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Post by MrWaistcoat on Aug 9, 2017 12:23:11 GMT
It may pain the fan base that Quo have done so much to write themselves out of rock history. But lack of recognition doesn't change what the band delivered.
The bands management will tell us it's about the number of appearances on TOTP, "units" sold, gigs played, awards , anniversaries and milestones.
But no, Quo delivered something culturally far more important than any of these things.
The excitement of Quo records and the live experience created something as rare as it is remarkable. They created devotion. An army of fanatical supporters. Thousands and thousands of people would sew Quo patches into denims and wear them every day. They would queue for hours (even overnight) for tickets. They shook with excitement when a new single was coming out. They ran home from the record shop with the new releases as soon as they came out.
So why was all this a remarkable achievement?
Because there is nothing remotely like it today. Perhaps controversially, I would argue that this is because there is nothing remotely as good today. There was a time when it was impossible to visit any town or city centre without seeing one or more openly proud Quo addict. Quo delivered much more than its management understand - they very much influenced and were a part of British culture. That Piledriver cover....the bands image culturally influenced the fashions of the time, both in and out of music. Quo's stage movement as well as image influenced countless UK bands , especially early 80's metal.
This generation of music isn't inspiring anything like the serious following and devotion that built up around Quo. Why? Because Quo's best music was incredibly enjoyable, powerful and unique. The live experience was something else, a collective experience of euphoria , energy and power
So no, the impact of Quo doesn't get recognition. But we know it happened...we were there, we felt it and we had some seriously enjoyable , exciting times.
It was truly remarkable. And nothing anyone can say and nothing the band can do now can take any of it away.
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Post by vivfromcov on Aug 9, 2017 12:44:00 GMT
And you try telling the young people of today that! They won't believe you....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 17:59:22 GMT
Hi All, I think the trouble with todays music is the bands and artists are fads, then the next one comes along because their fans get bored so easy plus it's all manufactured music no real talent around apart from a few. Most of all the money men are well and truly in control moving from one cash generator to the next and so on sadly, just dumping the has-beens by the weigh side like emptying cigarette trays out of car windows.
A lot of fans are just to eager for the next big thing not investing in a band like so many have before them, whether this is all down to how they obtain their music to listen to I don't know but I would suggest it has an effect to be sure.
Geoff.
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Aug 9, 2017 22:17:34 GMT
Quo like many of the other great bands of the 60s/70s/80s. Will forever be a band that is collected, by that I mean if you have say a Wand Erection CD and you want to sell it you may get 20p for it sometime in the future. Quo's music will hold it's money and someone will always be out there who wants to buy it. I have sold many a unwanted collection on EBay and got a few quid for it. While no-one wants to buy albums from the throwaway artists of the late 90s and 00s. You go into any charity shop and you will see row after row of Simon Cowell rejects amongst the CD collections.
You won't see The Beatles, Stones, Floyd amongst them even with the Quo you may only see a few of the pye compilations. There won't be a Live, Hello or Piledriver in there. Though their may be the odd one in the LP sections, if the store stocks them as many don't these days.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 2:08:12 GMT
It may pain the fan base that Quo have done so much to write themselves out of rock history. But lack of recognition doesn't change what the band delivered. No, but what Quo have delivered - in the last 30+ years at least - doesn't deserve recognition. IMO. What keeps the b(r)and going are the songs of the 70s, which are strangely dismissed as nostalgia if mentioned in conjunction with the FF. But in relation to the current lineup they're somehow NOT nostalgia. The constant need for Francis to talk down the thing which causes him to be able to live the life he does and be at all relevant today is not only disgustingly two-faced from him but is what gets on fans' nerves more than any supposed success of CQ. Quo may have continued to sell records over the years but this has been at the expense of slagging off and disrespecting everything else that has come before it. Finally, it would be interesting to know how long Francis has held the view that Quo release product and not music. It would certainly put a different slant on the "here for the fans" line that the band have peddled for so long. A revelation like the aforementioned leaves a bad taste in the mouth for many fans because it shows how flippant and uncaring the band are when it comes to someone deciding not to give them money that's not even theirs anyway, and particularly when the band expect people to buy product in future.
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Post by Victor on Aug 10, 2017 7:34:22 GMT
Hi All, I think the trouble with todays music is the bands and artists are fads then the next one comes along because their fans get bored so easy plus it's all manufactured music no real talent around apart from a few but most of all the money men are well and truly in control moving from one cash generator to the next and so on sadly, just dumping the has-beens by the weigh side like emptying cigarette trays out of car windows.
A lot of fans are just to eager for the next big thing not investing in a band like so many have before them, whether this is all down to how they obtain their music to listen to I don't know but I would suggest it has an effect to be sure.
Geoff. That is a very crucial thing about quite a lot of nowadays' "music"
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 8:40:11 GMT
It may pain the fan base that Quo have done so much to write themselves out of rock history. But lack of recognition doesn't change what the band delivered. No, but what Quo have delivered - in the last 30+ years at least - doesn't deserve recognition. IMO. The rest of your post has been discussed at length in a variety of other threads, but I think this particular sentence takes things a bit far. Its an individuals view as to the quality of the music of the last 30 yrs, but there are many, myself included, who have enjoyed a fair amount of the catalogue and taking things in the round I think its unfair to suggest they don't deserve recognition for that, at the least.
The more modern day Quo may have wasted that catalogue on copying too much 70's material, and in that way reducing both the value of that original music, and also their own potential and credibility to an increasing degree as well, but the biggest negative for me is frustration in how they could have articulated themselves in their own right by owning in live performances the best parts of 30 yrs of their own catalogue and lessened the inevitable comparisons with an era that set a precedent that was pretty much impossible to beat.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 17:06:59 GMT
No, but what Quo have delivered - in the last 30+ years at least - doesn't deserve recognition. IMO. The rest of your post has been discussed at length in a variety of other threads, but I think this particular sentence takes things a bit far. Its an individuals view as to the quality of the music of the last 30 yrs, but there are many, myself included, who have enjoyed a fair amount of the catalogue and taking things in the round I think its unfair to suggest they don't deserve recognition for that, at the least. I'm not talking quality of music. It's about the 30+ years of dismissal of everything before - except when it has suited them (money, obviously) - and the constant negative attitude towards the FF. I'll admit that Quo have recorded some good songs and sold millions of records since 1986 but it means nothing (IMO) when the supposed main man of the band has come out and said what he has. If he (or anyone else) doesn't think it's right for the band to get no recognition for 30+ years of work... tough. He (or they) obviously don't know the concept of respect for people, dead or otherwise. Personally, I don't think a simple boycott on the back of "don't like, don't buy it" (as is constantly churned out) is enough for what has gone on.
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Post by freewilly on Aug 10, 2017 17:18:10 GMT
Status Quo's legacy is built on the work of Rossi, Parfitt, Lancaster and Coghlan...
Rossi dismisses it as shit, says this line up are the best....How can you give them recognition and respect when the likes of Leon, Rhino and Malone are living off a legacy that, 1.) They had nowt to do with and 2.) Has been branded as shite by their boss.
It is that simple!
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Post by paradiseflats on Aug 10, 2017 17:22:50 GMT
Status Quo's legacy is built on the work of Rossi, Parfitt, Lancaster and Coghlan... Rossi dismisses it as shit, says this line up are the best....How can you give them recognition and respect when the likes of Leon, Rhino and Malone are living off a legacy that, 1.) They had nowt to do with and 2.) Has been branded as shite by their boss. It is that simple! Nor does Andy.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 17:28:09 GMT
The rest of your post has been discussed at length in a variety of other threads, but I think this particular sentence takes things a bit far. Its an individuals view as to the quality of the music of the last 30 yrs, but there are many, myself included, who have enjoyed a fair amount of the catalogue and taking things in the round I think its unfair to suggest they don't deserve recognition for that, at the least. I'm not talking quality of music. It's about the 30+ years of dismissal of everything before - except when it has suited them (money, obviously) - and the constant negative attitude towards the FF. I'll admit that Quo have recorded some good songs and sold millions of records since 1986 but it means nothing (IMO) when the supposed main man of the band has come out and said what he has. If he (or anyone else) doesn't think it's right for the band to get no recognition for 30+ years of work... tough. He (or they) obviously don't know the concept of respect for people, dead or otherwise. Personally, I don't think a simple boycott on the back of "don't like, don't buy it" (as is constantly churned out) is enough for what has gone on. I agree in the context of the ridiculous and nonsensical things Francis has said of late about the legacy of the music that made him and his band once famous and the absurd dismissal of the obvious blues influences of that music.
In the absence of being able to hear anything that adds up or makes sense from the guy, I am simply going off what Francis played solo a few years back as a representation of what he still likes in Quo's music. I happen to like a large amount of that as well.
The thing is however, given a chance he will probably at some stage in the foreseeable future come out and even rubbish that also...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 17:41:36 GMT
Status Quo's legacy is built on the work of Rossi, Parfitt, Lancaster and Coghlan... Rossi dismisses it as shit, says this line up are the best....How can you give them recognition and respect when the likes of Leon, Rhino and Malone are living off a legacy that, 1.) They had nowt to do with and 2.) Has been branded as shite by their boss. It is that simple! You'd think that Francis band mates would aspire to greater things than the lame Status Quo karaoke that the band leader and his manager loves parodying for some quick cash. They are all capable of it.
The excuse about getting too old is well out of the window - as Francis relishes mentioning in terms of the third wind he feels they now have. That is, putting aside for purposes of this topic what it appears to imply about Rick.
If they are truly are collectively fit for a few more years then why not go out inspirationally in a way that puts them in their own right on the map?
Thought police will probably reprimand me for not appearing to take into account the fact that Francis is free to do what he likes, but if he feels the band has extra legs then he should be setting his sights much much higher . For me that is one of the biggest disappointments in him of all.
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Post by paradiseflats on Aug 10, 2017 17:55:12 GMT
Status Quo's legacy is built on the work of Rossi, Parfitt, Lancaster and Coghlan... Rossi dismisses it as shit, says this line up are the best....How can you give them recognition and respect when the likes of Leon, Rhino and Malone are living off a legacy that, 1.) They had nowt to do with and 2.) Has been branded as shite by their boss. It is that simple! You'd think that Francis band mates would aspire to greater things than the lame Status Quo karaoke that the band leader and his manager loves parodying for some quick cash. They are all capable of it.
The excuse about getting too old is well out of the window - as Francis relishes mentioning in terms of the third wind he feels they now have. That is, putting aside for purposes of this topic what it appears to imply about Rick.
If they are truly are collectively fit for a few more years then why not go out inspirationally in a way that puts them in their own right on the map?
Thought police will probably reprimand me for not appearing to take into account the fact that Francis is free to do what he likes, but if he feels the band has extra legs then he should be setting his sights much much higher . For me that is one of the biggest disappointments in him of all.
You know what I agree he is free to do whatever he likes. If they record again, he will say he was against the idea but likes it now. Well if they try to rely on their recorded output. They don't have a set as the band as is have never recorded in the studio. So how far back do they go. Bob and Francis clearly plan on writing so new music is in the pipeline. They'll play a couple of new songs to complete apathy then return to the current set. He betrayed his legacy along with Rick in 1985. No change since. On a side note. Francis should get the band to record the album he has always wanted from the band. Let's face it. The same people will buy it whatever the quality.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 18:43:49 GMT
You'd think that Francis band mates would aspire to greater things than the lame Status Quo karaoke that the band leader and his manager loves parodying for some quick cash. They are all capable of it.
The excuse about getting too old is well out of the window - as Francis relishes mentioning in terms of the third wind he feels they now have. That is, putting aside for purposes of this topic what it appears to imply about Rick.
If they are truly are collectively fit for a few more years then why not go out inspirationally in a way that puts them in their own right on the map?
Thought police will probably reprimand me for not appearing to take into account the fact that Francis is free to do what he likes, but if he feels the band has extra legs then he should be setting his sights much much higher . For me that is one of the biggest disappointments in him of all.
You know what I agree he is free to do whatever he likes. If they record again, he will say he was against the idea but likes it now. Well if they try to rely on their recorded output. They don't have a set as the band as is have never recorded in the studio. So how far back do they go. Bob and Francis clearly plan on writing so new music is in the pipeline. They'll play a couple of new songs to complete apathy then return to the current set. He betrayed his legacy along with Rick in 1985. No change since. On a side note. Francis should get the band to record the album he has always wanted from the band. Let's face it. The same people will buy it whatever the quality. They should be doing a new album and touring it. Nothing more or less than that. They could always still stuff RAOTW on the end for an encore to keep the once a year boppers happy
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Post by paradiseflats on Aug 10, 2017 18:45:53 GMT
You know what I agree he is free to do whatever he likes. If they record again, he will say he was against the idea but likes it now. Well if they try to rely on their recorded output. They don't have a set as the band as is have never recorded in the studio. So how far back do they go. Bob and Francis clearly plan on writing so new music is in the pipeline. They'll play a couple of new songs to complete apathy then return to the current set. He betrayed his legacy along with Rick in 1985. No change since. On a side note. Francis should get the band to record the album he has always wanted from the band. Let's face it. The same people will buy it whatever the quality. They should be doing a new album and touring it. Nothing more or less than that. They could always still stuff RAOTW on the end for an encore to keep the once a year boppers happy I don't think they should as most people wouldn't have heard it and wouldn't buy it.
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