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Post by curiousgirl on Dec 16, 2015 9:25:02 GMT
But do the public now want blue jeans? Some do of course but many don't care it seems and still enjoy the gigs. The cover for Aquostic? Well he knew it would sell and that is what made him strip off. I don't find that hard to understand. Yes, that cover is now out there but he only had to do it once. But day in day out might have been a little stressful. QPQ - well they tried to give the public what they wanted. Gotta give them credit for that. He isn't satisfied with end result? I think that's allowed. Trying to re-caputure something doesn't always work and he thought that. Have to say I agree with him. I don't find him hard to understand. He's been clever in making the best of a situation which has given him a lifestyle he wants and doing things his own way as much as possible.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2015 10:01:17 GMT
Yes, RW, he wasn't completely happy afterwards with QPQ. Francis commented about how one-paced it was in comparison with the likes of ISOTFC.
I think that there are quite large sections of the fan base that want blue jeans and a guitar heavier sound, but as we are seeing with the latest tour just as one example, clearly there are enough numbers going to gigs who are not worried about this and are happy to take the show, and his part in that show, exactly as it stands.
Part of this problem began a long time back with a growing difference between the real Francis Rossi and the one who played with the FF. His brash rocking front man role being so convincing, that many assumed this was the guy in real life and he would never want to do anything else. As already stated, he moved on and grew up fast away from this - and just one part of this process was making a lot of pop orientated records that confused, alienated and disappointed sections of fans in equal measures.
However, being multi faceted, he is able to return to any previous guise at any time. No surprise that the vibe given off was so different at the Ff reunion gigs and he played the gig much straighter than his usual CQ role.
Fans wanting him to fit an ideal rock stereotype will always be let down. He is able to play out a role, but that doesn't make it any more 'him' than any other role he plays out. Whether that is stripped bare for Aquostic, posing for commercials, appearing on day time telly shows..or closer to playing the guitar hero role that many fans want him to most closely identify with.
Everyone knows he is contrary - but its impossible to have all the answers about one person - though I'd like to spend a day or two in Eileen's shoes and try to find out. At least a chance to finally make him a pot of tea and not spill it
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Post by kachunk on Dec 16, 2015 10:17:49 GMT
His attitude to albums is particularly annoying. Every album release sees Francis singing the praises of the new product (obviously,as he is doing promo for it) but within a couple of years he will be slagging it off. The man is a mass of contradictions and probably always was. Let's take two examples: Francis was furious that the cover for Under The Influence was changed to a very cheap and tacky pub sign.Yet he was happy to go along with the Acqoustic cover which was tacky on a nuclear scale IMO. When Ain't Complaing was released,Francis was more than happy to fill every interview with talk of how different and versatile they were compared to the old line up and how comfortable they were recording with all the new recording technology (the synths/samplers and other MIDI gear of the time).However,within the last decade Ain't Complaining has become an album that Francis now believes should never have been made. I know that everyone has a right to change their mind but bloody hell........
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Post by Gaz on Dec 16, 2015 10:33:09 GMT
But do the public now want blue jeans? Some do of course but many don't care it seems and still enjoy the gigs. The cover for Aquostic? Well he knew it would sell and that is what made him strip off. I don't find that hard to understand. Yes, that cover is now out there but he only had to do it once. But day in day out might have been a little stressful. QPQ - well they tried to give the public what they wanted. Gotta give them credit for that. He isn't satisfied with end result? I think that's allowed. Trying to re-caputure something doesn't always work and he thought that. Have to say I agree with him. I don't find him hard to understand. He's been clever in making the best of a situation which has given him a lifestyle he wants and doing things his own way as much as possible. Well how come you've never seen CQ live?
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Post by MrWaistcoat on Dec 16, 2015 10:49:13 GMT
Slightly off topic....back to the making of QPQ. Rick has also been quoted as saying that hardcore fans "just want an album full of rockers rolling". I find it quite amazing how out of touch they both seem to be with hardcore fans.
Back on topic....
The thing I really don't get (back to the reunion stuff again) - Francis has always talked up how much he likes being "him" (the rock star with the hole in the nose) and being on stage getting all the adoration. Few stars anywhere on earth could match or top the overwhelming adoration of the FF shows. I can perhaps understand (well ok, I don't) why he mightn't have wanted to do the shows, and / or not do anymore. But his lack of positivity about the experience he had......well, that has me foxed. I do find that very hard to understand, particularly as enjoyment didn't appear to be an issue for him during the gigs themselves...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2015 10:56:58 GMT
I'm not saying "he's a nob" I am .......... and I mean that in the way he disrespects the rock fans that made him a millionaire , total disgrace Oi.....you been on the Feckin sherry again?......wait till frozenhero reads this it will send him over the edge.
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Post by paul70 on Dec 16, 2015 11:05:45 GMT
Threads trying to analyse Francis have been made on the previous mb's. He certainly grew up faster than Rick in terms of the lifestyle and image. He is also one of the most organised people there is with routine - down to the last detail. His attention to this and increasing need for self discipline also stem from the fact that he has always suffered from severe migraines and has to have a closely followed routine, down to meal times, sleep etc, so as to avoid as many triggers as possible. Its documented he has played gigs suffering the worst of these. How he managed, who knows... Yep. .. and it is wisdom to use fleece when its chilly out gig:-)
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Post by Gaz on Dec 16, 2015 11:11:26 GMT
Slightly off topic....back to the making of QPQ. Rick has also been quoted as saying that hardcore fans "just want an album full of rockers rolling". I find it quite amazing how out of touch they both seem to be with hardcore fans. Back on topic.... The thing I really don't get (back to the reunion stuff again) - Francis has always talked up how much he likes being "him" (the rock star with the hole in the nose) and being on stage getting all the adoration. Few stars anywhere on earth could match or top the overwhelming adoration of the FF shows. I can perhaps understand (well ok, I don't) why he mightn't have wanted to do the shows, and / or not do anymore. But his lack of positivity about the experience he had......well, that has me foxed. I do find that very hard to understand, particularly as enjoyment didn't appear to be an issue for him during the gigs themselves... Good post. I've seen plenty of footage of him over the years, but the reunion Dublin gig...well all can see he revelled in it.
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Post by lemmystoenail on Dec 16, 2015 11:28:10 GMT
I am .......... and I mean that in the way he disrespects the rock fans that made him a millionaire , total disgrace Oi.....you been on the Feckin sherry again?......wait till frozenhero reads this it will send him over the edge. Ooooooo am shakin in me boots col! Hahaha at the sherry ! Love it
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2015 12:04:33 GMT
Slightly off topic....back to the making of QPQ. Rick has also been quoted as saying that hardcore fans "just want an album full of rockers rolling". I find it quite amazing how out of touch they both seem to be with hardcore fans. Back on topic.... The thing I really don't get (back to the reunion stuff again) - Francis has always talked up how much he likes being "him" (the rock star with the hole in the nose) and being on stage getting all the adoration. Few stars anywhere on earth could match or top the overwhelming adoration of the FF shows. I can perhaps understand (well ok, I don't) why he mightn't have wanted to do the shows, and / or not do anymore. But his lack of positivity about the experience he had......well, that has me foxed. I do find that very hard to understand, particularly as enjoyment didn't appear to be an issue for him during the gigs themselves... There are simply parts he cannot remember because there are periods of his life which were spent on another planet whilst being 5 o'clockish off his face. That explains some of it So if he can't remember, then how are any of us supposed to understand!?
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Post by Mustang Bass on Dec 16, 2015 17:31:34 GMT
He's an OAP, how many pensioners still wear denims? It seems to me that he is just 'acting his age.' There comes a time in life when old men in boys clothes goes beyond a joke.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2015 19:03:24 GMT
He's an OAP, how many pensioners still wear denims? It seems to me that he is just 'acting his age.' There comes a time in life when old men in boys clothes goes beyond a joke. I still intend to wear jeans when I am a pensioner. Mutton can dress as lamb as much as old men can wear boys clothes, have beanos with the road crew and send postcards 'to the wife' at any pensionable age
I haven't touched a joint since I was in the States years and years back, but still, why not skin me another
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Post by cactuspete on Dec 16, 2015 21:22:26 GMT
I'm not saying "he's a nob" I am .......... and I mean that in the way he disrespects the rock fans that made him a millionaire , total disgrace
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Post by cactuspete on Dec 16, 2015 21:23:01 GMT
I am .......... and I mean that in the way he disrespects the rock fans that made him a millionaire , total disgrace
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Post by curiousgirl on Dec 16, 2015 21:29:07 GMT
But do the public now want blue jeans? Some do of course but many don't care it seems and still enjoy the gigs. The cover for Aquostic? Well he knew it would sell and that is what made him strip off. I don't find that hard to understand. Yes, that cover is now out there but he only had to do it once. But day in day out might have been a little stressful. QPQ - well they tried to give the public what they wanted. Gotta give them credit for that. He isn't satisfied with end result? I think that's allowed. Trying to re-caputure something doesn't always work and he thought that. Have to say I agree with him. I don't find him hard to understand. He's been clever in making the best of a situation which has given him a lifestyle he wants and doing things his own way as much as possible. Well how come you've never seen CQ live? Because I'm an independent free thinking human being. I thought the topic was about understanding Francis rather than liking his choices in relation to Quo.
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