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Post by freewilly on Jul 1, 2023 19:54:23 GMT
That came with them. Not talking about pre 1977. That's gold...
Listening to Goin Nowhere... I think they're genuinely great lyrics and they hit home with me. Yet, the music doesn't deliver them to the heart the way they should.
Discuss
EDIT: I should point out, I'm not sure why wrote the lyrics when he was with Bob and Bernie. Either way, point still stands
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Post by curiousgirl on Jul 1, 2023 21:03:59 GMT
I had never heard that track before. And now I've listened to it twice.
Agree that the lyrics are good and meaningful.
If I didn't know it was a Quo track, music-wise, I quite liked it; it grew on me. But it would be great to hear the song with another arrangement. I'm not a musician, as you are. But something isn't working for me but I didn't hate it.
by the way, how do we know who wrote the lyrics? In early interviews, Francis would say he struggled with them.
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Post by allyp on Jul 1, 2023 21:30:09 GMT
The majority of Francis’s songs on albums were Mainly written by Bob Young or Bernie Frost francis has been mainly for the musical side of collaborations.
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Post by freewilly on Jul 1, 2023 22:34:10 GMT
I'm not a musician, as you are. Believe me... I often question that myself and cry. But that's our next therapy session haha. When there is meaningful lyrics, the music has to back it up. Take for example, Thought I'd Died I'd Gone To Heaven by Bryan Adams. Very easy to think it's about a one night stand. Put the music behind it, which is incredibly simple, it turns into this love anthem. I use Goin Nowhere as an example. I'm not afraid to admit I struggle at times. I'm 34 and through various episodes in my late teens and all through my 20s, I'm only living my life now and I'm still making mistakes teenagers would do and most times I feel down. I'm sure I'm one of many millions who have the same mindset. So those lyrics, they hit home, yet the music that accompanies the message, is quite frankly bland and lazy. So it doesn't stay with you. I think lyrics like that deserve a better backing
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Post by mortified on Jul 2, 2023 6:46:25 GMT
I think this is one of those things where people often say things like "what's your favourite Quo song?" when they actually mean Quo track. There is a difference between the 'song' and the overall composition. For me anyway. The lyrics can be as daft or mundane as you like, but if the music grabs me, I'm in. Good lyrics are a bonus for me. Although I admit that sometimes dodgy lyrics can detract from the listening pleasure. I find that something like Creeping Up On You is a case in point. I liked the track (still do) because it drove along nicely, but some of the lyrics made me wince, especially when plagiarising Jerry Lee Lewis, which I presume was deliberate. As freewilly points out, lyrics can be very good indeed but if the music that accompanies them falls short, they get lost or forgotten. They become irrelevant to the listener because the track isn't played that often. It's a delicate balancing exercise for the composer(s). But, for me, you have to get the music right first and foremost. That's what grabs most people first. Add genuinely great lyrics and you have a gem on your hands. Coming from a non-musician who has no artistic skills whatsoever
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Post by ant on Jul 2, 2023 12:59:17 GMT
I really, really like Goin' Nowhere. When I first heard it I thought the album was going to be great though a little more melodic. As it was, it was melodic with no rock. Clearly an experiment by Francis to move them in a more meodic direction which didn't work. I still like the track.
As for lyrics - the songs with Bob involved before AND after Bernie Frost were infinitely better aside for the odd one or two with Bernie, s I would say Rossi's partners had more influence on the lyrics. Bob is a poet (whether in the wings or not).
Worst lyric on any Quo song? "the council put there in the street" That made, makes and will always make me wince!
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Post by Quoincidence on Jul 2, 2023 13:12:26 GMT
There's an unreleased version of Goin Nowhere with a middle section that was cut out of the final mix
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Post by granny on Jul 2, 2023 14:47:46 GMT
The Rossi/Young collaboration worked very well for fitting words and music together. Bob polished the lyrics but Francis obviously had a personal input. Two examples from ISOTFC album - Electric Arena and Tongue Tied.
And from Francis's solo album One Step at a Time, Tallulah's Waiting, which illustrates a theme he has frequently talked about in interviews.
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Post by quovadis on Jul 2, 2023 17:20:12 GMT
Sorry maybe gud lyrics awful song from a dire album imo
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Post by col on Jul 2, 2023 18:30:43 GMT
I find that bad lyrics can spoil a good song.
Good lyrics cannot save a bad song.
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Post by curiousgirl on Jul 2, 2023 20:47:55 GMT
I hear what you're saying about the music freewillyAnd agree, that the music in the official version is bland. But look at these 2 different version of Walls by Tom Petty. A song with very meaningful lyrics and I've got very attached to recently. I know well and love, Walls no 3 from Album Angel Dream. But when searching for the lyrics just now, I've heard the official version which I really don't like. 1st is original version. Now the version I prefer.
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Post by curiousgirl on Jul 2, 2023 20:52:40 GMT
Less is more, in my book. I've just found this acoustic version by the Lumineers. Goosebumps!
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Post by dennis on Jul 2, 2023 23:59:01 GMT
The Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers album Songs and Music from the Motion Picture "She's the One" features the track twice:
the opening track Walls (Circus) - which I think seems to be the same as your first track, as far as I can tell, and near the end of the album there's your second track Walls (No. 3)
Although it's sort of the same song, it's also not quite the same song. The slight difference in the lyrics changes the meaning slightly & the different musical arrangement changes the feel & tone of the song.
Similarly, John Lennon's Revolution 1 on The Beatles [White Album] & their single release of Revolution from the same era has marked differences in the musical arrangement & some subtle differences on the lyrics that can have a big impact on the way the listener experiences the track.
Interestingly, the revisit to the album "She's the One" 25 years on lead to the release of the album "Angel Dream", which added a few out-takes, rejigged the track listing & dropped a few tracks - including Walls (Circus). So maybe your opinion was shared by others.
However, I'm afraid I don't share your opinion regarding the Lumineers version - it sounds more like open mike night to me
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Post by curiousgirl on Jul 3, 2023 9:28:14 GMT
Thanks so much dennis for explaining the 2 versions. I shall listen again to the lyrics more closely. You may be right about the Lumineers version...
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Post by No Contract on Jul 3, 2023 18:39:23 GMT
The Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers album Songs and Music from the Motion Picture "She's the One" features the track twice: the opening track Walls (Circus) - which I think seems to be the same as your first track, as far as I can tell, and near the end of the album there's your second track Walls (No. 3) I thought I was the only person who knew that album! I bought it when it came out, after watching the film and enjoying the soundtrack. There are some excellent tracks on there! Back to the original question, I very rarely listen to the lyrics of any song by any band (perhaps Floyd being the exception).
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