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Post by Quoincidence on Aug 2, 2017 7:18:11 GMT
Wouldn't buy it... I'd just use Spotify
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 10:35:28 GMT
I like Rhino and I have liked quite a few of the songs he has written and co-written for Quo. I simply don't like a few of the 'heavier' ones he has been involved in. In that respect its not about having an open mind, its down to individual taste, and what you like and what you like less.
Rhino has always had the impossible task of filling the shoes of Alan, whose song-writing (heavy or light) was an integral part of the perfectly fitting glove that was Quo. It was an instinctive thing, the four of them. It cannot be copied or beaten and so there is no slight on Rhino who grew well into the re-formed band after an uncertain start.
But if heaviness is the particular subject of discussion in this instance, then I prefer Alan's idea of 'heavy' to that of Rhino. I'm not a muso to offer any technical reasoning for this, but his presence was a vital part of the FF collective instinct plus maybe its a melody thing, and of course his singing, as proved still to be amazingly good at the reunions, is simply far superior to Rhino
As I see it anyway
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Post by Victor on Aug 2, 2017 10:44:29 GMT
I like Rhino and I have liked quite a few of the songs he has written and co-written for Quo. I simply don't like a few of the 'heavier' ones he has been involved in. In that respect its not about having an open mind, its down to individual taste, and what you like and what you like less.
Rhino has always had the impossible task of filling the shoes of Alan, whose song-writing (heavy or light) was an integral part of the perfectly fitting glove that was Quo. It was an instinctive thing, the four of them. It cannot be copied or beaten and so there is no slight on Rhino who grew well into the re-formed band after an uncertain start.
But if heaviness is the particular subject of discussion in this instance, then I prefer Alan's idea of 'heavy' to that of Rhino. I'm not a muso to offer any technical reasoning for this, but his presence was a vital part of the FF collective instinct plus maybe its a melody thing, and of course his singing, as proved still to be amazingly good at the reunions, is simply far superior to Rhino
As I see it anyway
Yep...Rhino may have written heavier songs sometimes, but they will never be as good for Quo compared to the heavier songs Alan did. Not IMO anyway and yep, Alan's singing is indeed far superior to Rhino's.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 10:51:02 GMT
I seem to have a 'technical fault' in trying to quote from the above posts (probably senile user error) - as there are a few I would have used to illustrate the following......... Not only do I struggle to see why a conversation about the prospect of a new album (yeah....really?) result in a means of digging at Rhino but I do wonder how many have actually listened to RR II with an open mind, or at all. I only got it a few months ago, expected very little, but am now totally convinced that allowing Rhino to have influenced more CQ (as was) material would have improved things: I would love to have known what songs like Tomorrow is Today, Cougar, Busy Doing Nothing, and One Note Blues would have come out like on a Quo album and even the really heavy stuff, like Secretary and Taken em Down and Black Widows (although the last one might be pushing it). Rossi is/has been the problem with Quo. Much as I love the bloke and appreciate the number of years of pleasure his band have given me, the captain of the ship has obviously wanted to set a very different course, which as someone observed in another thread a little while ago, is about as far away from the cover of Piledriver as possible, for many years. And here we are. The End. I have a far greater appetite for another RR album than FRQ, because all the evidence points to it being much stronger, quite a bit like Quo in places, but it will rock. Yeah, the vocals are average at best, but thank goodness for witty lyrics and ballsy heavy rock. And yeah, to be honest - 'country music' is shite to my ears. The majority of Rhino's songs would get nowhere with Quo - certainly not the likes of Cougar and Secretary - because the lyrics are cliché, innuendo-laden and sexist. DTG had to be totally rewritten by Andy because the original sucked.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 10:54:13 GMT
I have to admit RR do nothing for me - its just how it is. An open mind can't change that
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Post by Victor on Aug 2, 2017 11:09:41 GMT
"dig at rhino"... that is all very relative. I don't think critisizing songs that in one's opinion are not good for quo is taking a dig at all. Calling Rhino names or something like that is. But just because Rhino writes heavier material doesn't automatically mean that material is good for Quo.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 11:29:55 GMT
I seem to have a 'technical fault' in trying to quote from the above posts (probably senile user error) - as there are a few I would have used to illustrate the following......... Not only do I struggle to see why a conversation about the prospect of a new album (yeah....really?) result in a means of digging at Rhino but I do wonder how many have actually listened to RR II with an open mind, or at all. I only got it a few months ago, expected very little, but am now totally convinced that allowing Rhino to have influenced more CQ (as was) material would have improved things: I would love to have known what songs like Tomorrow is Today, Cougar, Busy Doing Nothing, and One Note Blues would have come out like on a Quo album and even the really heavy stuff, like Secretary and Taken em Down and Black Widows (although the last one might be pushing it). Rossi is/has been the problem with Quo. Much as I love the bloke and appreciate the number of years of pleasure his band have given me, the captain of the ship has obviously wanted to set a very different course, which as someone observed in another thread a little while ago, is about as far away from the cover of Piledriver as possible, for many years. And here we are. The End. I have a far greater appetite for another RR album than FRQ, because all the evidence points to it being much stronger, quite a bit like Quo in places, but it will rock. Yeah, the vocals are average at best, but thank goodness for witty lyrics and ballsy heavy rock. And yeah, to be honest - 'country music' is shite to my ears. The majority of Rhino's songs would get nowhere with Quo - certainly not the likes of Cougar and Secretary - because the lyrics are cliché, innuendo-laden and sexist. DTG had to be totally rewritten by Andy because the original sucked. The Oriental is rather clichéd and innuendo-laden in a slapstick smutty kind of way. Then there is the Centerfold copy also
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Post by durango95 on Aug 2, 2017 13:27:28 GMT
I seem to have a 'technical fault' in trying to quote from the above posts (probably senile user error) - as there are a few I would have used to illustrate the following......... Not only do I struggle to see why a conversation about the prospect of a new album (yeah....really?) result in a means of digging at Rhino but I do wonder how many have actually listened to RR II with an open mind, or at all. I only got it a few months ago, expected very little, but am now totally convinced that allowing Rhino to have influenced more CQ (as was) material would have improved things: I would love to have known what songs like Tomorrow is Today, Cougar, Busy Doing Nothing, and One Note Blues would have come out like on a Quo album and even the really heavy stuff, like Secretary and Taken em Down and Black Widows (although the last one might be pushing it). Rossi is/has been the problem with Quo. Much as I love the bloke and appreciate the number of years of pleasure his band have given me, the captain of the ship has obviously wanted to set a very different course, which as someone observed in another thread a little while ago, is about as far away from the cover of Piledriver as possible, for many years. And here we are. The End. I have a far greater appetite for another RR album than FRQ, because all the evidence points to it being much stronger, quite a bit like Quo in places, but it will rock. Yeah, the vocals are average at best, but thank goodness for witty lyrics and ballsy heavy rock. And yeah, to be honest - 'country music' is shite to my ears. Suddenly Alan appeared in the discussion about this post....As far as I can see,this post is about Rossis way to nowhere and where perhaps Rhino could have influenced in a better way.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 13:59:14 GMT
Any discussion about the influence of Rhino in song-writing for Quo has a very valid context in terms of the fact that he had big shoes to follow in Alan's footsteps. Comparisons are bound to follow in terms of how both have influenced Quo, and not just in terms of the different bands as a whole but also how Francis has operated in the two very different set-ups. Its clear that time has shown that Francis has preferred the working relationship with Rhino than that of Alan, and that will be one further aspect I would think that has helped steer him away from the legacy of the 70's. So to me at least, it has a lot of relevance.
I'm not personally a fan of RR's music and cannot therefore expertly speak about how this music could potentially influence Quo more (beyond what I have heard and which I don't like), but my inclination to not like it does further help me be certain that I preferred Alan's influence in the same key role in the band. I don't think stating that is any irrelevance to replying to the post under discussion. Thoughts expressed in one post trigger other (related) thoughts in another - there is no one size fits all way to reply.
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Post by paradiseflats on Aug 2, 2017 14:18:29 GMT
Any discussion about the influence of Rhino in song-writing for Quo has a very valid context in terms of the fact that he had big shoes to follow in Alan's footsteps. Comparisons are bound to follow in terms of how both have influenced Quo, and not just in terms of the different bands as a whole but also how Francis has operated in the two very different set-ups. Its clear that time has shown that Francis has preferred the working relationship with Rhino than that of Alan, and that will be one further aspect I would think that has helped steer him away from the legacy of the 70's. So to me at least, it has a lot of relevance.
I'm not personally a fan of RR's music and cannot therefore expertly speak about how this music could potentially influence Quo more (beyond what I have heard and which I don't like), but my inclination to not like it does further help me be certain that I preferred Alan's influence in the same key role in the band. I don't think stating that is any irrelevance to replying to the post under discussion. Thoughts expressed in one post trigger other (related) thoughts in another - there is no one size fits all way to reply. The difference and it's not Rhino's fault but he is not a founding member or even a member of the band that has has released an album that can raise a candle to the classic 70s albums. He has written some good songs and the best to me that have been ones that are not typical Quo songs . The ballads of the late 80s. Of course Francis prefers Rhino he is a yes man and has become more and more a yes man. He is subservient, no threat to Francis. He hasn't written a song that sounds like classic Quo but that will be as much as anything the band don't want or can't sound like that. Dust to gold, dreadful to me but really like by many is a key example. It sounds like a poor attempt at Never to late period Quo. But it lacks the guitar passages that and solo that would make it so much better. And we can guess why that is.
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Post by durango95 on Aug 2, 2017 14:33:39 GMT
Any discussion about the influence of Rhino in song-writing for Quo has a very valid context in terms of the fact that he had big shoes to follow in Alan's footsteps. Comparisons are bound to follow in terms of how both have influenced Quo, and not just in terms of the different bands as a whole but also how Francis has operated in the two very different set-ups.
So here we go...Prior to 1976 Alans song writing (alone or with others) were worldclass, so I want to make a personal reflection about his writing during the years 1976-1983.
Is there a better way (Lancaster/Rossi) 9/10 Blue for you (Lancaster) 3)10 Ease your mind (Lancaster) 2/10 Let's ride (Lancaster) 2/10 You don't own me (Green/Lancaster) 2/10 Too far gone (Lancaster) 1/10 Gonna teach you to love me (Lancaster/Green) 2/10 Stones (Lancaster) 1/10 Who asked you (Lancaster) 10/10 High flyer (Lancaster/Young) 9/10 The wild ones (Lancaster) 8/10 Over the edge Lamb/Lancaster) 4/10 Mountain lady (Lancaster) 7/10 Don't stop me now (Bown/Lancaster) 3/10 I love rock and roll (Lancaster) 1/10 I want the world to know (Lancaster/Lamb) 2/10 Big man (Lancaster/Green) 1/10 Ol' rag blues (Lancaster/Lamb) 5/10 Your kind of love (Lancaster) 2/10
First thing about the reunion gigs in -13,14 that I noticed was Alans voice,still top notch,very pleasant to hear.
About his shoes...well some world class writing again around -79,-80 but imho alot of crap too during this period.
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Post by Victor on Aug 2, 2017 15:09:07 GMT
One thing I can only say for myself is that, while I prefer Alan's input, it doesn't mean I liked everything from Alan... not at all. Typical examples for me are Ease your mind, Blue for you, Gonna teach you to love me, I love rock and roll. On the other hand, as you say Durango, there certanly was some quality input in the years you mentioned with Who asked you, High Flyer, Mountain Lady
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Post by paradiseflats on Aug 2, 2017 16:19:00 GMT
Any discussion about the influence of Rhino in song-writing for Quo has a very valid context in terms of the fact that he had big shoes to follow in Alan's footsteps. Comparisons are bound to follow in terms of how both have influenced Quo, and not just in terms of the different bands as a whole but also how Francis has operated in the two very different set-ups.
So here we go...Prior to 1976 Alans song writing (alone or with others) were worldclass, so I want to make a personal reflection about his writing during the years 1976-1983.
Interesting my scores would be.
Is there a better way (Lancaster/Rossi) 9/10 7/10 Blue for you (Lancaster) 3)10 3/10 Ease your mind (Lancaster) 2/10 4/10 Let's ride (Lancaster) 2/10 6/10 You don't own me (Green/Lancaster) 2/10 6/10 Too far gone (Lancaster) 1/10 6/10 Gonna teach you to love me (Lancaster/Green) 2/10 4/10 Stones (Lancaster) 1/10 5/10 Who asked you (Lancaster) 10/10 7/10 High flyer (Lancaster/Young) 9/10 6/10 The wild ones (Lancaster) 8/10 6/10 Over the edge Lamb/Lancaster) 4/10 5/10 Mountain lady (Lancaster) 7/10 8/10 Don't stop me now (Bown/Lancaster) 3/10 5/10 I love rock and roll (Lancaster) 1/10 3/10 I want the world to know (Lancaster/Lamb) 2/10 3/10 Big man (Lancaster/Green) 1/10 2/10 Ol' rag blues (Lancaster/Lamb) 5/10 5/10 Your kind of love (Lancaster) 2/10 5/10
A definite down turn but true of the whole band.
First thing about the reunion gigs in -13,14 that I noticed was Alans voice,still top notch,very pleasant to hear.
About his shoes...well some world class writing again around -79,-80 but imho alot of crap too during this period.
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Post by wolfman on Aug 2, 2017 18:24:50 GMT
rhino is not the best of singers..i do give him some stick on here.. could some one put a couple up on here..mind you while you do please put some nuff on too...
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Post by wishing4oldquo on Aug 2, 2017 19:04:21 GMT
I just want to point out that Alan is/was the best bass player for Quo and the FF cannot be beaten, by anyone, for me (name check on my login for past 10 years or so): my point is the direction taken by Rossi and how Rhino's input might have counter-balanced that a tad more. Whether its because Rhino is anymore of a 'yes man' than any other band member is something I can't gauge.
So I think I have been a tiny bit misunderstood: so a revision of my answer to OP is:
"I will not buy another Quo album but would buy another from RR as the last one was far more enjoyable for me than anything Quo have done for many years - and I put that at squarely at the feet of FR - the years of Alan vs Rhino arguments on the various MBs are almost a distraction to that point I feel"
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