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Post by Railroad17 on Aug 8, 2017 5:38:45 GMT
Rossi would never had done it.The reunion gigs were an absolute ordeal for him.
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Post by Railroad17 on Aug 8, 2017 16:27:42 GMT
Rossi would never had done it.The reunion gigs were an absolute ordeal for him. Aye, I expect you are right. It is a tragedy that he is unable to use his genuine talent. Like being the world's greatest trapeze artist and then developing a fear of heights. I actually think the beard thing in 2014 was a sort of "I'll shave when this is over" thing,he's in therapy. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2017 17:26:43 GMT
Hi All, What I can't get my head around is the fact that during all the gigs on the stage to the audience he was fawning over how he was glad to be back with the two of them especially Alan. Yet some of the stuff coming from 'Rick' about how he distanced himself from the other three after those gigs is what made me turn, finally realising and shaking my head in disbelief as what many had said on the forum being true.
It would have been nice if he could have just been honest in the first place and not done both reunion tours. Pretending everything was playing out to what the fans saw in those gigs it makes him look the fake he is. He has lost any shred of credibility with me now and many 'FF' fans by following the corporate line and I think only did those reunion gigs to further 'CQ' i.e Yes this what we were but we are now this... 
As for locking them in a room together like you said if 'Francis' had truly been enjoying the whole reunion experience then yes I agree they would have possibly knocked together a decent track. Other than that though it would have been a good job all the kit was old and basic as parts would shoved in certain members orifices, such a shame like Carl said " Too late now sadly"....... 
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Aug 8, 2017 20:33:42 GMT
Rossi would never had done it.The reunion gigs were an absolute ordeal for him. Aye, I expect you are right. It is a tragedy that he is unable to use his genuine talent. Like being the world's greatest trapeze artist and then developing a fear of heights. I've been suggesting they should do something like that for ages. Including pushing chips under the door and not letting them out until something was in the can. Once long ago I believed it was an experiment they should really do. Now I know full well nothing like that will ever happen. It's more than that, it's like the WGTA not only developing a fear of heights, but working hard on his ballet steps and saying that made him a better artist. (While not actually doing any trapezing.) |
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Post by jaynieeee on Aug 8, 2017 21:57:01 GMT
Hi All, What I can't get my head around is the fact that during all the gigs on the stage to the audience he was fawning over how he was glad to be back with the two of them especially Alan. Yet some of the stuff coming from 'Rick' about how he distanced himself from the other three after those gigs is what made me turn, finally realising and shaking my head in disbelief as what many had said on the forum being true.
It would have been nice if he could have just been honest in the first place and not done both reunion tours. Pretending everything was playing out to what the fans saw in those gigs it makes him look the fake he is. He has lost any shred of credibility with me now and many 'FF' fans by following the corporate line and I think only did those reunion gigs to further 'CQ' i.e Yes this what we were but we are now this...
As for locking them in a room together like you said if 'Francis' had truly been enjoying the whole reunion experience then yes I agree they would have possibly knocked together a decent track. Other than that though it would have been a good job all the kit was old and basic as parts would shoved in certain members orifices, such a shame like Carl said " Too late now sadly".......
Geoff. From what I understood FR didn't to the initial FF tour, what changed his mind? Possibly the phone conversation with Alan (thinking maybe it could work), would the proceeds have helped some of the other FF? What I did see, especially when I was upstairs at the Hammersmith, was someone who was enjoying being on the stage - was it playing with his old mates? Playing the old songs, as they had all those years ago. The vibe he was getting from the audience? A mix of all that and he just enjoyed the experience? I could understand the no more tours, there was the 3 other members of the current Quo to think about, but - I did think there could have been a few new songs/album. So what happened? Concern over Alan's health? At times, I sometimes thought if someone gently pushed him with one finger he'd fall over. FR had enough concerns about RP's health on tours could he manage Alan's as well? Then recently, there has been some things said that made a bit more sense. RP's (harder) drinking on FF tours, FR likely knew where that would likely lead and it likely brought back memories (demons) from the past (his own & what happened between the members of FF) that he didn't want to deal with again. Closing the box/shutting the door on that part of Quo likely made sense - self preservation? How many of us deal with things we don't like/ don't want deal with/don't want to face by putting them by "locking them in a box" and leaving them there and getting on with life? I don't think he is bitter or twisted. Insecure? Yes, and I don't mean financially but in himself and possibly in his own ability. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 9:39:09 GMT
Hi All, What I can't get my head around is the fact that during all the gigs on the stage to the audience he was fawning over how he was glad to be back with the two of them especially Alan. Yet some of the stuff coming from 'Rick' about how he distanced himself from the other three after those gigs is what made me turn, finally realising and shaking my head in disbelief as what many had said on the forum being true.
It would have been nice if he could have just been honest in the first place and not done both reunion tours. Pretending everything was playing out to what the fans saw in those gigs it makes him look the fake he is. He has lost any shred of credibility with me now and many 'FF' fans by following the corporate line and I think only did those reunion gigs to further 'CQ' i.e Yes this what we were but we are now this...
As for locking them in a room together like you said if 'Francis' had truly been enjoying the whole reunion experience then yes I agree they would have possibly knocked together a decent track. Other than that though it would have been a good job all the kit was old and basic as parts would shoved in certain members orifices, such a shame like Carl said " Too late now sadly".......
Geoff. From what I understood FR didn't to the initial FF tour, what changed his mind? Possibly the phone conversation with Alan (thinking maybe it could work), would the proceeds have helped some of the other FF? What I did see, especially when I was upstairs at the Hammersmith, was someone who was enjoying being on the stage - was it playing with his old mates? Playing the old songs, as they had all those years ago. The vibe he was getting from the audience? A mix of all that and he just enjoyed the experience? I could understand the no more tours, there was the 3 other members of the current Quo to think about, but - I did think there could have been a few new songs/album. So what happened? Concern over Alan's health? At times, I sometimes thought if someone gently pushed him with one finger he'd fall over. FR had enough concerns about RP's health on tours could he manage Alan's as well? Then recently, there has been some things said that made a bit more sense. RP's (harder) drinking on FF tours, FR likely knew where that would likely lead and it likely brought back memories (demons) from the past (his own & what happened between the members of FF) that he didn't want to deal with again. Closing the box/shutting the door on that part of Quo likely made sense - self preservation? How many of us deal with things we don't like/ don't want deal with/don't want to face by putting them by "locking them in a box" and leaving them there and getting on with life? I don't think he is bitter or twisted. Insecure? Yes, and I don't mean financially but in himself and possibly in his own ability. For all the justifiable criticisms, I think this is a fair way of looking at it. It does make sense to want to close a chapter than risk letting old demons out of a box once more.
Maybe he could have articulated this reasoning much better to help offset a much less favourable impression he has given instead.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 17:18:09 GMT
Hi All, jaynieeee @catlady I can see the points you raise and agree with them to an extent especially concerning health issues nobody would want to put anyone's health at risk. My problem comes with his comments in the interviews and his seemingly wanting to be separate from those he appeared to be enjoying himself while on the stage with at the time and I think that's what confuses/maddens/pisses off not just me but some others also.
When I saw them at the 'Wolves Civic Centre' in 2013 I was over the moon and had a great evening seeing the 'FF' for the very first time what a memory. You can imagine my surprise when all the odd comments came from him and Rick(rip) in interviews and articles written in which he is quoted it all seemed a bit false. I just couldn't get my head around the fact he was telling everyone he was having a great time again like I said especially with 'Alan' then apparently dismissing the tours as nostalgia with a wave of the hand so to speak.
I realise that he has to keep 'CQ' going that went without saying but the most stabbing of all his comments was 'It was Nostalgia' I personally couldn't believe that it was like everything he AJR had done never really mattered ? Had there been no 'FF' break up and his contractual obligations there would have been no 'CQ'. I really do think they missed a great opportunity of raising the 'CQ' profile and credibility, lets be honest it would have helped sell a new 'CQ' album along with it both bands would have a little prosperity.
Like you I don't think he is bitter and twisted probably has a wide range of emotions about the 'FF and CQ' the differences between what was and what is. I would go so far to suggest he has a bit of a split personality somewhat when it comes to 'Quo'. He has created to monsters one full of wild aggressive passion, the other one that is a bit limp wristed man-Yana,man-Yana by comparison, he is more than likely torn between the two but gives into the 'CQ' as it's an easier quieter life ?
Just like you I would love to have had a new material release rather than the reconstituted hits and the 'Aquostic' then another hits album especially as the 'Bula' album drew so much criticism. Like I have said before if they had fleshed out the 'CQ' output with a load of decent 'FFish' rockers since the reformation album 'ITAN' I really do think a lot of fans wouldn't have been to hard on them, but that was down to the bands new direction etc.etc.etc. all history now.
If 'CQ' release a new album I will give it a listen before deciding whether or not to buy but honestly I think the time has past sadly.
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Aug 9, 2017 22:23:27 GMT
From what I understood FR didn't to the initial FF tour, what changed his mind? Possibly the phone conversation with Alan (thinking maybe it could work), would the proceeds have helped some of the other FF? What I did see, especially when I was upstairs at the Hammersmith, was someone who was enjoying being on the stage - was it playing with his old mates? Playing the old songs, as they had all those years ago. The vibe he was getting from the audience? A mix of all that and he just enjoyed the experience? I could understand the no more tours, there was the 3 other members of the current Quo to think about, but - I did think there could have been a few new songs/album. So what happened? Concern over Alan's health? At times, I sometimes thought if someone gently pushed him with one finger he'd fall over. FR had enough concerns about RP's health on tours could he manage Alan's as well? Then recently, there has been some things said that made a bit more sense. RP's (harder) drinking on FF tours, FR likely knew where that would likely lead and it likely brought back memories (demons) from the past (his own & what happened between the members of FF) that he didn't want to deal with again. Closing the box/shutting the door on that part of Quo likely made sense - self preservation? How many of us deal with things we don't like/ don't want deal with/don't want to face by putting them by "locking them in a box" and leaving them there and getting on with life? I don't think he is bitter or twisted. Insecure? Yes, and I don't mean financially but in himself and possibly in his own ability. For all the justifiable criticisms, I think this is a fair way of looking at it. It does make sense to want to close a chapter than risk letting old demons out of a box once more.
Maybe he could have articulated this reasoning much better to help offset a much less favourable impression he has given instead.
I think this is a fair comment. I have seen on FB from people who are in the inner circle of the band their line is "You guys do not have the first idea of what has gone on behind the scenes". However they do not divulge any of the info as they have been told not too. |
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Aug 9, 2017 22:30:48 GMT
Hi All, jaynieeee @catlady I can see the points you raise and agree with them to an extent especially concerning health issues nobody would want to put anyone's health at risk. My problem comes with his comments in the interviews and his seemingly wanting to be separate from those he appeared to be enjoying himself while on the stage with at the time and I think that's what confuses/maddens/pisses off not just me but some others also.
When I saw them at the 'Wolves Civic Centre' in 2013 I was over the moon and had a great evening seeing the 'FF' for the very first time what a memory. You can imagine my surprise when all the odd comments came from him and Rick(rip) in interviews and articles written in which he is quoted it all seemed a bit false. I just couldn't get my head around the fact he was telling everyone he was having a great time again like I said especially with 'Alan' then apparently dismissing the tours as nostalgia with a wave of the hand so to speak.
I realise that he has to keep 'CQ' going that went without saying but the most stabbing of all his comments was 'It was Nostalgia' I personally couldn't believe that it was like everything he AJR had done never really mattered ? Had there been no 'FF' break up and his contractual obligations there would have been no 'CQ'. I really do think they missed a great opportunity of raising the 'CQ' profile and credibility, lets be honest it would have helped sell a new 'CQ' album along with it both bands would have a little prosperity.
Like you I don't think he is bitter and twisted probably has a wide range of emotions about the 'FF and CQ' the differences between what was and what is. I would go so far to suggest he has a bit of a split personality somewhat when it comes to 'Quo'. He has created to monsters one full of wild aggressive passion, the other one that is a bit limp wristed man-Yana,man-Yana by comparison, he is more than likely torn between the two but gives into the 'CQ' as it's an easier quieter life ?
Just like you I would love to have had a new material release rather than the reconstituted hits and the 'Aquostic' then another hits album especially as the 'Bula' album drew so much criticism. Like I have said before if they had fleshed out the 'CQ' output with a load of decent 'FFish' rockers since the reformation album 'ITAN' I really do think a lot of fans wouldn't have been to hard on them, but that was down to the bands new direction etc.etc.etc. all history now.
If 'CQ' release a new album I will give it a listen before deciding whether or not to buy but honestly I think the time has past sadly.
Geoff. BIB, that's how I have felt about the situation for years. If the music had remained similar in style the arguments over band members would not have got to the level that they have. I have seen some pure hatred from both sides of the Quo church and it's really not needed or healthy. Though not many bands have sucsessfully changed band members and have the fans accept the changes. Even AC/DC who mainly remained true to their sound there is a large chasm between fans of the Bon era and Brian's era. Many feel the band died with Bon and Brian was a poor replacement. |
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Post by MrWaistcoat on Aug 16, 2017 11:29:12 GMT
Some great posts and comments here.
I do get the personal reasons why he didn't want the reunion to continue - and fair enough. I don't get why he puts down his fans, bandmates, glory years and legacy. Really baffling to me.
It seems he ended up convincing himself that his Quo are better. Perhaps he thought that would be proven by an under-rehearsed reunion tour, but as we know, the opposite was the case. I genuinely don't understand why he did it a second time, although I'll be forever delighted he did.
I agree there was probably still something special / very worthwhile in the studio for them. And yes that may well have come at the price of stress and a possible resurfacing of old wounds. It was always so, but (from our point of view) was well worth it as brilliant music was the result. Which bands ever achieved brilliance without internal tensions?
Perhaps Francis remains in denial, but I think he surely knows he can't make great music without the others. No studio album proper since 2010 suggests he does know.
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