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Post by curiousgirl on Jan 25, 2017 22:49:44 GMT
That changed the dynamics of the band for sure. They toured together of course but back then travelling from OZ was hard work. Alan has also said at that time they never used to eat properly that made things difficult plus by 1977 the Coke had started. Which is a very interesting point.... Living On An Island, written and released in 1979, has a line about "working on another line" Francis has made a number of references about been out of it on Coke during the late 70s So where has the story about "starting Coke in 1980" in Ireland come from? I'm Irish and while I wasn't born or alive during in 1980, I know Ireland was completely and utterly arseways back then, that Cocaine would have been near impossible to get for another 4 years I hadn't heard that one about coke in Ireland FW. I know they first tried it in Canada in the 70s. Well of course I don't know. But I've heard an interview with F&R and that's what they said. Francis said it got into it around the time he also hit the tequila and wrote Margie time. But that's late, 83. I believe he'd given up by 88 and he was on it for 10 years which makes starting in late 70s. When was his tax year in Co Clare? Is that the period he's referring to? Its when Rick was on his island.
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Post by freewilly on Jan 25, 2017 22:50:48 GMT
Which is a very interesting point.... Living On An Island, written and released in 1979, has a line about "working on another line" Francis has made a number of references about been out of it on Coke during the late 70s So where has the story about "starting Coke in 1980" in Ireland come from? I'm Irish and while I wasn't born or alive during in 1980, I know Ireland was completely and utterly arseways back then, that Cocaine would have been near impossible to get for another 4 years Probably not imposible if you had money. Wasn't Phil taking it back then? Though I suppose he might not have spent much time in Ireland in those days. Phil was on a lot of drugs tbh. A lot more than Cocaine in his system. He spent a lot of time in Dublin though, from what I read, when Lizzy weren't working. Like Adam and Larry from U2, but don't ask Irish people about that
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Post by Quoincidence on Jan 25, 2017 22:53:07 GMT
If Quo had cracked America, they'd probably have had a bigger drug problem than they did... and the FF would not have lasted till the 90's at all! considering that Quo had to do stunts just to stay in the public eye throughout that period doesn't mean the Frantics would be any different. Albums were going to shit during the early 80's and to even bring it back up to a standard that would please Quo fans, they would have to take a few years off to simply have a break and get their musical juices flowing again... and it would give Rossi the ability to blow off some steam and try his solo career like he wanted to. True and while it's sad that we have now lost Ricky. I think if they had made it in the states we would have lost him much earlier. That's what happened to Steve Clark. I was going to use Def Leppard as an example. Once they made it in America, it started becoming a rare occasion that they'd perform in the UK... They do the odd gig here every now and then but spend more of their time playing in the US. Steve Clark was a phenomenal guitarist! Not a fan of Vivian Campbell at all...
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Post by freewilly on Jan 25, 2017 22:53:56 GMT
Which is a very interesting point.... Living On An Island, written and released in 1979, has a line about "working on another line" Francis has made a number of references about been out of it on Coke during the late 70s So where has the story about "starting Coke in 1980" in Ireland come from? I'm Irish and while I wasn't born or alive during in 1980, I know Ireland was completely and utterly arseways back then, that Cocaine would have been near impossible to get for another 4 years I hadn't heard that one about coke in Ireland FW. I know they first tried it in Canada in the 70s. Well of course I don't know. But I've heard an interview with F&R and that's what they said. Francis said it got into it around the time he also hit the tequila and wrote Margie time. But that's late, 83. I believe he'd given up by 88 and he was on it for 10 years which makes starting in late 70s. When was his tax year in Co Clare? Is that the period he's referring to? Its when Rick was on his island. Yeah the story about Canada was doing the rounds. They both said they tried it once there but it had no affect on them. But, they tried it during the Supposin sessions, here in Ireland and that was 1980...But, that doesn't add up considering the references to it in the 70's material and Rossi's references about being "out of it" on Cocaine in the 70s. Rossi apparently lived all over the place when he was here. Don't know that for a fact though
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Jan 25, 2017 22:59:48 GMT
I hadn't heard that one about coke in Ireland FW. I know they first tried it in Canada in the 70s. Well of course I don't know. But I've heard an interview with F&R and that's what they said. Francis said it got into it around the time he also hit the tequila and wrote Margie time. But that's late, 83. I believe he'd given up by 88 and he was on it for 10 years which makes starting in late 70s. When was his tax year in Co Clare? Is that the period he's referring to? Its when Rick was on his island. Yeah the story about Canada was doing the rounds. They both said they tried it once there but it had no affect on them. But, they tried it during the Supposin sessions, here in Ireland and that was 1980...But, that doesn't add up considering the references to it in the 70's material and Rossi's references about being "out of it" on Cocaine in the 70s. Rossi apparently lived all over the place when he was here. Don't know that for a fact though I think the tax year was 78/79. That would make sense politcally as the Tories got in during 79. Another problem was that JC was not a smoker or a drug taker. So while the other 3/4 (Bob included) were partaking of said substances. JC was just getting drunk, something evidently had to give. The fact that someone heard JC actually crying in his hotel room shows that things were just getting too much for him.
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Post by Quoincidence on Jan 25, 2017 23:00:36 GMT
Which is a very interesting point.... Living On An Island, written and released in 1979, has a line about "working on another line" Francis has made a number of references about been out of it on Coke during the late 70s So where has the story about "starting Coke in 1980" in Ireland come from? I'm Irish and while I wasn't born or alive during in 1980, I know Ireland was completely and utterly arseways back then, that Cocaine would have been near impossible to get for another 4 years I hadn't heard that one about coke in Ireland FW. I know they first tried it in Canada in the 70s. Well of course I don't know. But I've heard an interview with F&R and that's what they said. Francis said it got into it around the time he also hit the tequila and wrote Margie time. But that's late, 83. I believe he'd given up by 88 and he was on it for 10 years which makes starting in late 70s. When was his tax year in Co Clare? Is that the period he's referring to? Its when Rick was on his island. Yeah 1988 is definitely when it'd gone out of the window... you can see that both Rossi and Rick look much 'cleaner' than they did in ''86.
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Jan 25, 2017 23:04:41 GMT
I hadn't heard that one about coke in Ireland FW. I know they first tried it in Canada in the 70s. Well of course I don't know. But I've heard an interview with F&R and that's what they said. Francis said it got into it around the time he also hit the tequila and wrote Margie time. But that's late, 83. I believe he'd given up by 88 and he was on it for 10 years which makes starting in late 70s. When was his tax year in Co Clare? Is that the period he's referring to? Its when Rick was on his island. Yeah 1988 is definitely when it'd gone out of the window... you can see that both Rossi and Rick look much 'cleaner' than they did in ''86. 88 was the year they toured Russia I think. They couldn't get any there so that helped Francis kick it.
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Post by freewilly on Jan 25, 2017 23:05:23 GMT
Yeah the story about Canada was doing the rounds. They both said they tried it once there but it had no affect on them. But, they tried it during the Supposin sessions, here in Ireland and that was 1980...But, that doesn't add up considering the references to it in the 70's material and Rossi's references about being "out of it" on Cocaine in the 70s. Rossi apparently lived all over the place when he was here. Don't know that for a fact though I think the tax year was 78/79. That would make sense politcally as the Tories got in during 79. Another problem was that JC was not a smoker or a drug taker. So while the other 3/4 (Bob included) were partaking of said substances. JC was just getting drunk, something evidently had to give. The fact that someone heard JC actually crying in his hotel room shows that things were just getting too much for him. I am very curious about Alan and whether he got into cocaine or not.... He's adamant he never got involved in Cocaine. I've never seen a picture of Alan from back then where he looks out of it. It's always Rick and Francis that get labelled with the Cocaine addition. I know there are certain fans that, if someone says "Francis took cocaine," that they'll retort by saying "Oh so did Alan!! How dare you say such a thing" but, I don't see any evidence. Even Francis has never made reference to Alan taking it
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Jan 25, 2017 23:08:03 GMT
I think the tax year was 78/79. That would make sense politcally as the Tories got in during 79. Another problem was that JC was not a smoker or a drug taker. So while the other 3/4 (Bob included) were partaking of said substances. JC was just getting drunk, something evidently had to give. The fact that someone heard JC actually crying in his hotel room shows that things were just getting too much for him. I am very curious about Alan and whether he got into cocaine or not.... He's adamant he never got involved in Cocaine. I've never seen a picture of Alan from back then where he looks out of it. It's always Rick and Francis that get labelled with the Cocaine addition. I know there are certain fans that, if someone says "Francis took cocaine," that they'll retort by saying "Oh so did Alan!! How dare you say such a thing" but, I don't see any evidence. Even Francis has never made reference to Alan taking it I have heard people say Alan took it. I'm not sure on that he did smoke dope though, and that used to upset John cause they would all be laughing at something daft and he would not understand why they were laughing.
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Post by freewilly on Jan 25, 2017 23:11:28 GMT
I am very curious about Alan and whether he got into cocaine or not.... He's adamant he never got involved in Cocaine. I've never seen a picture of Alan from back then where he looks out of it. It's always Rick and Francis that get labelled with the Cocaine addition. I know there are certain fans that, if someone says "Francis took cocaine," that they'll retort by saying "Oh so did Alan!! How dare you say such a thing" but, I don't see any evidence. Even Francis has never made reference to Alan taking it I have heard people say Alan took it. I'm not sure on that he did smoke dope though, and that used to upset John cause they would all be laughing at something daft and he would not understand why they were laughing.Oh I know Alan smoked dope. Even Francis has said many times that they were all on speed during the BFY sessions. John must have put it in his drink I honestly don't believe he was on Cocaine though. No evidence and Francis has never said he took it, but he dobbed others in it. Plus, he lived thousands of miles away most of the time and he's said once or twice he'd be shocked when he came back over to see the two of them and management hooked on it
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Jan 25, 2017 23:14:36 GMT
I have heard people say Alan took it. I'm not sure on that he did smoke dope though, and that used to upset John cause they would all be laughing at something daft and he would not understand why they were laughing. Oh I know Alan smoked dope. Even Francis has said many times that they were all on speed during the BFY sessions. John must have put it in his drink I honestly don't believe he was on Cocaine though. No evidence and Francis has never said he took it, but he dobbed others in it. Plus, he lived thousands of miles away most of the time and he's said once or twice he'd be shocked when he came back over to see the two of them and management hooked on it That would tie in with everything else. If Alan was over in OZ when not working with the band. The others (management included) were over here getting drunk and off thier heads. It was around this time that Alan started making waves with the management about money. So he was evidently with it enough to see something was going wrong. While the others were in no state to do anything and were easy to manipulate.
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Post by hawkquo on Jan 25, 2017 23:17:43 GMT
At the end of the day the only person who's business it is as to whether Alan got into coke is Alan himself.
I'd say there are very few musicians from the era of the 70's who haven't had a dalliance with the old Nikki Lauder at one point of another, if for no other reason than it was readily available and they're curious, however if your to believe Rick and Francis they couldn't enjoy the odd line here or there but instead got heavily addicted to the stuff, and i think it's quite clear that in no way did Alan involve himself like that, either that or he was much better at hiding it! which personally i don't think is the case, but who knows.
Can't speak from personal experience but i would imagine being around 2 individuals constantly doing the stuff would wear you down, you'd be seen as an outsider and not privvy to their little in jokes, whilst all the time the paranoia is also growing, certainly not my idea of fun!
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Post by curiousgirl on Jan 26, 2017 0:04:43 GMT
I hadn't heard that one about coke in Ireland FW. I know they first tried it in Canada in the 70s. Well of course I don't know. But I've heard an interview with F&R and that's what they said. Francis said it got into it around the time he also hit the tequila and wrote Margie time. But that's late, 83. I believe he'd given up by 88 and he was on it for 10 years which makes starting in late 70s. When was his tax year in Co Clare? Is that the period he's referring to? Its when Rick was on his island. Yeah the story about Canada was doing the rounds. They both said they tried it once there but it had no affect on them. But, they tried it during the Supposin sessions, here in Ireland and that was 1980...But, that doesn't add up considering the references to it in the 70's material and Rossi's references about being "out of it" on Cocaine in the 70s. Rossi apparently lived all over the place when he was here. Don't know that for a fact though According to the bio XS All Areas, he was living in Dromoland Castle in 79.
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Jan 26, 2017 11:31:39 GMT
The mid and late 80s were the time I was doing most of my reading on Quo (including any older stuff I could get hold of, which was quite a lot) and the consistent impression was that F&R were heavily into cocaine (and tequila) at that time and Alan wasn't. Whatever he or anyone may have tried an odd time at parties, he wasn't "into" it. Francis at least was even confessing right back then that it was causing problems - but it took him a while to give it up. I didn't realise there was a "break point" for him in 1988, but that makes sense alongside everything else.
I can't remember when he was pulled up before the beak for possession (he left it in his car at an airport carpark, and someone broke into the car ... police checked the car and found it in the glove box! Whoever broke into the car clearly wasn't after drugs. It was before 1985, I think. Interestingly, looking back on it, F never tried to claim it had been planted by whoever broke into the car, I seem to recall he just pleaded guilty and was fined. But he didn't give up as a result of this.
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