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Post by thewildone on Jun 7, 2022 21:04:22 GMT
Is it all that??
Listened to it a few times, but not grabbing me.
Rockers Rollin', what has he done to the riff?
ROATW, the drums sound awful
Dirty Water, not as good as original, Sped up.
And others, just sounds a bit dull.
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Post by Rossi's septum on Jun 7, 2022 21:29:06 GMT
I agree with you about the missing guitarbits on Rockers Rollin'. To me they are so essential to that song. The remix version of RR is too stripped imo.
Few more songs on the remix that suffer from the same. Overall sound is better than the original mix though.
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Post by Quoincidence on Jun 7, 2022 21:37:43 GMT
Is it all that?? Listened to it a few times, but not grabbing me. Rockers Rollin', what has he done to the riff? ROATW, the drums sound awful Dirty Water, not as good as original, Sped up. And others, just sounds a bit dull. Rossi wanted it to be sped up, to the sort of speed they played it live. And, iirc, John added a triggered snare to the actual snare to beef it up. Can't remember properly off the top of my head |
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Post by thewildone on Jun 7, 2022 21:47:11 GMT
I agree with you about the missing guitarbits on Rockers Rollin'. To me they are so essential to that song. The remix version of RR is too stripped imo. Few more songs on the remix that suffer from the same. Overall sound is better than the original mix though. for me, it just does not have the guts and drive as predicted. It's different from the original, but no better. |
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Post by sqcollector on Jun 7, 2022 22:00:33 GMT
Is it all that?? ROATW, the drums sound awful To me this is the worst jab on the original tracks... Always liked the sound of the snare on the title track. When the remix came out, I couldn't wait to listen to that snare with better definition. I was disappointed; couldn't believe it was the same snare, even the same snare track... Sounded very artificial. Then john Eden released the videos explaining how he mixed the tracks and he explained that he used a drum sample over ROATW's snare... A drum sample... Can't Give You More also suffered a lot, with the piano being too buried and some of the percussion gone. There are other things I don't like. Like the obvious automations. I don't like to hear that the mixer boosted the volume here and there; it's distracting and just removes the magic. It's like watching a magic trick without the magic. The mastering also hurt the album. Distortion, exaggerated bass... Anyway. (John, try to release the masters via hi res, what do you think? eheh I believe UMC probably owns them, though.) I know I'm complaining, but not all is bad, of course. Love the extra length on the tracks. Really like Hold You Back. I'm very glad John did the remix, for real! He just took some decisions I wouldn't have taken, that's all. And, of course, many thanks to him for those videos explaining how he mixed the tracks. I wish all albums ever released had that ahah |
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Post by mortified on Jun 8, 2022 4:31:17 GMT
It felt like a new Quo album to me. A good one. I really like it. The technical stuff I haven't a clue about. I just know I preferred it to the original (which I also liked, incidentally). Even just the all round clarity of sound and volume was enough. For me, Who Am I eventually became the best track on the album over the years. And the re-mix didn't change that. It's still superb  |
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Post by matt on Jun 8, 2022 6:45:19 GMT
I’ve always loved who am i.
John said that he had to drastically alter the arrangement out of necessity. Having the magnetic tapes rolled up for 40 years created some weird effects on the recordings.
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Post by matt on Jun 8, 2022 6:47:52 GMT
I think John did a commendable job but the fact remains that the instruments sound like they were recorded in isolation. It’s very clean compared to what went before. There’s no live feel at all, apart from maybe hold you back.
I’m a layman of course but a little more room ambience, more bollocks to the guitars and bass in terms of low end would have helped.
Also spuds drums. If you listen to say his playing and sound on Mystery Song, and then compare it to anything on Rockin, it’s night and day.
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Post by fretbuzzzzz on Jun 14, 2022 23:12:24 GMT
I haven't listened to the re-mix for quite a time but courtesy of this thread I have put it in the CD player in the car this week whilst out working. John Eden probably knew he wouldn't please all the people all of the time with his re-mix.
The original Rockin' album seems to have courted plenty of negativity over the years, compared to other albums, even though it had been a commercial success in a sense. John Eden had been 'one voice, singing in the darkness' in terms of doing anything about a re-mix for the fans from within Quo quarters. Pip wasn't really committed to the idea and Rossi initially showed some interest in terms of input, as mentioned with 'Dirty Water' for instance, but ultimately there wasn't any serious promotion of the re-mix album. Quite disappointing in some respects bearing in mind the devotion and graft that Eden had put into the whole project.
For me (and possibly for many Quo punters) the original album had been far too 'busy' and to that end John Eden really did de-clutter with his re-mix. There will be winners and losers in all this as some fans have particular memories of the original album. For me, with 'For You', I enjoyed the lead guitar riffs through the original mix of the song, but John removed them. Though on the positive side, John really enhanced the clarity of that song and the guitar arpeggios in particular.
Overall the re-mix album sounds more rounded, substantial and with clarity. Vocals enhanced including harmonies, more evident robust guitar interplay and generally a wider sounding spectrum with some depth. It was a labour of love from John Eden and for me personally the re-mix gives some idea of what the true recordings were all about in the studio before the compromised original mixing of the album.
'Hard Time', 'Can't Give You More' and 'Hold You Back' are etched in my mind with the original album from '77 as something different but quality from Quo and the re-mix has given them more kudos to my mind.
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Post by mortified on Jun 15, 2022 4:41:28 GMT
I think most of us would agree, from producer to band to fans, that the original album didn't turn out as expected, principally because of the well documented sound issues. A lot of that, from what I've read since, seems to have been down to the final mixing and squeezing the 12 tracks on to the vinyl.
Whatever the reasons, John Eden did a sterling job in tidying the whole thing up to give us an album where the quality of the material was finally allowed to shine through. But the bottom line is, if you didn't like the original, you're probably not going to like the re-mix.
There are one or two albums (not Quo's) from the 70's and 80's that I can think of that would benefit from similar treatment.
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Post by Gaz on Jun 15, 2022 11:19:32 GMT
Is it all that?? Listened to it a few times, but not grabbing me. Rockers Rollin', what has he done to the riff? ROATW, the drums sound awful Dirty Water, not as good as original, Sped up. And others, just sounds a bit dull. Are you kidding me? The squealing keyboards have been turned down a bit and Alan has rightfully had his bass cranked up. I now have put this album alongside their best albums. Can’t Give You More simply rocks through the outro with John and Alan shining pure Quo topped off with the classic piano from Andy. |
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Post by sincity on Jun 15, 2022 18:46:40 GMT
I think its absolutely superb myself, if it had come out in that form day one it wouldnt of got the derision it did imo. Ive never played the original since i got the remix & im pretty sure i never will.
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Post by MrWaistcoat on Jun 15, 2022 20:54:03 GMT
It's great, love it
Also prefer the running order, which I hadn't expected all these years later
Rick's boyish enthusiasm at start of RR is a joy to hear , as is the fresh sounding classic we are left with. Some added bits and band talking etc is icing on the cake. I don't prefer any of the original versions and can't imagine listening to the orig album again
Reissue was my favorite of the lot. Also really like some of the demos
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Post by railroad007 on Jun 17, 2022 21:34:10 GMT
It felt like a new Quo album to me. A good one. I really like it. The technical stuff I haven't a clue about. I just know I preferred it to the original (which I also liked, incidentally). Even just the all round clarity of sound and volume was enough. For me, Who Am I eventually became the best track on the album over the years. And the re-mix didn't change that. It's still superb  Who Am I? Written by a west country farmer. |
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Post by dennis on Jun 18, 2022 1:19:14 GMT
I like the remix. However, I suppose that you can't put in the missing ooomph if it's not there on the tapes to be brought out.
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