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Post by matt on Oct 1, 2019 18:36:52 GMT
As a fan I donât think any of us will enjoy gigs as much as that first time FF in 2013. For me it was incredible. However I also admit that the level of playing wasnât tight in the least. Not that that spoiled my enjoyment one iota.
Spuds drumming. I know he is the original etc etc and he keeps a good beat but really his tempo is all over the place and he seems to miss fills. Just watch BBJ at the 2017 convention. Itâs painfully slow towards the end. He comes in two beats early onbackwater in Manchester in 2013 which throws Everyone. These arenât isolated instances. Thatâs said he has moments of the old brilliance and comes across as a really nice chap.
Alan. None of Us know the ins and outs of his and Francisâs relationship but letâs say my sympathy is swinging back to Francis. Alan has a great voice but his playing is now limited or he canât anymore. I can totally understand Francis not wanting to reform with him. Thatâs not to say Alan shouldnât be bitter, but I think he should look at what it achieves. Itâs hard but surely if something is making you that angry for that long, something needs to change. Some of the fans on the old board could do with learning this as well (one parfitt fan in particular if his recent postings kissing Patti parfitts Arse on Facebook are anything to go by.
Rick was a legend. His playing was largely exemplary imo
Francis played a blinder too. Albeit with more Mistakes than rick
Now compare to the Hyde park gig. Tighter than a gnats chuff, free of ego and negativity. Albeit less exciting IMO.
I know which one I would prefer were i Francis.
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Post by Quoincidence on Oct 1, 2019 18:43:51 GMT
As a fan I donât think any of us will enjoy gigs as much as that first time FF in 2013. For me it was incredible. However I also admit that the level of playing wasnât tight in the least. Not that that spoiled my enjoyment one iota. Spuds drumming. I know he is the original etc etc and he keeps a good beat but really his tempo is all over the place and he seems to miss fills. Just watch BBJ at the 2017 convention. Itâs painfully slow towards the end. He comes in two beats early onbackwater in Manchester in 2013 which throws Everyone. These arenât isolated instances. Thatâs said he has moments of the old brilliance and comes across as a really nice chap. Alan. None of Us know the ins and outs of his and Francisâs relationship but letâs say my sympathy is swinging back to Francis. Alan has a great voice but his playing is now limited or he canât anymore. I can totally understand Francis not wanting to reform with him. Thatâs not to say Alan shouldnât be bitter, but I think he should look at what it achieves. Itâs hard but surely if something is making you that angry for that long, something needs to change. Some of the fans on the old board could do with learning this as well (one parfitt fan in particular if his recent postings kissing Patti parfitts Arse on Facebook are anything to go by. Rick was a legend. His playing was largely exemplary imo Francis played a blinder too. Albeit with more Mistakes than rick Now compare to the Hyde park gig. Tighter than a gnats chuff, free of ego and negativity. Albeit less exciting IMO. I know which one I would prefer were i Francis. I think i know who you mean... and if it is the same person, they used to absolutely hate Patty and slagged her off at every chance they could up until recently
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Post by cooliquo on Oct 1, 2019 18:48:14 GMT
As a fan I donât think any of us will enjoy gigs as much as that first time FF in 2013. For me it was incredible. However I also admit that the level of playing wasnât tight in the least. Not that that spoiled my enjoyment one iota. Spuds drumming. I know he is the original etc etc and he keeps a good beat but really his tempo is all over the place and he seems to miss fills. Just watch BBJ at the 2017 convention. Itâs painfully slow towards the end. He comes in two beats early onbackwater in Manchester in 2013 which throws Everyone. These arenât isolated instances. Thatâs said he has moments of the old brilliance and comes across as a really nice chap. Alan. None of Us know the ins and outs of his and Francisâs relationship but letâs say my sympathy is swinging back to Francis. Alan has a great voice but his playing is now limited or he canât anymore. I can totally understand Francis not wanting to reform with him. Thatâs not to say Alan shouldnât be bitter, but I think he should look at what it achieves. Itâs hard but surely if something is making you that angry for that long, something needs to change. Some of the fans on the old board could do with learning this as well (one parfitt fan in particular if his recent postings kissing Patti parfitts Arse on Facebook are anything to go by. Rick was a legend. His playing was largely exemplary imo Francis played a blinder too. Albeit with more Mistakes than rick Now compare to the Hyde park gig. Tighter than a gnats chuff, free of ego and negativity. Albeit less exciting IMO. I know which one I would prefer were i Francis. I think i know who you mean... and if it is the same person, they used to absolutely hate Patty and slagged her off at every chance they could up until recently đ Blond wig, looks like wurzel gummidge... Not Patty, the guy, I mean! Patty is a funny one.. Clearly up in arms by Francis's complaints about Rick towards the end... Even though she bemoans the exact same things about Rick in her book she wrote several years ago. Worse, in fact. đ€
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Post by fretbuzzzzz on Oct 1, 2019 18:48:49 GMT
Alan, JC and Rhino look happy enough together in one of those photos from the convention. Alan smiling. Had Francis been there, his track record suggests that perhaps he could have been the one making 'comments' and at the back and looking dead pan?! Sorry, cheap shot at Francis!
In some respects the reunions were victims of their own success in terms of driving another wedge between Alan and Francis.
For Francis the reunions were just a side step from the usual day job. Away from the drugs, alcohol and general selfishness, perhaps Francis could finally see that Alan had genuinely suffered by what had happened. Though he seemed to very quickly find any ammunition he could muster to denigrate the reunions. It would have been wrong to have said ta ta to Rhino and Andy in the circumstances, but a shame that the FF were not given the opportunity to try a few recording sessions together, but Francis just seemed to want to pull the plug.
Though for Alan and John it was confirmation that they had not been forgotten and the reunions went viral, so to speak. I picked up with the band in terms of gigs in the later 70s and by then Andy was very much part of things. Had been really good to see the FF on stage and can understand why some fans who witnessed gigs in the early and mid 70s would say how different the band sounded on stage.
With the advent of Youtube we can all tune into the past and get our nostalgia fix if we so wish. For me, if there had been a nostalgia element to the reunions it had been more about the fever pitch of the crowd. That kind of atmosphere and audience participation, as such, has been absent in all the gigs I have attended following the post Mk '84 split. Though I didn't see the FF on stage in their heyday, the band in the late 70s and early 80s still had a reputation for pulling in the fans in their droves and to get the crowd to fever pitch in the 2 hour plus gigs, which were something else...incredible.
Francis used to say Rock n Roll was all about letting your hair down and going for it and mistakes being part of the experience! Though he changes his mind like the weather. The gigs over 2 hours in the late 70s and 80s were never perfect or always that tight and immaculate.
In fact Francis used to moan about JC back then, about his keeping time. He used to say that JC would have a glass of beer next him and it would be topped up by a roadie as required but then JC would gradually lose his timing. Don't remember fans complaining too much back then though and don't think many us were expecting everything to be so tight as to kill the live gig experience.
Much worse was to come after the split, when Francis started to mess around and destroy solos etc.
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Post by cammythemortonfan on Oct 1, 2019 19:00:53 GMT
I think i know who you mean... and if it is the same person, they used to absolutely hate Patty and slagged her off at every chance they could up until recently đ Blond wig, looks like wurzel gummidge... Not Patty, the guy, I mean! Patty is a funny one.. Clearly up in arms by Francis's complaints about Rick towards the end... Even though she bemoans the exact same things about Rick in her book she wrote several years ago. Worse, in fact. đ€ Patty's double standards are staggering. Her book not only stuck the boot into Rick, she put the knife in and twisted it. She revealed far far more compared with anything Francis has said. She and Francis both agree that âRickyâ Parfitt was fantastic,âRickâ no so.
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Post by 37 on Oct 1, 2019 19:03:01 GMT
Just wondering if Nuff got on stage with any of the tribute bands and sang Backwater? If he did could somebody post it. Thanks
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Post by Quoincidence on Oct 1, 2019 19:05:49 GMT
Just wondering if Nuff got on stage with any of the tribute bands and sang Backwater? If he did could somebody post it. Thanks He got up with JCQ and did Roadhouse Blues... not sure if he did anything else, but he just sang from the looks of it and seems to be using a cane / walking stick nowadays. His condition must be getting worse, which is a shame!
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Post by matt on Oct 1, 2019 19:17:02 GMT
It is a shame but maybe that explains again why Francis wouldnât commit to another tour. No one needs complication in their life at 65 years old.
Besides, when people say âFrancis could at least have....â with regards the FF they seem to forget that we did get two tours. I donât take that for granted and wish we had a record too. Iâm grateful for what we got.
I do think frame and John have got their shit together and are now enjoying the fruits of a life well lived. Francis seems content with his family and work, John too.
Letâs be fair rick was a serial womaniser and boozer and nuff canât let go of the early 80s by all accounts.
Life goes on Iâm afraid.
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Post by 37 on Oct 1, 2019 19:20:44 GMT
Just wondering if Nuff got on stage with any of the tribute bands and sang Backwater? If he did could somebody post it. Thanks He got up with JCQ and did Roadhouse Blues... not sure if he did anything else, but he just sang from the looks of it and seems to be using a cane / walking stick nowadays. His condition must be getting worse, which is a shame! Cheers mate. Poor Nuff!
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Post by Quoincidence on Oct 1, 2019 19:24:38 GMT
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Post by 37 on Oct 1, 2019 19:32:07 GMT
Thanks mate. JCQ are a fantastic band. Also Mr Bob Young as well!
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Post by gav on Oct 1, 2019 19:38:11 GMT
Unfortunately, the more ill and less mobile Alan becomes, the more bitter he will get, whether he realises it or not. That's quite a burden to carry around.
He seemed to be musically active, or relatively prolific up until the mid to late 90's. Then i think the next time we saw him play live was at the Bon Scott memorial gig nearly 10 years ago now - correct me if i'm wrong.
So there is a lengthy gap from just before the turn of the century. Maybe he was doing other stuff more behind the scenes, maybe that was the beginning of the decline in his health, as he appeared to have lost a lot of weight by the time of the Bon Scott gig.
It's sad to see the decline in him since last year's Minehead gig. Maybe he can still play bass a bit but didn't consider it worth the money having it flown over.
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Post by fretbuzzzzz on Oct 1, 2019 19:49:46 GMT
It is a shame but maybe that explains again why Francis wouldnât commit to another tour. No one needs complication in their life at 65 years old. Besides, when people say âFrancis could at least have....â with regards the FF they seem to forget that we did get two tours. I donât take that for granted and wish we had a record too. Iâm grateful for what we got. I do think frame and John have got their shit together and are now enjoying the fruits of a life well lived. Francis seems content with his family and work, John too. Letâs be fair rick was a serial womaniser and boozer and nuff canât let go of the early 80s by all accounts. Life goes on Iâm afraid. Good points Matt. One tour would have been enough for me personally and the 2nd a surprise and appreciated the chance to hear tracks such as April Spring Summer etc that I didn't think I would ever hear, let alone by the original FF band. I think it would have been interesting to wrap it all with an EP or stretching maybe to an album, had all concerned been on board. There is talk of Alan being too easy with dodgy comments and also comments by others close to the band, but for me Francis will always be the worse offender, under the guise of being 'honest'. Think it had a been a shame that he hadn't just gracefully stepped back and allowed the reunions to stand as a tribute to them and to the fans who have stuck with them through the years. Though of course that is wishful thinking as he talks too much and did all he could to belittle the whole experience. He made the fans look like weepy eyed nostalgia freaks with limited musical appreciation with his comments to the media. Ironically making reunion fans seem lame brained for not hearing or seeing what he thought he had been hearing and seeing!
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Post by matt on Oct 1, 2019 20:38:30 GMT
I agree with that. The Reunion wasnât about nostalgia, it was about authenticity.
Looking back Francis was on a downer at the end of the second reunion and the years immediately following. That could well have affected his appraisal of things.
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Oct 1, 2019 20:49:45 GMT
Whilst the issues with Alan were part of the problem with the reunion. In his book Francis says that after the gigs everyone hit the bar and that's something he no longer does.
I get this as he is a recovering addict he does not want to fall into the trap of drinking again as he knows it may lead him back to try coke again and hes not going there.
Rick on the other hand embraced the after partys and really should not have done so as his health was getting worse. I think this was another reason why Francis did not want it to go any further.
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