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Post by MrWaistcoat on May 21, 2017 12:10:38 GMT
"Quo tried to sell out....but failed"
"Quo never sold out...they just got older and tastes changed"
"Quo sold out in 19**"
Discuss!
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Post by freewilly on May 21, 2017 13:00:38 GMT
I understand bands wanting to develop their sound and change direction etc... One of my fave bands, U2, started off as a punk band, changed to a rock blues band, then into a fucking industrial, European type sounding band..... I completely understand why bands do that..
However, Quo definitely sold out. No two ways about it. When they did is up for discussion.
Personally, I don't care that they did.
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Post by paradiseflats on May 21, 2017 13:15:38 GMT
Trying new things and changing direction isn't selling out to me, nor is trying to sell more records.
But stabbing members in the back is selling out.
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Post by derryquo on May 21, 2017 13:55:35 GMT
Not giving a flying feck about their hardcore is a sell out
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Post by curiousgirl on May 21, 2017 14:11:54 GMT
I suppose we first need to define what we mean by selling out.
1) Does it mean going commercial by signing to major record label, using their music on adverts etc... ie: making as much money as possible from their music.
2) Or does it mean compromising your musical integrity for financial gain?
Or both?
I think Quo were always after lots of money. And they made lost of dosh once they found their sound/groove until the split in 84. But that process pushed them to their limits and there was little time beyond being part of the production line of gigs/records etc. So pursuing the money pushed them over the edge. And destroyed what had made them special.
The post 86 Quo had two problems if they wanted to keep making money. One, a key member wanted to play a wider variety of music but couldn't attract an audience that way. So they had to stick with the sound they were known for. Whist at the same time, attracting a wider audience because their original hard-core were no longer interested in them. And this changed their sound somewhat.
Whether post 86 Quo sold out or it was a matter of survival will depend on what you want from Quo. Or how prepared you are to see this from a point of view that isn't your own.
I gather for many who went to live gigs post 86, they still had a good night out. So that doesn't sound like they compromised their music too much. It is mostly on recordings and via naff promotions to keep them in the public eye.
For me personally it was about survival which I respect. But that doesn't mean I have to still buy their records or go to the gigs.
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Post by slowtrain7 on May 21, 2017 14:39:05 GMT
I don't think QUO would know how to "sell out"
Anything they recorded was a genuine attempt at being themselves as people.
How dare they try something different, a new style or sound. "Shipwreck" on AC would be a great song by another artist, it's not a great QUO song though.
As I've said in previous Posts, QUO have been damned if they do and damned if they don't.
They were criticised for being the "same" sound again and again, then criticised for doing something different.
In 1994 hardcore Green Day supporters claimed they'd sold out when they released "Dookie"
B4 "Dookie" Greenday were non commercial sounding thrashy punk, with non existent melodies or hooks.
Was this sudden change organic or manufactured?
Just like OUR QUO, they tried something different.
Thank the GODS they did.
"Dookie" is one of my fave albums.
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Post by azza200 on May 21, 2017 15:02:15 GMT
Kings Of Leon are anothe prime example of a band selling out. Before the Sex is on Fire album they were good after that album utter crap not listened to them since the Because of the Times album.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 16:15:41 GMT
"Quo tried to sell out....but failed" "Quo never sold out...they just got older and tastes changed" "Quo sold out in 19**" Discuss! There's an element of truth to all three statements. Whilst it's true that Quo started releasing singles that differed from the norm (i.e. LOAI, RNR, MT), they always wrote ballads, but from BFY onwards the market demanded that they released more than one single per album, so ballads got a look-in. Nothing wrong with that. Though David Walker is heralded as some marketing genius, his half-arsed approach to his ludicrous ideas are what makes statement #1 totally true. He had no idea how to build a fanbase. He was a joke figure within the industry (see CGYM). It was his quick cash-in thinking that ruined the band. Francis thought people wanted to hear songs like Restless. Even after it was booed by fans when played live, Quo went ahead and released it. Jeff Rich said around the time of the AC album that Quo would play reggae if they were asked. Both instances smack of selling out. Nowadays, making a film that they time and time again said they didn't want to do and getting cosy with the BBC when years previous they tried to sue them is total hypocrisy if nothing else. Laughably, those in charge of music selection at Radio 2 are as totally as inept as Porter and Walker. |
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Post by gentlemanjoe on May 21, 2017 18:11:24 GMT
I'd hardly put Living on an Island and Rock and Roll, which are brilliantly crafted songs, which were I agree "different" from their usual output, in the same league
as the truly awful Margerita Time.. Which wasn't just 'different' but also bloody awful
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Post by dublinquo on May 21, 2017 22:03:05 GMT
Five years into CQ's career, click above to hear one Quo fan's thoughts
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Post by azza200 on May 21, 2017 23:49:59 GMT
The fact that Quo resorted to being a karaoke act at times in the 90's and releasing novelty shit like this  |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 18:14:56 GMT
Trying new things and changing direction isn't selling out to me, nor is trying to sell more records. But stabbing members in the back is selling out. Hi All, I agree with what you have put but would add that if that change comes at a cost to your Credibility/Fan Base and Output sales then it's obviously a wrong move, why alienate your fans when they basically put the money in your pocket ? I am all for changing with the ever changing musical industry but do you have to become Pc with it ? and kicking the roots that you formed the band in well into touch ?
Quo have done the above instead of relying on that changed CQ output (According to most accounts from gig attendees) they have kept on playing for the most the bands historic music. Even though they do not record that heavier 'Rock music', they could have included in the post break CQ along with that heavier sound but Poprockish was the way Francis steered the Quotanic, despite Rick being in the crows nest and shouting POPROCK ICEBURG DEAD AHEAD!.... 
Geoff.
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