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Post by freewilly on Mar 1, 2017 22:13:56 GMT
What the fuck happened? One minute it has the calm shyness of Forty Five Hundred Times then he's trying to push it. When did the change happen? Think it was the adrenaline of the live gigs and the power of the band. He always sung 4500 times in kind of voice anyways. Just appeared to happen live up until No Contract
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Post by dublinquo on Mar 1, 2017 22:28:48 GMT
What the fuck happened? One minute it has the calm shyness of Forty Five Hundred Times then he's trying to push it. When did the change happen? In the recording studio, I think he began to "push it" during the delivery of the following lyrics to Mystery Song: - - Have my share of pride and joy-y
- Oh I'm feeling like a man-n
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Post by viking55 on Mar 2, 2017 15:46:50 GMT
Lots of Rock singers have that light and shade in their voice ! Changing moods during a song depend on what the song demands. It's sad that Rick lost some of that power Live after his throats problems. Such demanding vocals in his songs it's no surprise !
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Post by QuocaQuola1 on Mar 2, 2017 22:25:08 GMT
Lots of Rock singers have that light and shade in their voice ! Changing moods during a song depend on what the song demands. It's sad that Rick lost some of that power Live after his throats problems. Such demanding vocals in his songs it's no surprise ! I don't mean light and shade. He used to have a great voice during the 70s and 80s then he completely changed it to sound manlier.
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Post by gav on Mar 2, 2017 23:21:03 GMT
Lots of Rock singers have that light and shade in their voice ! Changing moods during a song depend on what the song demands. It's sad that Rick lost some of that power Live after his throats problems. Such demanding vocals in his songs it's no surprise ! I don't mean light and shade. He used to have a great voice during the 70s and 80s then he completely changed it to sound manlier. When exactly?
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Post by QuocaQuola1 on Mar 2, 2017 23:35:29 GMT
I don't mean light and shade. He used to have a great voice during the 70s and 80s then he completely changed it to sound manlier. When exactly? Forty Five Hundred Times is a good example, as is Rain. Listen to the studio versions and 70s/80s live versions then listen to ones from the 2000's. There's a huge difference.
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Post by Railroad17 on Mar 3, 2017 0:27:36 GMT
It's a simple process called "GETTING OLD". True enough.You had to admire his application.I used to think although BFM is a standard you don't have to do it. He never really tried to compromise in the vocals whereas Francis Rossi is a good practioner of it.
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Post by Quoincidence on Mar 3, 2017 1:14:03 GMT
Forty Five Hundred Times is a good example, as is Rain. Listen to the studio versions and 70s/80s live versions then listen to ones from the 2000's. There's a huge difference. Smoking heavily affecting his vocals and mainly forcing himself to hit notes he could't quite reach... when they performed The Power of Rock live he even struggled then, but it's more obvious on the bootleg compared to the VHS overdub. And from '86 onwards it was only him and Francis singing lead on songs where as before they had 3 strong vocal'd musicians, so each one could take a break whilst the other one(s) sang, before belting out again.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2017 6:36:31 GMT
Heavy smoking, heavy drinking, throat cancer and vocal chord problems, it's a wonder he could hold a note really but as the decline was gradual it didn't really show till the return of Alan for the FF reunions when suddenly it became obvious just how much range and power he'd lost.
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Mar 3, 2017 12:48:50 GMT
What the fuck happened? One minute it has the calm shyness of Forty Five Hundred Times then he's trying to push it. When did the change happen? Think it was the adrenaline of the live gigs and the power of the band. He always sung 4500 times in kind of voice anyways. Just appeared to happen live up until No Contract Please someone explain this bit to me (I mean both, not just Freewilly). Rick has/had this double voice range, he's not alone in that but he was good right across the board. I never had any notion of when this began. When do people think he started "Trying to push it."? What is the significance of No Contract? Was he really different live and on record? I missed that stage of their career live, so I don't have personal memories to draw on there. (I'm a bit thick at the moment because I have a virus. Possibly not totally understanding.)
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Post by azza200 on Mar 3, 2017 17:15:25 GMT
Heavy smoking, heavy drinking, throat cancer and vocal chord problems, it's a wonder he could hold a note really but as the decline was gradual it didn't really show till the return of Alan for the FF reunions when suddenly it became obvious just how much range and power he'd lost. I agree Rain & BFM you could tell he was straining his voice
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2017 18:05:28 GMT
Heavy smoking, heavy drinking, throat cancer and vocal chord problems, it's a wonder he could hold a note really but as the decline was gradual it didn't really show till the return of Alan for the FF reunions when suddenly it became obvious just how much range and power he'd lost. I agree Rain & BFM you could tell he was straining his voice The last few years he just about managed Rain but BFM was obviously beyond him vocally, he was clearly straining on a couple of numbers at the Roundhouse Aquostic concert so I hope his final solo songs were recorded in a lower key where he still had more power. He admitted himself in various interviews that his voice was shot so you wonder if he hadn't so tragically died just how much longer he'd have been able to keep touring from a singing point of view.
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Mar 4, 2017 11:18:49 GMT
Heavy smoking, heavy drinking, throat cancer and vocal chord problems, it's a wonder he could hold a note really but as the decline was gradual it didn't really show till the return of Alan for the FF reunions when suddenly it became obvious just how much range and power he'd lost. Not forgetting that he never actually had throat cancer, he was just sent for tests on suspicion. I believe the real problem was nodules, which are a sign in themselves that the vocal chords are under strain. IOW the problem was a symptom, not a cause. To my ears also he was coping better during the 2014 FF than he was in 2013. But it came and went.
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Post by 4th Chord on Mar 5, 2017 18:45:51 GMT
Heavy smoking, heavy drinking, throat cancer and vocal chord problems, it's a wonder he could hold a note really but as the decline was gradual it didn't really show till the return of Alan for the FF reunions when suddenly it became obvious just how much range and power he'd lost. Not forgetting that he never actually had throat cancer, he was just sent for tests on suspicion. I believe the real problem was nodules, which are a sign in themselves that the vocal chords are under strain. IOW the problem was a symptom, not a cause. To my ears also he was coping better during the 2014 FF than he was in 2013. But it came and went. Yep. When Elton John had nodules removed he went from a tenor to a baritone.
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Mar 5, 2017 23:14:57 GMT
Heavy smoking, heavy drinking, throat cancer and vocal chord problems, it's a wonder he could hold a note really but as the decline was gradual it didn't really show till the return of Alan for the FF reunions when suddenly it became obvious just how much range and power he'd lost. Not forgetting that he never actually had throat cancer, he was just sent for tests on suspicion. I believe the real problem was nodules, which are a sign in themselves that the vocal chords are under strain. IOW the problem was a symptom, not a cause. To my ears also he was coping better during the 2014 FF than he was in 2013. But it came and went. Robert Plant and Ian Gillan have had them removed. Look how their voices deterioated over the years, even Freddie Mercury had them though his voice remained fairly strong even though he was dying of Aids by 1989.
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