was completely unique. I couldn't have become such a big fan at such a peak time otherwise.
But it was also unique to me because in many ways I wouldn't have fitted the typical demographic of an FF fan. I had/still have a lot of assorted denim, but then the universality of denim meant that as a late teen/early twenties I could also wear the same jeans and a jeans top or jacket to a disco where completely different music was played and quite different people would be. I didn't identify as being a denim horde in the sense of being into the same group of other bands as quite a lot of FF fans would have been (still are). Though saying that, there was a lot of other rock music I also really liked back then. Because they were college and then early starting work days, I had groups of friends who liked different social settings, but felt a complete part of each one. The variety made them great days - with Quo at the top of the pile.
None of that variety stopped me feeling every bit a part of the 'Quo army' at the gigs themselves. But then I guess the audiences were starting to change back then in the late 70's to a wider appeal of which I would have been one of the first (without knowing it at the time). That is even though my own foundation of being a fan was still built the same as all other fans at that time on the catalogue from the beginning to the mid 70's.
I consider this widening of appeal part of the fantastic achievement. The problem is though that the foundations of the past in terms of the actual FF didn't sustain, while the widening appeal carried on apace with the changing of the times hat carried on after they finished.
What most fans would wish is that the FF hadn't imploded but carried on managing to widen their appeal and conquered some of TVQ's 'global markets' Without that implosion, who knows? - Mr Rossi, despite always wanting to be an Everly Brother, might not be as desensitised to it all as he is today and see it as much more of the fantastic achievement that most all the rest of us do.
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Aug 11, 2017 22:41:13 GMT
Maybe it wasn't a fantastic achievement, maybe they just did stuff and it sounded nice ...
But no. It was a fantastic achievement. They wrote most of their own stuff, picked out other good stuff, did their own production, gigged very hard and took it seriously and always gave *110%. It was a fantastic achievement.
(Today on Skype a friend remarked in passing that she'd been to see JCQ this week. They like Quo, they are not nut hardcore fans, but they are old followers and they like Quo music, seeing Spud is part of that. There are lots of old fans like that out there who don't consider themselves hardcore, but were part of the regular audience in the day. Now and then I meet serious fans from way back who stopped going long before the catastrophes of the early 80s, just for life-reasons, but still remember them with love.)
*I've never worked out what the 10% was, but whatever it was, they had it.
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Post by MrWaistcoat on Aug 14, 2017 15:39:41 GMT
"The glory years"
No band can have them without fans.
Quo fans have gave the FF countless amazing times. For what it's worth I think Alan and John have always been very aware of this. I think a lot came back to Rick during the reunions. As for Francis.....I contInue to find him impossible to understand
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Post by paradiseflats on Aug 14, 2017 15:45:40 GMT
"The glory years" No band can have them without fans. Quo fans have gave the FF countless amazing times. For what it's worth I think Alan and John have always been very aware of this. I think a lot came back to Rick during the reunions. As for Francis.....I contInue to find him impossible to understand I think I understand him. He wanted creative control of Status Quo. By '86 his takeover was complete. He has steered the ship if at times led by management. Which is odd as a self confessed control freak. But here he is on the brink of the 30th anniversary of his coup. And so the majority of of his career is dismissed by most people as simply well below the standard of their earlier work. He can't accept this. Yet he is a prisoner of his past. It's a lovely prison and he's paid well to stay in it. But for him there is no escape. So he has to run down what came before, to justify what happened and has continued to happen since.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 16:10:47 GMT
"The glory years" No band can have them without fans. Quo fans have gave the FF countless amazing times. For what it's worth I think Alan and John have always been very aware of this. I think a lot came back to Rick during the reunions. As for Francis.....I contInue to find him impossible to understand I think I understand him. He wanted creative control of Status Quo. By '86 his takeover was complete. He has steered the ship if at times led by management. Which is odd as a self confessed control freak. But here he is on the brink of the 30th anniversary of his coup. And so the majority of of his career is dismissed by most people as simply well below the standard of their earlier work. He can't accept this. Yet he is a prisoner of his past. It's a lovely prison and he's paid well to stay in it. But for him there is no escape. So he has to run down what came before, to justify what happened and has continued to happen since. But how long can we all who have this opinion, and there are many with the opinion, carry on repeating this type of view in our different ways? It doesn't change what has happened and what is now, and won't ever either.
But there is only no escape from being a prisoner as long as other options, that are out there, are closed down by Francis and management and fans accept this as a fate accomplit.
Is it really a lovely prison anyway? The prison isn't a sustainably run one - the choice will be forced on him/them to either carry on into a cul de sac and retire with no option to continue (if he/they wanted to) based on no contingency made to do something different, or, he/they could give themselves options to continue beyond the 'use by' date of LNOTE/Aquostic with something new and innovative.
They still could make the choice to call it a day at any given time in the future, but at least created another dimension to follow up if they want to carry on - that would not only offer potential late day credibility but also add a final flourish to the career CV.
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Post by paradiseflats on Aug 14, 2017 16:21:52 GMT
I think I understand him. He wanted creative control of Status Quo. By '86 his takeover was complete. He has steered the ship if at times led by management. Which is odd as a self confessed control freak. But here he is on the brink of the 30th anniversary of his coup. And so the majority of of his career is dismissed by most people as simply well below the standard of their earlier work. He can't accept this. Yet he is a prisoner of his past. It's a lovely prison and he's paid well to stay in it. But for him there is no escape. So he has to run down what came before, to justify what happened and has continued to happen since. But how long can we all who have this opinion, and there are many with the opinion, carry on repeating this type of view in our different ways? It doesn't change what has happened and what is now, and won't ever either.
But there is only no escape from being a prisoner as long as other options, that are out there, are closed down by Francis and management and fans accept this as a fate accomplit.
Is it really a lovely prison anyway? The prison isn't a sustainably run one - the choice will be forced on him/them to either carry on into a cul de sac and retire with no option to continue (if he/they wanted to) based on no contingency made to do something different, or, he/they could give themselves options to continue beyond the 'use by' date of LNOTE/Aquostic with something new and innovative.
They still could make the choice to call it a day at any given time in the future, but at least created another dimension to follow up if they want to carry on - that would not only offer potential late day credibility but also add a final flourish to the career CV.
I suppose the difference is I don't think they will write an album I will be remotely interested in. They have written less than half a dozen songs that I like in 30 years. Not one I would say I love. So although I appreciate your point. I can get other music that is new from much better bands to me today.
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