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Post by freewilly on Apr 9, 2022 16:23:34 GMT
They only became successful when he joined.
He made the harmonies!
IMO, his songs saved the Quo brand in 1986
He's the reason why people came to see the band as he made the sound.
Francis and Alan's solo offering are not to my liking but Rick's.... I really enjoy both of his offers. The other two, can't get through the first few tracks...
Discuss...
This isn't a old vs new type thing btw. Was listening to Lies earlier and that rhythm... Fuck me!
EDIT: Might piss people off and I'm sorry but, I've seen clips of the recent tour. It's not awful... Far from it but, the sound is missing. Rossi seemingly doesn't care, the rest of them are nonchalant, to me anyways.
You can never replace Rick but, for me, I hate it. It's not the Quo I know. Rick's playing and his power compensated for Alan's absence (Nowt bad against Rhino, just different styles)
I miss Rick
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Post by mortified on Apr 10, 2022 6:54:33 GMT
They only became successful when he joined. He made the harmonies! IMO, his songs saved the Quo brand in 1986He's the reason why people came to see the band as he made the sound. Francis and Alan's solo offering are not to my liking but Rick's.... I really enjoy both of his offers. The other two, can't get through the first few tracks... Discuss... This isn't a old vs new type thing btw. Was listening to Lies earlier and that rhythm... Fuck me! EDIT: Might piss people off and I'm sorry but, I've seen clips of the recent tour. It's not awful... Far from it but, the sound is missing. Rossi seemingly doesn't care, the rest of them are nonchalant, to me anyways. You can never replace Rick but, for me, I hate it. It's not the Quo I know. Rick's playing and his power compensated for Alan's absence (Nowt bad against Rhino, just different styles) I miss Rick I don't think I agree with that. In fact, I'm sure I don't. Thousands of people didn't pitch up to see Rick, they came to see Quo. OK, a different Quo but Quo nonetheless. And they kept on coming. I agree that Rick's playing (and vocals) are missed. He was a unique musician and hugely underrated except by Quo fans. From the opening bars of Caroline to the magnificent rhythm playing on Goodbye Baby, he was the best at what he did. He also drove the first reunion tour almost single handed. I wonder how Backbone would have sounded had he played on it. Hard to tell with Francis producing. We all miss him. But he'd have been 74 this year. Playing the way he did at that age would have taken some doing. |
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Post by fredbloggs on Apr 10, 2022 11:11:31 GMT
IMO, his songs saved the Quo brand in 1986 Whilst I agree that he was an essential part of the chemistry and sound which made Quo famous, I'd be interested to hear more on this comment / his songs having "saved the brand"? The only one of his earlier songs to really help the brand in an ongoing way is Whatever You Want, as (along with RAOTW, ITAN & Down Down) it's one of the relatively few Quo songs which are really widely known outside of the fanbase. - tracks (co) written on ITAN in 1986: Save me, End of the line, Overdose. Hardly chart hit material, or even known by anything other than fairly dedicated fans. - hit singles written since 1986: Aint Complaining, It's Christmas Time. - tracks where he sang lead which the record company thought strong enough to release as singles since 1986: 3x Anniversary Waltz co-lead on vocals is about it...... To me, it was his energy / being able to play relentlessly like a machine while on stage that was his epic contribution to the 'brand' in and after 1986, along with the cheeky-chappie double act with Francis. All IMHO of course  |
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Post by matt on Apr 10, 2022 12:55:01 GMT
Forced to agree with the previous two posts.
Rick came across as a very likeable roguish guy who did what he did superbly. However to say he kept the Quo brand going post 86 is baloney.
His songs deteriorated into interchangeable pastiches of themselves. Halloween, let’s rock, creeping, the loving game, one for the money, man overboard, shine on, etc etc. And I thought the odd nugget aside his ballads were off. Mystery island, this is me, familiar blues. He didn’t write much - sometimes not at all and was absent from some lf the records entirely
That said he was the powerhouse live. Watch the footage of the Download festival. Incredible. So I miss his presence live more than on record tbh. They haven’t sounded like they do live in decades anyway, so that’s probably another reason why
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Post by curiousgirl on Apr 10, 2022 14:44:00 GMT
Interesting post Freewilly.
I think Rick was the missing piece of the quartet. Sorry Roy.
After not hearing a Quo gig since 1984, the first one I heard was the Radio 2 - 2011 to launch Quid Pro Quo. And I enjoyed it but something didn't feel right. I thought, maybe I'd gone off Quo. And then 2013 came along... I heard what was missing for me.
In terms of solo, I quite like Rick's album, I quite like Francis's. I don't favour one over the other. I would love to hear an album from John's band after the recent singles. Fingers crossed we do.
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Post by freewilly on Apr 10, 2022 19:44:32 GMT
IMO, his songs saved the Quo brand in 1986 Whilst I agree that he was an essential part of the chemistry and sound which made Quo famous, I'd be interested to hear more on this comment / his songs having "saved the brand"? The only one of his earlier songs to really help the brand in an ongoing way is Whatever You Want, as (along with RAOTW, ITAN & Down Down) it's one of the relatively few Quo songs which are really widely known outside of the fanbase. - tracks (co) written on ITAN in 1986: Save me, End of the line, Overdose. Hardly chart hit material, or even known by anything other than fairly dedicated fans. - hit singles written since 1986: Aint Complaining, It's Christmas Time. - tracks where he sang lead which the record company thought strong enough to release as singles since 1986: 3x Anniversary Waltz co-lead on vocals is about it...... To me, it was his energy / being able to play relentlessly like a machine while on stage that was his epic contribution to the 'brand' in and after 1986, along with the cheeky-chappie double act with Francis. All IMHO of course What I mean is, without his songs in 1985/86, there is no album. Francis wasn't exactly prolific at the time |
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Post by fredbloggs on Apr 11, 2022 12:16:27 GMT
What I mean is, without his songs in 1985/86, there is no album. Francis wasn't exactly prolific at the time Still not sure I see this - Rick co-wrote 3 songs on the album, Francis co-wrote 4 (one of which, Save me, they did together). Francis is also known as the fan of John David songs - so he was presumably the one really championing Rollin' Home and Red Sky. That leaves two more tracks, ITAN and Speechless as being penned by other external writers. Would there have been an album without those three Rick contributed? Yeah, I think there would, Bernie Frost would've been the one to write "Save Me" with Francis instead, they'd have found another old Rossi/Young song, another John David song or another track to cover. |
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Post by sqcollector on Apr 11, 2022 15:13:11 GMT
Or they'd just have made a smaller album, with 8 or 9 songs.
I really like Rick and his input during this time, but I don't think the album would have not been released if Rick hadn't written anything, post Live Aid.
And, like mentioned, it really weren't his songs that helped bringing Quo forward, at that time. The singles for the return album were John David's songs, a Francis' song and ITAN, that Francis really wanted to record. All sung by Francis.
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Post by freewilly on Apr 15, 2022 20:42:21 GMT
I made this thread whilst drunk and listening to Army and Rick's songs made that Album for me and JDs songs. Not Francis'... Hence this thread. I am baffled by the praise for Francis over that album though. A cover and a frw rejects that Rick, Alan and John declinwd on..
Although, I love Invitation but, that's Pip
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Post by blagult on Apr 17, 2022 18:02:50 GMT
It doesn’t matter whAt side of the fence you fall on. Army is a crap album. Probably the reason for the lack of discussion.
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Post by viza on Apr 19, 2022 17:06:47 GMT
Rick was very important for Quo's success, but so was Francis, Alan and John. It was the interplay between them all that made their sound. It was a team and not one guy with a couple of backing musicians. That was their strength.
I don't think that Rick would have been a guarantee for success if he joined another band, nor Francis, Alan or John.
Post 1984 their strengt as a unit was gone but they took advantage of the fact that they were already an established act instead and managed to hold on.
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