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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 16:28:57 GMT
For needed balance to yesterdays critical post, the last post made on the parallel thread to this one on another site I think pitches the situation very well in terms of what the post Rick band led by Francis could have done.
There is no need to paraphrase that post here, it can be read and opinions drawn accordingly. Its not everyone by any means who takes a preachy lofty approach, and its important not to tar a brush too generally
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Post by 4th Chord on May 2, 2017 17:57:26 GMT
For needed balance to yesterdays critical post, the last post made on the parallel thread to this one on another site I think pitches the situation very well in terms of what the post Rick band led by Francis could have done.
There is no need to paraphrase that post here, it can be read and opinions drawn accordingly. Its not everyone by any means who takes a preachy lofty approach, and its important not to tar a brush too generally Interesting to see that 'being respectful to all band members' actually only extends so far on the happy clappy site.....
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Post by freewilly on May 2, 2017 18:18:00 GMT
For needed balance to yesterdays critical post, the last post made on the parallel thread to this one on another site I think pitches the situation very well in terms of what the post Rick band led by Francis could have done.
There is no need to paraphrase that post here, it can be read and opinions drawn accordingly. Its not everyone by any means who takes a preachy lofty approach, and its important not to tar a brush too generally Interesting to see that 'being respectful to all band members' actually only extends so far on the happy clappy site..... Certainly not to Alan, Rick or John anyways
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 9:33:45 GMT
Interesting to see that 'being respectful to all band members' actually only extends so far on the happy clappy site..... Certainly not to Alan, Rick or John anyways That would be way too stuck in the 70's. One must move on you see
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2017 15:29:59 GMT
I think that Mortified's post elsewhere rather hits a nail on the head about having to give Francis and the post Rick band the benefit of the doubt in terms of how they have approached things since continuing as usual. As I see it, Gillie and John's programme with its spontaneous Quo family warmth and affection so strongly emanating from it, and totally down to earth with no mechanical admin/business like frills, really amplifies further the contrast of the muted outward response from the Francis and LNOTE/Aquostic camp in general. I understand the point well made by Morty in his post, but such a contrast in responses (or lack of of it) really tests the need of having to give the benefit of the doubt " Should it be necessary in the first place? It really doesn't take any great fanfare or clever arty farty marketing gimmick to cobble together something simple and informal, mistakes and fluffed lines and all (who cares) to say goodbye to an old pal. Whatever mitigating circumstances that could be put up to excuse lack of public comment or reference by the LNOTE/Aquostic membership, especially at gigs, it just doesn't seem good enough
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Post by freewilly on May 4, 2017 15:40:22 GMT
I think that Mortified's post elsewhere rather hits a nail on the head about having to give Francis and the post Rick band the benefit of the doubt in terms of how they have approached things since continuing as usual. As I see it, Gillie and John's programme with its spontaneous Quo family warmth and affection so strongly emanating from it, and totally down to earth with no mechanical admin/business like frills, really amplifies further the contrast of the muted outward response from the Francis and LNOTE/Aquostic camp in general. I understand the point well made by Morty in his post, but such a contrast in responses (or lack of of it) really tests the need of having to give the benefit of the doubt " Should it be necessary in the first place? It really doesn't take any great fanfare or clever arty farty marketing gimmick to cobble together something simple and informal, mistakes and fluffed lines and all (who cares) to say goodbye to an old pal. Whatever mitigating circumstances that could be put up to excuse lack of public comment or reference by the LNOTE/Aquostic membership, especially at gigs, it just doesn't seem good enough Francis should have said something. Simple as that. A simple "that's for Rick" would have more than acceptable. Then again, how often have we said "Francis should this, Francis should that?" Then again, I'm not even shocked as I know the kind of him so, why I'm posting is a mystery
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Post by curiousgirl on May 4, 2017 15:41:45 GMT
I've just re-listened to the radio solent interview from Frame and I was very moved by it. And having experienced big personal losses myself, I recognised similar experiences in bereavement.
And whatever went on privately that isn't so pleasant is their business, including rpj's mystery info. I don't want to know.
Regarding respecting Rick's memory as the band plays on; in my heart I wish Quo could be like Springsteen and remember their departed band-members publicly. But they can't. Or maybe its too soon (?)
I'm reminded that Francis doesn't like any personal public fuss, his birthday, weddings etc. He doesn't celebrate. So this could be one reason why he finds it hard to acknowledge Rick's passing in the way we'd all like.
When I re-listened to the interview, it was via youtube, and a clip from a recent gig in Sweden came on. There was a long bit of chat to the audience as he fiddled with tuning guitar etc... and whilst he's putting on a jolly front, I thought he felt very lonely up there. Maybe I was reading to much into it. But that is how he seemed to me.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2017 16:04:01 GMT
I've just re-listened to the radio solent interview from Frame and I was very moved by it. And having experienced big personal losses myself, I recognised similar experiences in bereavement. And whatever went on privately that isn't so pleasant is their business, including rpj's mystery info. I don't want to know. Regarding respecting Rick's memory as the band plays on; in my heart I wish Quo could be like Springsteen and remember their departed band-members publicly. But they can't. Or maybe its too soon (?) I'm reminded that Francis doesn't like any personal public fuss, his birthday, weddings etc. He doesn't celebrate. So this could be one reason why he finds it hard to acknowledge Rick's passing in the way we'd all like. When I re-listened to the interview, it was via youtube, and a clip from a recent gig in Sweden came on. There was a long bit of chat to the audience as he fiddled with tuning guitar etc... and whilst he's putting on a jolly front, I thought he felt very lonely up there. Maybe I was reading to much into it. But that is how he seemed to me. The thing is, the Solent interviewer thanked Francis for being sensible in the interview. Not something that one might usually expect as customary etiquette in a situation like this. Its not unreasonable to expect someone to be automatically 'sensible' dealing with a subject such as they were
Its one thing not liking public fuss and wanting to live a private life as a private person, but if you large it up as a public persona with a colourful and outgoing personality and imprint that impression in people's minds, then it is bound to be the case that people will only go off what they see and manage their expectations accordingly tailored to different situations.
Francis bangs on and on about the importance of show business and his dualistic little tete a tete's with his demons over being in the limelight ("look at me, don't look at me") yet craves to be quiet and express no fuss in aspects of his own life. With such a contrary character as this, for whatever understandable reasons within his genes, he still cannot expect people to be able to read him correctly and automatically understand him when the right hand appears to be doing something different to the left.
The fact that it seems the interviewer was grateful that Francis approached talking about Rick as sensitively as he did (and credit for sure to Francis for that) it still speaks volumes that the interviewer had to make sure that Francis had his 'correct mask' available to fit the needs of the occasion.
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Post by curiousgirl on May 4, 2017 16:56:46 GMT
Yes @catlady , the interviewer does thank Francis for being sensible. But don't you think the interviewer is rather crafty when he asks the question? He asks in such a personal way, trying to put himself inside Francis' head. "Do you think about him...?" Francis was hardly going to say"no and I don't want to talk about it.. its private." I found that quite unnerving the first time I heard it.
On reflection, to be fair to the interviewer, maybe it was the right way to handle it. Take the emotion out of the situation and just be straight forward, almost factual. And I'm glad he did because we had the insight many of us wanted from a private man.
I hear what you're saying about someone being in the public eye. But in the end, we're all human. And whilst we should do the right thing, many of us often don't.
I'm tired of blaming him for everything. He's obviously suffered a huge loss, despite the chirpy front. That dream told me everything. I've had that dream too. (about someone close to me and not Rick.)
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2017 21:44:25 GMT
Yes, the interviewer gets the desired result, and it means an improved interview is the result than otherwise might have been the case.
I think there are emotive posts made that amplify impressions of polarisation of views, but stripping that away, I don't think many truly blames him for everything.
Often the truth lies somewhere in the middle with many things. Indeed wrt to Francis Rossi I come from the opposite direction to excessive blame having ridiculously simpered like a 16 yr old over everything he did, so I am especially aware of the need for perspective as excessive blame and sycophancy are both as unhelpful and undesirable as each other.
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Post by americanquo on May 6, 2017 4:23:02 GMT
More click bate for the haters.... Or rather perhaps your own post is designed to get reaction? That's how I took it.
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on May 7, 2017 10:53:05 GMT
Yes @catlady , the interviewer does thank Francis for being sensible. But don't you think the interviewer is rather crafty when he asks the question? He asks in such a personal way, trying to put himself inside Francis' head. "Do you think about him...?" Francis was hardly going to say"no and I don't want to talk about it.. its private." I found that quite unnerving the first time I heard it. On reflection, to be fair to the interviewer, maybe it was the right way to handle it. Take the emotion out of the situation and just be straight forward, almost factual. And I'm glad he did because we had the insight many of us wanted from a private man. I hear what you're saying about someone being in the public eye. But in the end, we're all human. And whilst we should do the right thing, many of us often don't. I'm tired of blaming him for everything. He's obviously suffered a huge loss, despite the chirpy front. That dream told me everything. I've had that dream too. (about someone close to me and not Rick.) I thought the interviewer was dead canny and put Francis on the spot, but he did it well and wasn't scandal-baiting. So he got a good response.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2017 11:00:04 GMT
Yes indeed - the interviewer did a good job, much as I alluded to previously. My point is/was simply this- should he have had to in the first place? I don't think Francis should be blamed for everything, but neither do I think it is healthy to make excuses for everything he (and his band) do either
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Post by curiousgirl on May 7, 2017 11:06:37 GMT
Yes indeed - the interviewer did a good job, much as I alluded to previously. My point is/was simply this- should he have had to in the first place? I don't think Francis should be blamed for everything, but neither do I think it is healthy to make excuses for everything he (and his band) do either I do get your point catlady. But don't you think the death of a partner/friend/even ex-friend of 50 years is an exceptional circumstance? And why on this occasion I'm prepared to cut him some slack. I think its okay to talk about the change of direction of the band and his taste in music or even the fact he seems bored on stage. But this is the death of someone significant in his life. Also he is a man who doesn't like to talk about emotions, so why should he volunteer them? I think due to the nature of the subject matter and only 4 months into a significant bereavement, it is absolutely fine that Francis doesn't reveal what he feels. Even if we want to know which we do because we care.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2017 11:26:51 GMT
Yes indeed - the interviewer did a good job, much as I alluded to previously. My point is/was simply this- should he have had to in the first place? I don't think Francis should be blamed for everything, but neither do I think it is healthy to make excuses for everything he (and his band) do either I do get your point catlady. But don't you think the death of a partner/friend/even ex-friend of 50 years is an exceptional circumstance? And why on this occasion I'm prepared to cut him some slack. I think its okay to talk about the change of direction of the band and his taste in music or even the fact he seems bored on stage. But this is the death of someone significant in his life. Also he is a man who doesn't like to talk about emotions, so why should he volunteer them? I think due to the nature of the subject matter and only 4 months into a significant bereavement, it is absolutely fine that Francis doesn't reveal what he feels. Even if we want to know which we do because we care. I think it was on the Solent thread where I started off by saying how pleased I was with the way Francis approached the subject - as sensitive and difficult as it was. So I already cut him some slack
Francis may find it hard, understandably, awkward to talk about difficult emotions but the fact is that he was quite lucid and in control in that Solent interview. It was just a pity that the role of the interviewer played a part in the way the discussion evolved and prevented the defacto repeated anecdotes and waffle about insecure show-off that we might have got otherwise.
So perhaps what I am saying is maybe he doesn't find it too difficult to discuss these things - its just that he prefers to play alter ego rather more.
I also think that LNOTE and Aquostic plc (which Francis enthusiastically forefronts) have been a bit too convincingly stiff upper lip about things with the "business as usual" approach since Rick finally was gone. Just my opinion.
If Gillie and John (plus the remainder of the old Quo family and friends) could provide a simple and affectionate show in respect of their lost comrade, then frankly I think the least that LNOTE plc could do is provide some background tribute to the shows that go on with gusto and whicht prioritise their 2017 programme.
Getting someone to talk about a bereavement through some cat and mouse media interview technique rather devalues raw emotions sitting there. Such raw emotions cannot be manufactured or made to be articulated artificially as a media game - they are either spontaneously offered, or are they not spontaneous at all
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