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Post by matt on Oct 1, 2019 21:03:40 GMT
Thatās another good point. Francis and ricks lives were deep in the shit in the mid 80s. Why would Francis risk his now stable happy life. I totally get that. Rick was apparently someone who never quite found contentment.
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Oct 1, 2019 21:10:24 GMT
Thatās another good point. Francis and ricks lives were deep in the shit in the mid 80s. Why would Francis risk his now stable happy life. I totally get that. Rick was apparently someone who never quite found contentment. Again in Francis book Rick is described as even more insecure than Francis. There's one part where David Walker said to Rick "You have 2 years left and that's it" I think this was around 2000. Rick apparently freaked out and went and told Francis, he was livid with Walker because he had not spoke to him about it. No he went to Rick to get him to speak to Francis but he knew that Rick would panic.
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Post by fretbuzzzzz on Oct 1, 2019 21:33:42 GMT
Whilst the issues with Alan were part of the problem with the reunion. In his book Francis says that after the gigs everyone hit the bar and that's something he no longer does. I get this as he is a recovering addict he does not want to fall into the trap of drinking again as he knows it may lead him back to try coke again and hes not going there. Rick on the other hand embraced the after partys and really should not have done so as his health was getting worse. I think this was another reason why Francis did not want it to go any further. That does seem plausible, Lord Flash. Going back to the 70s, Francis used to say that he used to be a pain to everyone else as after gigs he wasn't interested in parties or boozing but most likely you would find him in the corner of the room or in his hotel room puffing on funny cigarettes. It was around 1982 that he discovered the Margueritas! He never really liked ale/spirits but preferred sweet tasting drinks. There seems to have always been a drinking culture within Quo. John Coghlan did the booze but didn't do the drugs like the others. Andy B remembers Rick and himself being known as the liquid sisters! Rick and Rhino (Rhino the wino?) used to have it large, as they say, on the tour bus after gigs and that wasn't that long ago. More recently didn't Francis get a bit upset with Rhino, Leon and Richie (Andy?) as they had been out trying the local beverages the night before the gig in the Lake district?
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Post by unspokenwords on Oct 1, 2019 21:40:17 GMT
As a fan I donāt think any of us will enjoy gigs as much as that first time FF in 2013. For me it was incredible. However I also admit that the level of playing wasnāt tight in the least. Not that that spoiled my enjoyment one iota. Spuds drumming. I know he is the original etc etc and he keeps a good beat but really his tempo is all over the place and he seems to miss fills. Just watch BBJ at the 2017 convention. Itās painfully slow towards the end. He comes in two beats early onbackwater in Manchester in 2013 which throws Everyone. These arenāt isolated instances. Thatās said he has moments of the old brilliance and comes across as a really nice chap. Alan. None of Us know the ins and outs of his and Francisās relationship but letās say my sympathy is swinging back to Francis. Alan has a great voice but his playing is now limited or he canāt anymore. I can totally understand Francis not wanting to reform with him. Thatās not to say Alan shouldnāt be bitter, but I think he should look at what it achieves. Itās hard but surely if something is making you that angry for that long, something needs to change. Some of the fans on the old board could do with learning this as well (one parfitt fan in particular if his recent postings kissing Patti parfitts Arse on Facebook are anything to go by. Rick was a legend. His playing was largely exemplary imo Francis played a blinder too. Albeit with more Mistakes than rick Now compare to the Hyde park gig. Tighter than a gnats chuff, free of ego and negativity. Albeit less exciting IMO. I know which one I would prefer were i Francis. Reading this does not relate to the reunions as I hear them and makes me wonder about my sanity and musical taste. They all played a 'blinder' as far as I can see and created the magic that only the four of them together have been able to achieve and to say that "the level of playing wasnāt tight in the least" makes me wonder is the same footage being watched. To analyse it technically beat by beat is obsessive and misses the point completely. The level of playing was amazing after over 30 years apart and i seriously do not think there was any thing wrong with Johns tempo ("tempo is all over the place and he seems to miss fills". ??). They were a band with a feel and sound that is second to none and this is the main aspect. Francis and his band in the intervening period with all the practice and tours don't even come close to this. I watched Francis's band at Hyde Park. It was slick and fast (tempo?) but left me seriously with a sore head as I thought it was wrong on so many levels and I know this robotic rendition is definitely not for me. It probably is right for Francis though but in my eyes he is a lost cause.
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Post by Quoincidence on Oct 1, 2019 21:46:57 GMT
Thatās another good point. Francis and ricks lives were deep in the shit in the mid 80s. Why would Francis risk his now stable happy life. I totally get that. Rick was apparently someone who never quite found contentment. Again in Francis book Rick is described as even more insecure than Francis. There's one part where David Walker said to Rick "You have 2 years left and that's it" I think this was around 2000. Rick apparently freaked out and went and told Francis, he was livid with Walker because he had not spoke to him about it. No he went to Rick to get him to speak to Francis but he knew that Rick would panic.Ā I think this gets touched on in the RTYD Deluxe Booklet... No names are mentioned but Rossi says that someone from the inner circle at the time said "It's all over for you fucking lot, isn't it? Let's make some money while we can". To which he then adds that the person died a few years later and that he was shutting down and wanted to take the band with him... now going from what Rossi says in his book, it's got to be David Walker, as he mentions that David was all about the money and didn't think the band would survive without him.
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Oct 1, 2019 21:50:41 GMT
As a fan I donāt think any of us will enjoy gigs as much as that first time FF in 2013. For me it was incredible. However I also admit that the level of playing wasnāt tight in the least. Not that that spoiled my enjoyment one iota. Spuds drumming. I know he is the original etc etc and he keeps a good beat but really his tempo is all over the place and he seems to miss fills. Just watch BBJ at the 2017 convention. Itās painfully slow towards the end. He comes in two beats early onbackwater in Manchester in 2013 which throws Everyone. These arenāt isolated instances. Thatās said he has moments of the old brilliance and comes across as a really nice chap. Alan. None of Us know the ins and outs of his and Francisās relationship but letās say my sympathy is swinging back to Francis. Alan has a great voice but his playing is now limited or he canāt anymore. I can totally understand Francis not wanting to reform with him. Thatās not to say Alan shouldnāt be bitter, but I think he should look at what it achieves. Itās hard but surely if something is making you that angry for that long, something needs to change. Some of the fans on the old board could do with learning this as well (one parfitt fan in particular if his recent postings kissing Patti parfitts Arse on Facebook are anything to go by. Rick was a legend. His playing was largely exemplary imo Francis played a blinder too. Albeit with more Mistakes than rick Now compare to the Hyde park gig. Tighter than a gnats chuff, free of ego and negativity. Albeit less exciting IMO. I know which one I would prefer were i Francis. Reading this does not relate to the reunions as I hear them and makes me wonder about my sanity and musical taste. They all played a 'blinder' as far as I can see and created the magic that only the four of them together have been able to achieve and to say that "the level of playing wasnāt tight in the least" makes me wonder is the same footage being watched. To analyse it technically beat by beat is obsessive and misses the point completely. The level of playing was amazing after over 30 years apart and i seriously do not think there was any thing wrong with Johns tempo ("tempo is all over the place and he seems to miss fills". ??). They were a band with a feel and sound that is second to none and this is the main aspect. Francis and his band in the intervening period with all the practice and tours don't even come close to this. I watched Francis's band at Hyde Park. It was slick and fast (tempo?) but left me seriously with a sore head as I thought it was wrong on so many levels and I know this robotic rendition is definitely not for me. It probably is right for Francis though but in my eyes he is a lost cause. The only obvious issue I heard John have a problem with was the end of Big Fat Mama. That went wrong a few times on the 1st reunion. the 2nd one was much better. Though he admitted to getting it wrong at Dublin, he could not believe that both times they filmed he made a mistake.
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Post by matt on Oct 1, 2019 21:54:53 GMT
Well I must say I certainly donāt obsess over anything. I notice it with John because itās just that - noticeable.
Watch this footage
At the start Rick sets the tempo before the build up. John comes in late and slow at the 1 Minute mark . Then he does the fill at c1.18 before the singing starts two beats early throwing everyone off. He makes 3 noticeable errors to me in the first Instrumental part of the song.
Why do you think rossi Spent so much time facing the kit And visibly moving with the beat... and John said āRick and Francis work me hard.ā On the documentary I think.
But all those observations aside, yes I agree I would rather watch the FF play backwater. Than probably any song by any band
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Post by Quoincidence on Oct 1, 2019 21:58:49 GMT
Well I must say I certainly donāt obsess over anything. I notice it with John because itās just that - noticeable. Watch this footage At the start Rick sets the tempo before the build up. John comes in late and slow at the 1 Minute mark . Then he does the fill at c1.18 before the singing starts two beats early throwing everyone off. He makes 3 noticeable errors to me in the first Instrumental part of the song. Why do you think rossi Spent so much time facing the kit And visibly moving with the beat... and John said āRick and Francis work me hard.ā On the documentary I think. But all those observations aside, yes I agree I would rather watch the FF play backwater. Than probably any song by any band The 1st reunion tour would have been much better.... had the band spent more the 2 weeks in rehearsal. JCQ play at a much slower tempo than Quo do, and 2 weeks wasn't exactly going to bring John up to speed. But on the 2nd tour he played amazing well, and looked a lot healthier than he did in 2013
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Post by matt on Oct 1, 2019 22:00:02 GMT
Hereās the other example to mind...
Just watch how much the tempo has dropped under johns watch from the start to the 4.50 mark. Then at 5 minutes a new drummer comes in and sets things right. Itās so noticeable. To me any way.
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Post by matt on Oct 1, 2019 22:01:40 GMT
Anyway Iām not here to knock johns drumming. He is a key part of the sound and a thoroughly likeable chap. I think maybe age has caught up with him along with the others š
And for what itās worth the reunion was the best gigs Iāve ever been to, mistakes and all...
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Oct 1, 2019 22:05:30 GMT
Anyway Iām not here to knock johns drumming. He is a key part of the sound and a thoroughly likeable chap. I think maybe age has caught up with him along with the others š And for what itās worth the reunion was the best gigs Iāve ever been to, mistakes and all... Drummers are usually one of the first to suffer problems with age due to the stresses on the body. Neil Peart has retired due to issues with his joints after Dumming for so long. Phil Collins has similar problems to
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Post by azza200 on Oct 1, 2019 22:15:53 GMT
Anyway Iām not here to knock johns drumming. He is a key part of the sound and a thoroughly likeable chap. I think maybe age has caught up with him along with the others š And for what itās worth the reunion was the best gigs Iāve ever been to, mistakes and all... Drummers are usually one of the first to suffer problems with age due to the stresses on the body. Neil Peart has retired due to issues with his joints after Dumming for so long. Phil Collins has similar problems toall that time in the sussudio caught up with phil
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2019 22:26:14 GMT
Drummers are usually one of the first to suffer problems with age due to the stresses on the body. Neil Peart has retired due to issues with his joints after Dumming for so long. Phil Collins has similar problems toall that time in the sussudio caught up with phil nope... a gorilla came along and did it better.
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Post by azza200 on Oct 1, 2019 22:40:56 GMT
all that time in the sussudio caught up with phil nope... a gorilla came along and did it better. so did a deer
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Post by vivfromcov on Oct 1, 2019 22:56:06 GMT
Hey kursaal75 and vivfromcov.. how about giving us some of the goss from the weekend. Did anyone ask Alan about the PLC recordings? for example? Hi Gaz, Sorry I havenāt commented much. Must admit to being a bit disappointed with the comments about Alan. My view is that yes the Rhinos Revenge comment was not very diplomatic but I think he was just saying it jokingly. The remark about ākillingā Francis, if he did say it, was of course also said jokingly. The first one was said on microphone at the end of the Q&Aās but the other (alleged) comment was just a flippant remark and could only have been heard by a few people next in line and not by the whole queue as implied by the poster. This sort of judgemental tale tattling just stirs up something from nothing. Somebody posts something that they think they heard and all of a sudden itās fact. Jumping on the negatives and ignoring the positives. Anyway, enough ranting. The whole weekend was a triumph again. Loved all of the bands, they all played a blinder. Ryderās Creed are fantastic and opened up on Friday with so much energy. Love their version of GGH. Status Quotes from Holland were amazing and did a great set list including favourites Umleitung and Donāt think it Matters. Saturday - Piledriver from Germany also great and ran around the stage like Quo in the old days! State of Quo weāre also great and did a more varied era set list. Rhinos Revenge were excellent, putting on a very professional set. Rhinoās guitarist is fantastic. Sunday, I really enjoyed Jackieās set again followed by my favourites Stated Quo! I have a special bond with them with the same feeling from that magical time of the reunions. RPJ put on a very energetic set and he is a pure showman. A bit āIbizaā at times but heās a great singer and frontman and his band are very good musicians. I would have liked just one more Quo song (Rickās obviously) rather than the medleys he did. (I canāt stand medleys, especially when Highway to Hell is cut short.) And finally JCQ with Jackie, Bob, RPJ and Alan on stage for the emotional finale. Alan sang so strongly it was amazing to hear. Shame it was only for the last part of Roadhouse but he must have known his limitations and sadly he was very frail. In the Q&A Alan and John were asked about PLC and Alan confirmed there were 4 tracks that the 3 of them had contributed to. Rick had put his parts on (not sure if that was just guitar or if there were any backing vocals?) and John had also completed his drums. He did say it would be good if Francis did vocals (and guitar?) on them to create the last Frantic Four recording, but at present there was no sign of him agreeing and so to complete the project they would have to find another singer. Mick Wall suggested there could be someone from the tribute bands but personally I think Alan should just do the lead vocals himself .
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